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Republicans & Democrats Want To Make Criminals Out of Bloggers
MensNewsDaily.Com ^ | 01/18/07 | Ze'ev Haas

Posted on 01/18/2007 4:50:46 AM PST by roguejew1965

Thomas Paine is turning over in his grave as we speak. Both Republicans and Democrats are looking to squash our Constitutional Freedom to criticize our own government, a G-d given right that patriotic men and women fought and died for.

Section 220 of S. 1, the lobbying reform bill before the Senate, would require grassroots causes, even bloggers, who communicate to 500 or more members of the public on policy matters, to register and report quarterly to Congress, as lobbyists are required.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: ac; censorship; democrat; howtostealanelection; pajamapeoplerule; persecution; republican; rinos; senate; stalinistlaw

1 posted on 01/18/2007 4:50:49 AM PST by roguejew1965
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To: roguejew1965

No more than 499 hits on any given post.


2 posted on 01/18/2007 5:01:24 AM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: wolfcreek

????Huh????


3 posted on 01/18/2007 5:03:07 AM PST by roguejew1965
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To: roguejew1965
No freedom of speech, no freedom. Our great experiment has failed.

America has not only lost it's way, but has wandered so far off the path that it can't see it any more.

4 posted on 01/18/2007 5:04:04 AM PST by EricT. (The Republicans got fired for poor performance. 12 years and that's all they did?!?)
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To: roguejew1965

More lobbyists, is that the solution?


5 posted on 01/18/2007 5:05:25 AM PST by LtdGovt
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To: roguejew1965

Related thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1769328/posts


6 posted on 01/18/2007 5:05:33 AM PST by tiredoflaundry (Where did I park my car????? Oh no!)
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To: roguejew1965; Mo1
“The bill would require reporting of ‘paid efforts to stimulate grassroots lobbying,’ but defines ‘paid’ merely as communications to 500 or more members of the public, with no other qualifiers,” Viguerie said.


Maybe I'm just not getting it but that's not how I read the section in question.

The Section reads in full:

`(18) PAID EFFORTS TO STIMULATE GRASSROOTS LOBBYING-

`(A) IN GENERAL- The term `paid efforts to stimulate grassroots lobbying' means any paid attempt in support of lobbying contacts on behalf of a client to influence the general public or segments thereof to contact one or more covered legislative or executive branch officials (or Congress as a whole) to urge such officials (or Congress) to take specific action with respect to a matter described in section 3(8)(A), except that such term does not include any communications by an entity directed to its members, employees, officers, or shareholders.

That doesn't read to me that any blogger that want to voice his opinion will be subjected to this. It reads to me like if someone PAYS a blogger to post things then the blogger would be required to file.

I'm not trying to defend the bill I just don't think Viguerie has it right and to trying just to scare people.

7 posted on 01/18/2007 5:07:09 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

I'm with you on this one. The language says to me that if a church, club, organization, etc. hires someone to contact the public and urge them to write their congressman, then the reporting requirements apply to the company that was hired, not the organization.

I've posted the language previously (post #38)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1766586/posts
and asked for comments. I've yet to hear from anyone competent that the language applies to the organizations themselves. If it did, I'd get excited about this, but I'm holding fire right now.


8 posted on 01/18/2007 5:16:56 AM PST by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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To: centurion316

I think the NRA has some great points about this though.

http://www.nraila.org/GrassrootsAlerts/read.aspx

It should be stricken.


9 posted on 01/18/2007 5:20:01 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: roguejew1965
Republicans and Democrats are co-consperitors in a scheme to deny we the people our right to gather in town hall meetings on the net? They are exposing the fact that truth is the enemy of both, and they are scurrying for dark corners to hide from the bright light of bloggers, just exactly like cock roaches flee when a light switch is turned on.

Now we know who the sonovabitches are. All of 'em!
10 posted on 01/18/2007 5:23:34 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Only cannibalistic Muslims eat pork, the rest eat the slop puked up by the dying pigs.)
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To: OXENinFLA
It reads to me like if someone PAYS a blogger to post things then the blogger would be required to file.

I (the jury) is still out on this one .. because what exactly do they mean by "pays"

Do advertisements or donations fall under that category

Would FR or other blogs be effected if we post phone numbers and address and tell others to write to our congressman??

And most importantly .. how would the "interrupt" the meaning of that law?

11 posted on 01/18/2007 5:26:38 AM PST by Mo1 (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC AND DONATE)
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To: OXENinFLA

The blogs are paid for ad placement. Some of the larger ones work out their own deals, and the smaller ones have ads related to a given topic placed via Google ads. You're looking at the registration of every blog owner with any income. It'll have a chilling effect.


12 posted on 01/18/2007 5:33:50 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: roguejew1965
No worries!
They will treat this law just like immigration. Yes it's a law but they wont enforce it (unless they want to).
13 posted on 01/18/2007 5:33:54 AM PST by txroadhawg ("To compare Congress to drunken sailors is an insult to drunken sailors." Ronald Reagan)
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To: roguejew1965
Same song, different day. Both Dems & Repubs work furiously to increase the power and influence of the federal government, and by doing so inflate their own sense of personal power and self importance. (Saviors all)

Then they pass laws to make sure no one can effectively influence or challenge that ever more centralized power. So what else is new? Its been the same tune for over 70 years and that very slippery slope of federal tyranny is upon us.

But of course, they only want the best for us! If only we would realize how much more enlightened they are that us mere mortals. I guess we'll just have to be corraled, silenced and crushed so they can force us to what they (the enlightend) know is best.
14 posted on 01/18/2007 5:36:18 AM PST by Carbonado
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To: OXENinFLA

grrr .. need more coffee .. lots of coffee

how would the "interrupt" the meaning of that law?


Should be

how would the COURTS "interrupt" the meaning of that law?


15 posted on 01/18/2007 5:42:11 AM PST by Mo1 (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC AND DONATE)
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To: roguejew1965

"who communicate to 500 or more members of the public on policy matters"


Limit the number of hits to under 500 and the law won't apply.


16 posted on 01/18/2007 5:46:09 AM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: Mo1

Let's say a hypothetical FReeper cares passionately about a given issue, takes the time to produce massive amounts of research, and posts a series of threads that end up influencing the course of legislation. It's happened before. It's not a stretch to think that some sorehead would demand that the source be identified, in order to ascertain that this was not paid "lobbying." Would you continue to speak out on such forums and blogs, if there were any likelihood of being tracked down by government functionaries and lawyers? Who would bear the cost of any such investigation?


17 posted on 01/18/2007 5:47:48 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

very good point

that's why I asked .. how would the Court interrupt the meaning of this law if passed

Because to me, it sounds like an infringement of free speech

I'm not a lawyer .. and I think we need some lawyers to weigh in on this argument


18 posted on 01/18/2007 5:52:19 AM PST by Mo1 (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC AND DONATE)
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To: roguejew1965
Obviously, what we don't need is more free speech or political debate in this country.

What we need is more regulations to kill it. McCain-Feingold has not worked nearly well enough!

19 posted on 01/18/2007 5:56:04 AM PST by Gritty (We are on the road to serfdom in American politics with campaign-finance reform - Mike Pence)
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To: roguejew1965
Both dems and pubbies are terrified of an informed population. At first, it seemed that the pubbies sort of liked it, but then they realized, like the rats, that unbridled, accessible information and communication is like fire: If they can't keep it under control, then they just might lose control, and that's something that they just can't have... We're seeing the end of freedom here... McCain/Feingold CFR was just the beginning. Pretty soon, only licenced media outlets will be allowed to disseminate "news," and it will only be the official "news."

Mark

20 posted on 01/18/2007 6:00:49 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: OXENinFLA

".....the general public." The death of a language is taking place. The person who wrote this must know of a private public somewhere if there exists a general public.


21 posted on 01/18/2007 6:09:40 AM PST by em2vn
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To: OXENinFLA

I've seen similar explanations from other groups, but I haven't seen a legal opinion that shares this view. I'd sure like to see one. Perhaps these organizations are just concerned that their lobbying bills will go up, since the lobbying firms will undoubtedly pass on the costs of complaince.


22 posted on 01/18/2007 6:13:25 AM PST by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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To: roguejew1965
SO now in order to exercise or former right to Freedom of Speech we've got to report to congress every quarter?
23 posted on 01/18/2007 6:20:48 AM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" prosecute wars, you get Another Viet Nam)
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To: wolfcreek
"No more than 499 hits on any given post."

FR's not a blog, it's a forum.

24 posted on 01/18/2007 6:21:27 AM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" prosecute wars, you get Another Viet Nam)
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To: F.J. Mitchell
Now we know who the sonovabitches are. All of 'em!

Yep, and this country continues to be lulled into a sleep and won't wake up until the whole damn thing is over.

25 posted on 01/18/2007 6:22:57 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: roguejew1965

Government inevitably tends to become more and more dictatorial over time. Every so often a revolution is needed. The kings and queens have their heads cut off. Then the cycle starts again.
- anononymous political observer


26 posted on 01/18/2007 6:24:54 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: OXENinFLA
"That doesn't read to me that any blogger that want to voice his opinion will be subjected to this. It reads to me like if someone PAYS a blogger to post things then the blogger would be required to file"

Yes, it DOES read that way.

Shame...I was wondering how many thousands, even tens of thousands of bloggers's opinions are read by 500 or more people...they should all report to congress in person. Capital Hill would be a Quagmire. It could be the Mother of all bull$sh!t Storms....

27 posted on 01/18/2007 6:25:50 AM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" prosecute wars, you get Another Viet Nam)
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To: MarkL
Pretty soon, only licenced media outlets will be allowed to disseminate "news," and it will only be the official "news."

Welcome to State run television,like so many communist countries,where nary a word against "The State" can be uttered.

28 posted on 01/18/2007 6:31:13 AM PST by quack
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To: unixfox

That is my greatest fear, unixfox.


29 posted on 01/18/2007 6:35:34 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Only cannibalistic Muslims eat pork, the rest eat the slop puked up by the dying pigs.)
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To: Mo1
how would the Court interrupt

Don't you mean interpret?

30 posted on 01/18/2007 6:38:53 AM PST by webheart
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To: webheart

Ya know .. I need to stop posting in the morning before I've had a pot of coffee

Thank you for catching my error


31 posted on 01/18/2007 6:41:18 AM PST by Mo1 (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC AND DONATE)
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To: All
I'm reading the Katie "give all the jobs to women because we're women" Couric screed on the CBS blog site and it beings up a question: reporters are paid by the networks to march in lockstep with the DNC talking points memo for the purpose of influencing public opinion, so shouldn't ALL paid talking heads on network blogs be considered lobbyists under the pseudo-definition given in this bill?
32 posted on 01/18/2007 6:41:47 AM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" prosecute wars, you get Another Viet Nam)
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To: OXENinFLA; Jim Robinson

Let's see . . .

FReeRepublic has a fundraiser 4 times a year.

FReeRepublic reaches over 500 people with just about every thread.

Would FReeRepublic have to register? Or, only the FReepers that donate???


33 posted on 01/18/2007 6:43:54 AM PST by Petruchio (* Censored *)
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To: Petruchio

My column is read by 5,000 subscribers to the paper and I don't know how many on-line. Do I have to register?


34 posted on 01/18/2007 6:51:30 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: All
And I will tell this...They HAVE A REASON to be afraid, cause when people can communicate and compare notes, these damn politicians - This Club - knows we are finally up to what they do, so they must have us shut up somehow. Last night I heard somewhere that even ex-politicians who have been expelled for wrong doing, are getting around $80,000 pensions a year? Not sure, but it could not be a month, could i?

These jerk are not going to convince me they are in Congress or Senate JUST out of altruism... They are there because it is good them and because it is fantastic job to have if you can stay there!... They don't fool me for a second.

35 posted on 01/18/2007 6:53:06 AM PST by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends - basically :) - despite our differences)
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To: roguejew1965
I address thousands here every day and I'm not going to register. My freedom of speech does not require Washington's advance permission.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

36 posted on 01/18/2007 7:48:10 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: wolfcreek

"No more than 499 hits on any given post."

The FReepers who complain about multiple threads are gonna have a fit.


37 posted on 01/18/2007 9:41:40 AM PST by weegee (The Left is worried that '24' will have the same effect as LBJ's 'Daisy' mushroom ad.)
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To: EricT.

Socialists did it to us. We beat the USSR but lost the war.


38 posted on 01/18/2007 9:42:19 AM PST by weegee (The Left is worried that '24' will have the same effect as LBJ's 'Daisy' mushroom ad.)
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To: Petruchio

What about the bloggers and FReepers who do not live in the United States?

Move On. Org got donations for foreign citizens who are not permitted to vote in our elections.


39 posted on 01/18/2007 9:44:02 AM PST by weegee (The Left is worried that '24' will have the same effect as LBJ's 'Daisy' mushroom ad.)
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To: OXENinFLA
That doesn't read to me that any blogger that want to voice his opinion will be subjected to this. It reads to me like if someone PAYS a blogger to post things then the blogger would be required to file.

Part A was McCain-Feingold. Part B is this. Part C will cover us all as lobbyists for/against a cause or person--unless Congress stops passing incumbent protection legislation by curbing free political speech (while providing exemptions for the MSM).

.

40 posted on 01/18/2007 9:49:03 AM PST by OESY
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To: roguejew1965

They'll have to take the mouse from my cold, dead hand.


41 posted on 01/18/2007 12:15:11 PM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: wolfcreek

"I am not getting paid for this post and I, being the sole creator of this post, authorize only ONE person to read it".


42 posted on 01/18/2007 12:40:31 PM PST by Eighth Square
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To: Eighth Square

Screw Congress! It won't be the first time I've been pushed the edge of criminality


43 posted on 01/18/2007 12:49:18 PM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: quack

Welcome back to the age of secret identities, noms de guerre, and secret meetings or sites. This will create a backlash.


44 posted on 01/18/2007 12:51:22 PM PST by coydog (Cowardice does not make you safe. It makes you a safe target. - - Dale Amon)
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