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Jill Stanek: When Obama chose his church over his state
WorldNetDaily ^ | 1/17/07 | Jill Stanek

Posted on 01/17/2007 2:10:07 PM PST by wagglebee

The fix may have been in on Barack Obama's opposition as state senator to Illinois' Born Alive Infant Protection Act, aka support of infanticide.

I've always wondered what compelled Obama not to just vote against Born Alive but attempt single-handedly to thwart its passage, not once, not twice, but three times.

In 2001 and 2002, Obama was the lone senator speaking against Born Alive on the Senate floor. In 2003, Obama killed the bill altogether by burying it alive in a committee he chaired.

I asked former state Sen. Patrick O'Malley why he thought Obama went so far. O'Malley introduced Born Alive and served with Obama on the Judiciary Committee both years the bill was argued there.

"I think he was internally struggling with it," said O'Malley. "His dilemma was obvious. On one hand he holds himself out to be a constitutional scholar, and, of course, our Constitution makes clear that persons born are entitled to all the rights and privileges of full citizens. He consistently characterized the issue before us as being about abortion, but the legislation had nothing to do with Roe v. Wade. It focused on persons born alive. It was so easy to be on the right side of the angels here, but he wasn't."

He was on the wrong side of politics, too. By the third time Obama tried to snuff Born Alive, he was running for the U.S. Senate. The federal version had passed the year before unanimously in the Senate and almost unanimously in the House. Even NARAL went neutral. Pro-aborts agreed to let it pass without a fight lest they appear extreme.

Except Obama. He decided to battle alone further left than any other senator – Boxer, Clinton, Kennedy, Kerry, et al. Risky. Odd.

I might have agreed with O'Malley that Obama fought his internal battle externally, realizing to accept preterm live aborted babies as legal persons weakened his private justification of abortion.

But something in this scenario smelled. The first Mayor Daley once said, "There is nothing so wholesome as a fish," which was his way of defending Chicago politicians, who always smell fishy. Obama is one.

So with the new information out about Obama these days, I re-examined the evidence and found some interesting facts:

So, which explanation makes more sense, that the fire rose in Obama's belly to fight for what he nobly but foolishly thought was the sacred right to infanticide, that he decided, by golly, this was why he was elected, and even if he stood alone, looking like a left-wing extremist, he was going to protect that right?

Or that Advocate got to Obama through its UCC contacts?

Am I inferring faith has no place in legislative decision-making? No. To assert laws should be written, passed or failed in a moral vacuum is to assert the impossible, since laws are expressions of morality.

No, the question Obama must answer is whether his church or Advocate influenced him. Obama has a shady history. Was there quid pro quo?

Advocate recently fell from grace with Obama, Wright and TUCC. They believe Advocate is ignoring their community's poor.

I'm surprised they are surprised Advocate might be mistreating the least of these.

I also think they have a lot of nerve.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; barackobama; moralabsolutes; obama; prolife
And this is the guy that the left wants to hold out as a moderate and a "uniter."
1 posted on 01/17/2007 2:10:09 PM PST by wagglebee
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To: cgk; Coleus; cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback; narses; 8mmMauser

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2 posted on 01/17/2007 2:10:52 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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3 posted on 01/17/2007 2:11:36 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

FNC just reported that Barack Hussein Obama is a smoker!!!!

Oh, and there's a thread on FR today with his voting record. He voted against medical care for babies that survive abortion. Nice, huh? Sounds moderate to me. /sarcasm


4 posted on 01/17/2007 2:13:00 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: wagglebee
One Advocate property is Christ Hospital, where in 1999 I discovered babies were being aborted alive

In Christ Hospital? That is so profoundly wrong and disturbing, I struggle to even read it let alone contemplate it.

5 posted on 01/17/2007 2:16:01 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Peach

This editorial deals with him voting AGAINST protecting babies who are born alive.

Not only is he a smoker, but he used cocaine.


6 posted on 01/17/2007 2:17:18 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: JCEccles

Don't let the name fool you. The hospital is run by the United Church of Christ, a liberal Protestant denomination.


7 posted on 01/17/2007 2:17:35 PM PST by Kuksool (I learned more about political science on FR than in college)
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To: wagglebee

"When Obama chose his church over his state"

Aren't Muslim's opposed to abortion, except when the mother's life is at risk, or she's Jewish? /sarc


8 posted on 01/17/2007 2:18:10 PM PST by Spok
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To: wagglebee

Help stop Osama Obama! America doesn't need another Hussein.


9 posted on 01/17/2007 2:18:18 PM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: wagglebee

But these don't matter at all to Rick Warren. The Purpose Driven Pastor praised Obama's personal character on CNN. He said Obama would make a great President.


10 posted on 01/17/2007 2:19:30 PM PST by Kuksool (I learned more about political science on FR than in college)
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To: JCEccles

They also run Bethany, Good Samaritan, Good Shepherd, Lutheran General and Trinity hospitals in the Chicago area.


11 posted on 01/17/2007 2:21:12 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Illinois -- Land of Obama)
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To: Kuksool

It didn't fool me. It horrified me.


12 posted on 01/17/2007 2:21:53 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Peach; Gabz
Obama commits the greatest sin of the left -- smoking??? Where are the photos....why hasn't Hillary jumped on this yet? LOL -what a conundrum for the dems.
13 posted on 01/17/2007 2:21:57 PM PST by tioga
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To: wagglebee
From the Trinity United Church website:

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

Commitment to God
Commitment to the Black Community
Commitment to the Black Family
Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

To appreciate the racism in these precepts, substitute the word "white" for "black."

And the Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness" is kind of an interesting concept.

14 posted on 01/17/2007 2:22:16 PM PST by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: tioga
Where are the photos....why hasn't Hillary jumped on this yet?

Because there are photos out there of Chelsea smoking. Smoking is one of those things that the left frowns on publicly but will do privately.

15 posted on 01/17/2007 2:23:31 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
Oh, my.

From "suffer the children" to "let the children suffer." Murder of the innocents carried out in the name of Jesus Christ. Unspeakably appalling.

16 posted on 01/17/2007 2:24:04 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: wagglebee

Isn't that what I said? That Obama Hussein voted against providing medical care abortions where the baby lives? I could swear that's what I said.


17 posted on 01/17/2007 2:24:12 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: wagglebee

Someone very close to me works for Advocate and they are an unpstanding company, and very generous in the community, and Ive never heard of the companies stance on abortion, the people I know their are pro-life.


18 posted on 01/17/2007 2:26:00 PM PST by ChiTownBearFan ("To see the world is to love America all the more"-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Peach

It is, I just misread what you wrote.


19 posted on 01/17/2007 2:27:22 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Okay; I was thinking I must be missing something.


20 posted on 01/17/2007 2:29:18 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: wagglebee
"Obama killed the bill altogether by burying it alive in a committee he chaired."

How apropos.

21 posted on 01/17/2007 2:29:35 PM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: Peach
FNC just reported that Barack Hussein Obama is a smoker!!!!

I have this funny feeling that being a smoker will give Obama more problems then the fact he did coke.

And smoking is the legal one of the two.

22 posted on 01/17/2007 2:31:56 PM PST by Domandred
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To: wagglebee
Not only is he a smoker, but he used cocaine.

That's scary. We just went thru 8 years of another president who did illegal drugs.

23 posted on 01/17/2007 2:33:11 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: wagglebee
"Not only is he a smoker, but he used cocaine."

Yep. And thus endeth the lesson. And he's the only one that doesn't know that yet.

24 posted on 01/17/2007 2:37:15 PM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: JCEccles

There used to be a conservative website called Illinois Leader, and I believe it was Jill Stanek who wrote an article there a year or so ago about the situation at Christ Hospital. Her description of the death of one little boy -- born alive after an attempted abortion-- just tears your heart out.

The Obama connection aside -- this only goes to show that the UCC and the ELCA --because of what their administrators allow at Advocate facilities --are up to their necks in the abortion racket and, to the extent that they do not provide medical attention to some children who survive abortions -- they are up to their necks in infanticide.


25 posted on 01/17/2007 2:42:49 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Illinois -- Land of Obama)
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To: wagglebee
"Because there are photos out there of Chelsea smoking. Smoking is one of those things that the left frowns on publicly but will do privately."

It's akin to the 'soft' racism of the left -- as opposed to their 'hard' racism through abortion and eugenics.

There's nothing quite so enlightening like waiting in line to pick up dry cleaning in Manhattan and watching the two homosexuals in front of you slander the (perfectionist, humble, and reasonably-priced) Asian launderer by making fun of him -- their index fingers extending eyes into a ridiculously dated stereotype -- when he dashes to the back to get their 'prom' dresses.

26 posted on 01/17/2007 2:45:16 PM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: Peach

I was listening to WLSAM this afternoon and they were having fits about Obama smoking.

Then a bunch of callers called and said they think Obama is the AntiChrist.

Freaks.


27 posted on 01/17/2007 3:47:08 PM PST by JRochelle
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To: wagglebee
Wow, with a church like that you don't need to worry about repentance.
28 posted on 01/17/2007 5:04:30 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: JRochelle

That's what will actually help Obama - for radical conservatives to start talking like that! Ridiculous and I'm glad you recognize it.


29 posted on 01/17/2007 7:04:21 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Kuksool
But these don't matter at all to Rick Warren. The Purpose Driven Pastor praised Obama's personal character on CNN. He said Obama would make a great President.

I'm seriously considering doing something to my copy of "Purpose Driven Life".

Like burning it.

30 posted on 01/17/2007 7:57:38 PM PST by KStorm (They're waiting for a show of weakness. And I'm not talkin' about terrorists.)
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To: wagglebee
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


31 posted on 01/18/2007 3:11:49 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

I just cringe. Please remember there are some of us Lutherans that are not part of the ELCA and still hold to sound biblical teaching.


32 posted on 01/18/2007 5:24:50 AM PST by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: wagglebee

And let's not forget that Rick Warren is in bed with this guy.


33 posted on 01/18/2007 5:33:58 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: JCEccles
One Advocate property is Christ Hospital, where in 1999 I discovered babies were being aborted alive In Christ Hospital?

That is so profoundly wrong and disturbing, I struggle to even read it let alone contemplate it.

Sickening isn't it? I grew up about one mile down the road from Christ Hospital which was called Christ Community Hospital, back in the day, in Oak Lawn, IL.

34 posted on 01/18/2007 5:55:49 AM PST by One_American
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To: wagglebee
Obama has been a member of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago since 1988

I once went to a UCC service.

* My wife and I were the only ones with Bibles;

* The female preacher read a selection of scripture, omitting portions of verses, and thereby formulating a message that was clearly contrary to what the passage actually taught;

* Another female "minister" representing the national UCC headquarters, spoke about how it was important for members to give more money so the national organization would be better equipped to LOBBY for their POLITICAL agenda;

* After all this, the male preacher commenced the service, opening with a prayer to their "father/mother god";

In the words of that famous maritime philosopher, Popeye, "Thats' alls I can stand; I can't stands no more!" We walked out.

The UCC is not a Christian organization.

Far from it! It is a social/political/religious group that allows wacko leftists to feel like they are spiritual without being challenged to conform to God's will.

It allows them to present their leftist views, seemingly from within the confines of "religious America". Sort of like operating behind enemy lines.

It allows them to collect vast sums of money, skirting the tax system, and using it to promote their far left political agenda cloaked as religion.

I concede they are religious - everyone is - but they do not worship the God of the Bible.

35 posted on 01/18/2007 7:29:39 AM PST by pjr12345
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To: pjr12345

My sense from the few UCC members who I have known is that it is very similar to a "new age" group and bears little resemblance to the services that Catholics or traditional Protestants are accustomed to.

Now, I personally have no problem with a bunch of people who want to get together and discuss spiritual issues, JUST DON'T CALL IT A CHURCH. As far as these wingnut prayers go, the only prayer our Lord gave us start, "Our FATHER" if He had wanted to make God a "gender neutral" term, He would have done so.

Unfortunately, I think this "just feel good about yourself, God loves you and you don't need to change" nonsense is beginning to destroy Christianity. The secularists have already succeeded in making much of society non-religious, now they have set their sights on organized religion. The Episcopalians have seen their denomination destroyed, Lutherans, Methodists and Presbyterians are getting close, Catholics are doing okay in some geographic areas and not as well in others, the Southern Baptists are doing fine but many of the other Baptist denominations are in real trouble.


36 posted on 01/18/2007 7:45:44 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Beckwith

What does it mean to disavow pursuit of "middleclassness"? It sounds as though they want the Blacks to stay on welfare. Or do they mean that the Blacks should surpass the Middleclass?


37 posted on 01/18/2007 7:52:16 AM PST by Eva
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To: wagglebee
Good morning.
"...it is very similar to a "new age" group..."

I think there is less "new age" there and more sneaky old style communism.

Michael Frazier
38 posted on 01/18/2007 8:12:14 AM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville
I think there is less "new age" there and more sneaky old style communism.

I don't think there is a whole lot of difference between the two.

39 posted on 01/18/2007 8:21:09 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

I don't even mind if they call their group a church. I just wish they'd be honest and remove the Christian association.

As far as the destruction of Christianity goes, as a nondenominational Christian, I think the reason for the current decline lies in the inevitable destructiveness that comes with institutionalizing around man-made doctrines and organizational constructs. I don't expect that many on this forum will agree with that, and that's fine. However, I think that we can all agree that many denominational churches are experiencing deterioration and the World is oozing in.

The good news is that, while religious institutions may tumble, the Church of Christ (sans "United") exists forever. Christ's Church is spiritual, and consists of all those He has added to it, from the beginning of time, by way of their faith in the promise and hope available only through God's only begotten Son, Jesus. Since the Church is not earthly by any means, it cannot be destroyed by those rebellious souls living here.

Remember also that New Testament Christianity had no viable presence from about 800 A.D through 1300 A.D. When the seeds of the renaissance were sown through the reformation movement it began to reemerge. And even then, it wasn't until the 1800s that New Testament Christianity really began recommencing.

Uh oh... now I've done it... let me don my helmet, secure my flak jacket, and brace myself for the onslaught!


40 posted on 01/18/2007 8:27:17 AM PST by pjr12345
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To: pjr12345

I totally disagree with the premise of your fourth paragraph. However, I don't think this is really the thread to debate it on.

So, I will leave it alone and suffice to say that we are in substantial agreement that it is secularists (or whatever other term you prefer) from outside Christianity that have infiltrated Christianity and are seeking to destroy it from within.


41 posted on 01/18/2007 8:41:28 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Thank you for focusing on our area of consensus, and not pursuing our obvious disagreement!


42 posted on 01/18/2007 9:58:10 AM PST by pjr12345
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To: Eva
What does it mean to disavow pursuit of "middleclassness"? It sounds as though they want the Blacks to stay on welfare. Or do they mean that the Blacks should surpass the Middleclass?

I had to read that several times. I still couldn't figure out what it means.

Pretty stupid though.
43 posted on 01/18/2007 10:54:54 AM PST by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Beckwith

I googled the term, pursuit of middleclassness, and what I found is disturbing. What Obama believes is the ultimate of moral relativity, and arrogance, they are telling Blacks that they shouldn't strive for the white ideal of middleclass happiness, that they should be happy with the Black culture and way of life. In other words, Black gangsta rap, ebonics, fatherless families, poor education, is all part of the Black culture and it's just as good as the white ideal, so don't strive to be like the whites because the gov't will take care of you.


44 posted on 01/18/2007 7:08:23 PM PST by Eva
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To: gas_dr

this is the article I was telling you about


45 posted on 01/20/2007 8:38:58 PM PST by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: wagglebee

Jill is too much of a Lady to say it, but the truth is democrats like clinton and Obama believe a woman is entitled to a dead baby if she goes to an abortuary. Murder, Inc. must be supported at all cost now. When you realize that that was what the born alive act was meant to expose, it changes the perception and is precisely why the sycophantic media has worked to obfuscate that fact for their beloved democrats.


46 posted on 01/20/2007 8:50:35 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: wagglebee; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...


47 posted on 02/06/2007 9:39:08 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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