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Defeatists On Free Republic Who Are Giving Aid and Comfort to the Enemy
January 18 2007 | jveritas

Posted on 01/18/2007 7:50:55 AM PST by jveritas

The most lasting tragedy of the Vietnam War is that it has legitimized “giving aid and comfort to the enemy”. We are seeing the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy running wild in this war on terror and sadly not only among liberals and their media but also among some conservatives who some of them are right here on this great Free Republic.

When Al Qaeda terrorists, or the terrorist regimes in Iran and Syria, or the Iraqi insurgent terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia hear the speeches of defeatism coming from liberals and their media, or unfortunately coming from some conservatives who some of them are right here on Free Republic, will they feel comforted and aided by these speeches? Of course they will be comforted, and they will be embolden to fight more and more, kill more and more, destroy more and more, because they realize that many Americans do not have the will to fight a long and hard war.

Defeatism and providing aid and comfort to the enemy was something that we expected from liberals and their media because their hate to President Bush and the Republican Party is hundred of times more than their hate to the terrorists. However it is really sad that some conservatives and some members on this great forum are doing their share in providing aid and comfort to the enemy through their defeatist attitude.

Do the defeatists want to amend the Constitution so we will have the following? Stop the war and leave if we lose more than one thousand troops, or stop the war and leave if it lasts more than one year, or stop the war and leave if it costs more than 50 billions dollars, whichever comes first. Do they want to do this?

The defeatists who argue that Iraq is not part of the war on terror but rather it is just a civil war between Sunnis and Shia are wrong and naive beyond belief. Iraq is most definitely the central and most important front in the war on terror. It is in Iraq where Al Qaeda and their local Iraqi allies decided to fight the US. It is in Iraq where the islamic terrorists from all over the world are pouring in to fight the Americans. It is in Iraq where the terrorist regimes of Iran and Syria and their local Iraqi allies want to defeat the US so they can have total control of the Middle East. Since the terrorists are all over the world, then the best way to fight them is to attract them to one place to kill them. Whether it was planned or not, Iraq turned out to be the magnet that has been attracting the terrorists from all over the world, and that is the ultimate way to fight the war on terror and to kill as many terrorists as we can.

Every defeatist who is giving aid and comfort to the enemy should ask himself or herself this question: What will happen if we leave Iraq before we achieve complete victory? The First thing that will happen is that the enemy will be embolden beyond belief and the terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia, whether they are Al Qaeda, or Iran or Syria, will be given the ultimate victory that will embolden them thousands more time then when they were emboldened when the US left Beirut after the Marines barracks terrorist attack in 1983, or when the US left Somalia in 1993 after the terrorist killed 19 troops, or when no reprisal happened against the terrorists when they attacked many American targets through out the Clinton years. If our passiveness to the past terrorist attacks emboldened them in such a way to attack us on 9/11, think about what they can do to us if we give and leave Iraq and thus handle them the ultimate victory that they have been dreaming about for decades.

The defeatists must understand that if few terrorists sitting in a cave in Afghanistan with a small budget and few volunteers were able to do the 9/11 terrorist attacks, killed 3000 Americans, and caused over one trillion dollars in economic damages, then the terrorists control of Iraq and of the whole Middle East, and its vast oil resources will allow them to conduct terrorist attacks against us that we cannot imagine even in our worst nightmares. By controlling Iraq and the Middle East the terrorists will have hundreds of billions of dollars under their control that they will use it to attack us everywhere in the world and the US and cause unimaginable death, destruction and economic losses that will make 9/11 terrorist attacks look like a picnic in comparison. They will also use the oil weapon to bring the world economy to a disaster that will be many folds worse than that of the 1929 Depression.

Fellow Free Republic members, we are fighting the most important war since WW II. We are not fighting for the Iraqis in Iraq but we are fighting for ourselves, for our freedom and for our way of life. Let us all support our President and our brave troops because they need our support now more than ever.


TOPICS: War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bush; bushhaterswin; cultureofcorruption; cultureofcutandrun; cutandrunls; defeatism; iraq; iraqbackstabbers; jveritas; lbackstabbers; losertarians; securetheborders; wot
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1 posted on 01/18/2007 7:51:05 AM PST by jveritas
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To: jveritas

Do you have any names?


2 posted on 01/18/2007 7:53:24 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (Tempus Fidget - The time between the final hymn and recessional.)
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To: jveritas

Fell better now that you got it off your chest?


3 posted on 01/18/2007 7:54:13 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: InvisibleChurch

there are some here who post under false intentions...like programmed C-Span(ning for democrats) callers....It is inevidible as we freepers are a force to be reckoned with.


4 posted on 01/18/2007 7:55:40 AM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: jveritas

It needed to be said. Dittos.


5 posted on 01/18/2007 7:56:12 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: jveritas

Just a question? Do you think some people are really "deaftist" and want to cut and run like Chuck Hagel? Or are more just disgusted because we are tired of see us put the gloves on to later take them off and we just want to win wars the way they are supposed to be won?


6 posted on 01/18/2007 7:56:26 AM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: InvisibleChurch

I don't think we have to call names. Those who are matching that description will hopefully read this and rethink their position.


7 posted on 01/18/2007 7:58:00 AM PST by SolidWood (Sadr lives. Kill him.)
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To: jveritas

From the posts and comments I read here I would say that 90% of those support our troops, support what we are trying to accomplish in Iraq and are not in any way defeatist. I don't pay much attention to the other 10%.


8 posted on 01/18/2007 7:58:31 AM PST by Russ
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To: The South Texan

The alternative for not taking the gloves in a fight is not to completely leave the fight.


9 posted on 01/18/2007 7:59:06 AM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

Dude, we're still a free people and it's okay to debate what our government's policy should be.


10 posted on 01/18/2007 7:59:26 AM PST by Elpasser
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To: jveritas
We are not fighting for the Iraqis in Iraq but we are fighting for ourselves, for our freedom and for our way of life.

Many Americans have no concept of what losing in Iraq will mean to our own comfy lives here in this nation. We must win or face miserable changes and deadly consequences.

11 posted on 01/18/2007 8:00:06 AM PST by Faith
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To: jveritas
Agreed.

We are winning this war. But too many on FR buy what the MSM feeds them.

There are a lot of victories out there. Thank God for the President and our leadership.

12 posted on 01/18/2007 8:00:06 AM PST by what's up
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To: InvisibleChurch

I will not name names but you can easily recognize them from their defeatist posts.


13 posted on 01/18/2007 8:00:19 AM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

ok


14 posted on 01/18/2007 8:01:13 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (Tempus Fidget - The time between the final hymn and recessional.)
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To: Elpasser

What is the line between debate, defeatism, and providing aid and comfort to the enemy through under the cover of "debate"?


15 posted on 01/18/2007 8:02:30 AM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

Can you at least quote them? I'm not aware of any regular here who opposes the President's plan.


16 posted on 01/18/2007 8:02:56 AM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: jveritas; Allegra
For any that do not know, jveritas has translated many of Saddam's pre-war documents that show exactly what he and his regime was up to in the production of WMD and support of terrorists who wanted to strike both Israel and the US. I value his opinion and agree that we must continue to see this through to a successful conclusion.

jveritas home page with list of, and links to, translated documents

17 posted on 01/18/2007 8:03:58 AM PST by CedarDave (Nancy Pelosi - Look alike twin to the Georgia runaway-bride. Now if she would only run away too...)
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placemark


18 posted on 01/18/2007 8:04:57 AM PST by tiredoflaundry (Where did I park my car????? Oh no!)
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To: Faith

Exactly. Many defeatist believe that if we leave Iraq it will be just a civil war where Iraqis will be killing each other, they cannot be possibly more wrong. The consequences of us leaving Iraq before complete victory will be the worst disaster that will inflict our nation and the whole world.


19 posted on 01/18/2007 8:05:08 AM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

As some one who supports victory without qualification I am a little disturbed by your suggestion that we give blanket support for the president. If his plans fail in Iraq like they have so far, we have a duty to point this out and push him to take the kid gloves off of our armed forces and to push for a plan that works. I wonder how many people here who scream at anyone who criticizes the handling of the war thus far would be doing so if Bush had a D after his named. Granted I have been here for just over a year now, but I know of no one here who is a defeatist or cut and runner. Most people I here from here like me want our troops to be able to act like troops and for us to achieve victory.


20 posted on 01/18/2007 8:05:36 AM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: jveritas
or unfortunately coming from some conservatives

The disgruntlement coming from this Conservative does not come from any thing approaching 'defeatism' it comes from the lack of courage of convictions or over concern with PC crap that is preventing us from going after the terrorists in a complete and more total method.

No most conservatives displeased with the WOT are more concerned with doing more, not seeing us defeated.

21 posted on 01/18/2007 8:05:57 AM PST by Michael.SF. (It's time our lawmakers paid more attention to their responsibilities, and less to their privileges.)
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To: Elpasser
Dude, we're still a free people and it's okay to debate what our government's policy should be.

That's very true - but now we are debating our nation's very survival - not just a "government policy" like taxes or Social Security.

How much "debating" about fighting the Nazi's was going on in 1943?

I would be willing to bet not much.

22 posted on 01/18/2007 8:06:09 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Faith

Many Americans have no concept of what losing in Iraq will mean to our own comfy lives here in this nation. We must win or face miserable changes and deadly consequences.

Ok, please define what you mean by "losing." Do you mean military defeat where there is a US surrender and all of our military lay down their weapons? or do you mean the sort of losing that took place in Viet Nam? or something else?

also

based on the answer above, please expand on the scenario that you see happening as a result.


23 posted on 01/18/2007 8:06:16 AM PST by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: jveritas

I agree...everybody now is a damn expert with an instant opinion on who did what wrong ...Its absurd


24 posted on 01/18/2007 8:07:24 AM PST by woofie
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To: jveritas
Sheesh, when I read the title of your post, I thought you were another disgruntled Chargers fan.
25 posted on 01/18/2007 8:07:31 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: advertising guy

exactly. It's to be expected that the premier site for conservative intellectual thought would attract disruptors trying to promote their own treasonous agenda.


26 posted on 01/18/2007 8:08:02 AM PST by balch3
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To: jveritas

Fellow Free Republic members, we are fighting the most important war since WW II. We are not fighting for the Iraqis in Iraq but we are fighting for ourselves, for our freedom and for our way of life. Let us all support our President and our brave troops because they need our support now more than ever.






This paragraph says it all.....I hope people wake up before it's too late!


27 posted on 01/18/2007 8:08:17 AM PST by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero........God Speed Jonathan......)
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To: Russ

I agree with the breakdown of Defeatists versus those who want to fight to the end and achieve complete victory, however the “Defeatists” unfortunately are very loud and they are all over the place.


28 posted on 01/18/2007 8:08:24 AM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

High volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel, WOT

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29 posted on 01/18/2007 8:08:28 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: jveritas

This country needs a version of FR on the airwaves. Then your words might reach their target, only a very few of the target being here on the site. The people we need to convince, and to brace up too, are not here. They're in their homes and in their cars, longing for some protein-rich talk radio and credible news about things that matter.


30 posted on 01/18/2007 8:08:42 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: jveritas
Keep up the good fight jvertas! Thank you for doing your part in translating those documents and also in understanding the broader picture regarding the war in Iraq.

Those who say, "Saddam didn't attack us." simply do not or refuse to understand the nature of the enemy. The enemy is EVERYWHERE. The enemy is "radical" islam and its proponents. There is NO political solution since it is an ideology with very specific goals (which have been told to us repeatedly) that we are fighting.

The "rules of the game" are not the same as in a "normal" war. It is imperitive to understand the rules the enemy plays by and to understand that they have a very different belief system than we do. Their ultimate goal is world domination of Islam and a worldwide Caliphate with under Sharia law. Most people refuse to acknowledge this and until they do winning will be very difficult.

When President Bush stated that this will be a long war and a different war he wasn't kidding. This was IS WWIII and it will not end in our lifetime so long as most people refuse to understand what it is all about.

31 posted on 01/18/2007 8:08:58 AM PST by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: jveritas

It's like Rush always says.. it is human nature to glom on to the negatives of life. It takes alot of hard work to stay positive and be successful. Most Americans have become like spoiled children, unwilling to work hard to get what they want, they just want to kick and scream til they get what they want.
It's not a winning strategy and one that should be politley shoved in every malcontents face here on Free Republic and in our public lives.


32 posted on 01/18/2007 8:09:01 AM PST by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: Elpasser

With the Democrats in control, FREEDOM is rapidly FLEETING!

So, pull you head out of what ever orifice you currently have it, and support this critical point in our history, or else go join the other side. (You may already have.)


33 posted on 01/18/2007 8:09:01 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show someone with bad knees)
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To: Faith

Exactly!

A well-put post.


34 posted on 01/18/2007 8:09:12 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: Tokra

Excellent post.


35 posted on 01/18/2007 8:09:34 AM PST by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: CedarDave

Thanks CedarDave, my translations were just fulfilling my little duty in time of war.


36 posted on 01/18/2007 8:09:57 AM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: spikeytx86
As some one who supports victory without qualification I am a little disturbed by your suggestion that we give blanket support for the president. If his plans fail in Iraq like they have so far, we have a duty to point this out and push him to take the kid gloves off of our armed forces and to push for a plan that works. I wonder how many people here who scream at anyone who criticizes the handling of the war thus far would be doing so if Bush had a D after his name

Bingo.

Winning in Iraq is too important to sit by while Beltway clowns give the circus away. Failure and incompetence have consequences, and they'll affect us all. FR would be a President bashing powerhouse if the war was conducted exactly as it has been so far, but with a D at the helm.

37 posted on 01/18/2007 8:10:05 AM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: Michael.SF.
"No most conservatives displeased with the WOT are more concerned with doing more, not seeing us defeated."

You are correct here. Yesterday, I read where our troops had captured and detained 28 insurgents. My question is "Why did we detain them, why didn't we kill them?"

I don't think anyone here is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Without specific examples, it is nothing but hot air and smoke.

38 posted on 01/18/2007 8:10:13 AM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Well just off the top of my head, Chuck Hagel.


39 posted on 01/18/2007 8:10:14 AM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: jveritas

Thank you. Thank you!


40 posted on 01/18/2007 8:10:59 AM PST by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: Tokra

Agree 100%.


41 posted on 01/18/2007 8:11:13 AM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas
Good Post...Thanks


42 posted on 01/18/2007 8:13:43 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: jveritas; Grampa Dave; M. Espinola; vimto; BIGLOOK
bttt

The defeatists who argue that Iraq is not part of the war on terror but rather it is just a civil war between Sunnis and Shia are wrong and naive beyond belief. Iraq is most definitely the central and most important front in the war on terror.

43 posted on 01/18/2007 8:13:53 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: jveritas

Your screed reads like something out of the McCarthy era.

"Are you now, or have you ever been a defeatist?"

Please!


44 posted on 01/18/2007 8:14:04 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: what's up; jveritas; CedarDave
We are winning this war. But too many on FR buy what the MSM feeds them.

Bingo. You hit the nail on the head right there.

Great post, jveritas.

45 posted on 01/18/2007 8:14:07 AM PST by Allegra (Vote Dulcie / Finbar 2008)
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To: leadpenny

I will get that a 9 out of 10 for rhetorical flourish. No substance.


46 posted on 01/18/2007 8:15:31 AM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: jveritas

I haven't read any of the replies, but if true to form some of them will say the war is being fought incorrectly therefore we should just withdraw.

Don't let another son or daughter die for an incorrectly fought war, they scream.

Many, many "conservatives' justify their defeatism that way. But by their logic, we wouldn't have carried WWII on to victory, because that war was tragically ill-fought, resulting in hundreds of thousands of needless casualties. Because EVERY war is incorrectly fought.

EVERY BLASTED ONE OF 'EM.


47 posted on 01/18/2007 8:15:33 AM PST by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: jrooney

Anytime :)


48 posted on 01/18/2007 8:15:36 AM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: leadpenny
get give that, sorry
49 posted on 01/18/2007 8:16:09 AM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: jveritas

I don't think I've ever come across anyone here on FR who is against the POTUS new plan of more troops and new Rules of Engagement. I'd just add I wish he relaxed ROE 3 years ago!
Let our professionals do what they do best over there.


50 posted on 01/18/2007 8:16:51 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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