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U.S. lawmakers seek to bar U.S. attack on Iran
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Posted on 01/18/2007 11:52:19 AM PST by Sub-Driver

U.S. lawmakers seek to bar U.S. attack on Iran

By Richard Cowan 26 minutes ago

A bipartisan group of lawmakers in the U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday pushed legislation to prohibit a U.S. attack on Iran without Congress' permission.

The effort, led by Rep. Walter Jones (news, bio, voting record), a North Carolina Republican who in 2005 joined calls from many Democrats for a phased U.S. withdrawal from the Iraq war, came as lawmakers voiced concerns that the Bush administration might provoke a confrontation with neighboring Iran.

"The resolution makes crystal clear that no previous resolution passed by Congress" authorizes a U.S. attack on Iran, Jones told reporters, referring to the 2002 vote by Congress authorizing the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

The joint resolution, which would have the force of law if passed by the House and Senate and signed by President George W. Bush, would waive the congressional authorization only if Iran attacked the United States or its armed forces, or if such an attack was "demonstrably" imminent.

So far, Jones' resolution has 11 co-sponsors in the 435-member House.

Rep. Martin Meehan, a Massachusetts Democrat, said he did not trust Iran or its intentions in the Middle East. But he said the resolution on Iran was needed because the Bush administration had "lied so many times" in the run-up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Backers of the legislation said they hoped Democratic leaders in the House would advance their resolution in coming months, possibly as part of Iraq war funding legislation or other Iraq-related measures.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: congress; cultureofsurrender; geopolitics; walterjones

1 posted on 01/18/2007 11:52:23 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

veto bait


2 posted on 01/18/2007 11:54:12 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Sub-Driver

It's 1975 all over again and the this time the bloodbath Congress will cause will be worldwide.


3 posted on 01/18/2007 11:55:58 AM PST by AU72
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To: Sub-Driver
It's things like this that make republics weak in wartime. That's why in times of crisis, most republics throughout history have elected a temporary dictator. George Washington was one for 6 months. Lincoln and FDR were, for all intents and purposes, given near dictatorial power.

We're not at that point yet in the war against radical Islam. But maybe soon, especially if the geniuses in Congress keep giving aid and comfort to the enemy....
4 posted on 01/18/2007 11:56:32 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Yeah, right. The President will sign a bill preventing his own ability to schwack Iran if he see's fit.

ROTFLMAO!


5 posted on 01/18/2007 11:57:58 AM PST by roaddog727 (BullS##t does not get bridges built)
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To: Antoninus

Meanwhile, Tar & Feather futures are up.


6 posted on 01/18/2007 11:59:09 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: Antoninus

Next thing you know congress will pass a resolution stating that Bush has to get Iran's permission to attack


7 posted on 01/18/2007 11:59:36 AM PST by Russ
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To: Russ

Considering who controls Congress, isn't this that?


8 posted on 01/18/2007 12:02:36 PM PST by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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To: Sub-Driver

This bill would certainly be helpful to Iran and the mad mullahs. So it's in Iran's interest.


9 posted on 01/18/2007 12:05:02 PM PST by elhombrelibre (After 9/11, Bush went to war with terrorists and their supporters. Democrats war against him.)
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To: Sub-Driver
would waive the congressional authorization only if Iran attacked the United States or its armed forces,

seems a bit late for this anyway

10 posted on 01/18/2007 12:08:13 PM PST by jjw
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To: Sub-Driver
I doubt seriously it will pass. The Dems have a habit of ignoring joint resolutions that do pass, however, such as THIS ONE. Keep the number Resolution 114 handy for those debates against antiwar folks who insist on the lie "Bush's illegal war."
11 posted on 01/18/2007 12:09:53 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Sub-Driver

Well, I just went and looked and can't find an article that was on Drudge just a week or so ago where Congressional Democrats said a nuclear armed Iran wasn't an option.


12 posted on 01/18/2007 12:11:07 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: ASA Vet

I see a burgeoning market in "drop tables".


13 posted on 01/18/2007 12:12:43 PM PST by pierrem15 (Charles Martel: past and future of France)
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To: Russ
Next thing you know congress will pass a resolution stating that Bush has to get Iran's permission to attack

They're all the enemy.

14 posted on 01/18/2007 12:13:31 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Sub-Driver
A bipartisan group of lawmakers in the U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday pushed legislation to prohibit a U.S. attack on Iran without Congress' permission.

This is why the President should've asked for a state of declared war on 9/12
15 posted on 01/18/2007 12:13:46 PM PST by JamesP81 (If you have to ask permission from Uncle Sam, then it's not a right)
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To: Sub-Driver

North Carolina Republicans owe A LOT more to America than weepy, blubbering, paleopacifist weenie Walter Jones. What a waste of oxygen. Purge this cowardly menace from GOP ranks. If he wants to vote like Dennis Kucinich, he should join Kucinich's Demonratic Party. Likewise to Ron Paul.


16 posted on 01/18/2007 12:13:59 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Sub-Driver
"would waive the congressional authorization only if Iran attacked the United States or its armed forces, or if such an attack was "demonstrably" imminent."

Building nukes and threatening American interest in the region is pretty demonstrable so I guess they're already giving authorization.
17 posted on 01/18/2007 12:15:14 PM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Sub-Driver
When the Iranian surrogates sponsored this bill they obviously didn't understand the separation powers in the Constitution.
18 posted on 01/18/2007 12:24:31 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: Sub-Driver
I'm winging it here, but isn't there that little thing called the War Powers Act? I seem to recall Willard using it - then abusing it - in his little Balkan War (Bill & Maddy's Excellent Adventure).

If memory serves he had 30 days to do whatever the hell he wanted, then had to get Congress' approval - but he didn't. He ignored Congress for about 60 days. However since is was controlled by the RATS not much was said about that little abuse of executive power. Except by some Republicans but they where told to shut up and sit down, so they did.

So this Iran thing wouldn't be much more that blowing smoke.

19 posted on 01/18/2007 12:26:09 PM PST by Condor51 (The demoncRATs don't want another 'Vietnam' - they want another Dien Bien Phu.)
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To: Condor51
"I'm winging it here, but isn't there that little thing called the War Powers Act?"

The war powers act has been declared unconstitutional by most legal scholars who have studied it. Therefore, Congress has never pushed it or tried to test it in Court.

20 posted on 01/18/2007 12:30:17 PM PST by joebuck
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To: Sub-Driver
legislation to prohibit a U.S. attack on Iran without Congress' permission

Isn't already law that only congress can declare war?

21 posted on 01/18/2007 12:32:24 PM PST by bird4four4 (Behead those who suggest Islam is violent!)
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To: JamesP81
This is why the President should've asked for a state of declared war on 9/12

I agree 100%.
22 posted on 01/18/2007 12:32:55 PM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: bird4four4

Members of the congress have never read anything out of the Constitution in their lives and they have the dumbest lawyers on earth because the good ones know they make more money in private practice so it's no wonder why they come off looking impotent on every issue.


23 posted on 01/18/2007 12:40:31 PM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Iran says on a daily basis that they will develop nuclear weapons and wipe out America and Israel. Imagonnajihad just came from the South American conference entitled "The world without America". I guess they want us to wait until a US city is a smoking ruin before reacting. 'Course that is their view on individual self defense.


24 posted on 01/18/2007 12:41:50 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: AU72

Liberals wouldn't do anything if the Iranians were attacking us except run and hide in their private bunkers.


25 posted on 01/18/2007 12:54:17 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Sub-Driver

Nuts. This just liberal show to play to their base. They cannot stop the President from exercising his powers. If the President decides to attack Iran, we will attack Iran.


26 posted on 01/18/2007 12:56:25 PM PST by SolidWood (Sadr lives. Kill him.)
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To: Russ

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!
Let's just surrender to the Muslims!

NOT!!!!!!!


27 posted on 01/18/2007 12:57:21 PM PST by combat mailman (Without humor there is only Death to look forward to.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Well, they better hurry up! ;)


28 posted on 01/18/2007 12:58:21 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: JamesP81

Do you think Congress would have given specific permission to wage war on Iran on 9/12/2001? I don't.


29 posted on 01/18/2007 12:59:18 PM PST by michaelt
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To: joebuck
***The war powers act has been declared unconstitutional by most legal scholars who have studied it. Therefore, Congress has never pushed it or tried to test it in Court.***

I was being somewhat facetious with my 'winging it' comment. I wasn't sure as to the time durations covered.

As to your other comments, I can't respond in detail now. But in short, all reference info I have is contradictory.

No offense, gotta run.

30 posted on 01/18/2007 1:02:07 PM PST by Condor51 (The demoncRATs don't want another 'Vietnam' - they want another Dien Bien Phu.)
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To: Sub-Driver

31 posted on 01/18/2007 1:22:27 PM PST by Gritty (Now that Democrats have won the House, they can concentrate on losing the war - Ann Coulter)
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To: Sub-Driver
I know many members of Congress are functional idiots. That's not a detriment in politics, but... as far as I know the clear separation of powers can not eliminate the powers and privileges of the Executuve Branch.

The only way I know thay anyone, including Congress, can change that is through a Constitutional Amendment.

32 posted on 01/18/2007 1:24:46 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: joebuck
The war powers act has been declared unconstitutional by most legal scholars who have studied it. Therefore, Congress has never pushed it or tried to test it in Court.

Trouble is, "most legal scholars", real or imagined, do not have the power to make that determination.

33 posted on 01/18/2007 1:27:48 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Sub-Driver

If Ronald Reagan did the Operation El Dorado Canyon, yes George W. Bush can also order the USAF B-2's to demolish Iran's nuke sites, if he thinks it is necessary. The President of the United States has the power to wage war. The Congress has the only power to declare war, but what can be delcared if W already start another war front? It's the he War Powers Resolution Section 2 and Join Resolution passed on Sept. 14, 2001.


34 posted on 01/18/2007 1:31:44 PM PST by wannabegeek
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To: Sub-Driver

The ultimate power here is the power of the purse. While a President might be able to argue that he or she has a constitutional right to undertake military action without congressional approval under certain circumstances, it's absolutely clear under the constitution that have no ability to appropriate money to pay for it.


35 posted on 01/18/2007 1:36:03 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

"The ultimate power here is the power of the purse."


I'll gladly chip in for the jet fuel......We already have the bombs.


36 posted on 01/18/2007 2:20:01 PM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: AU72

Fine. Bring it on. Imminentize the eschaton.


37 posted on 01/18/2007 2:21:56 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx.")
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To: Sub-Driver
waive the congressional authorization only if Iran attacked the United States or its armed forces, or if such an attack was "demonstrably" imminent

Does this mean that they could nuke Jerusalem and the waiver would not kick in? Is there really no language in there covering allies?

38 posted on 01/18/2007 2:24:38 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx.")
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To: Antoninus

War against whom?


39 posted on 01/18/2007 2:26:55 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx.")
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To: Publius6961
I know many members of Congress are functional idiots.

They also have no hearts and they have no souls. They don't care about the things they vote on. It's all facade. Empty suits is right.

40 posted on 01/18/2007 2:29:10 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx.")
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To: ichabod1

bttt


41 posted on 01/18/2007 2:30:40 PM PST by txhurl (RINOS- Endanger them NOW)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

That's when you have to arrange funding creatively -- like selling weapons to groups fighting our enemies and then using the money to attack Iran. Or something like that. Kinda of a Contra-Iran-Contra Affair.


42 posted on 01/18/2007 2:31:26 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx.")
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