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Methodist ministers launch anti-Bush library petition
Dallas Morning News ^ | 1/18/2007 | HOLLY K. HACKER

Posted on 01/18/2007 12:27:36 PM PST by LA Woman3

A group of Methodist ministers has begun a national petition drive asking Southern Methodist University to remove itself from negotiations to get the George W. Bush presidential library.

"As United Methodists, we believe that the linking of his presidency with a university bearing the Methodist name is utterly inappropriate," reads the petition, which is posted online at ProtectSMU.org.

"Because SMU is owned by the United Methodist Church, the imposition of a George W. Bush library, museum and think tank at SMU will irreparably connect the denomination with this presidency,” said Rev. Andrew J. Weaver, a petition organizer in Brooklyn, N.Y. and 1978 graduate of SMU’s Perkins School of Theology. “Members of the UMC, therefore, should be able to express their opinion on this matter before a final decision is reached.”

Campus officials said that the petition organizers have a right to express their opinions, but they don’t believe the sentiment is widespread.

“It’s not the least bit surprising there would be views from some segment of the movement, as large as it is, that would not want to see the library, museum and institute come to SMU,” said Brad Cheves, a university vice president. “However, we continue to believe that a vast majority of the Methodist and the university community support SMU’s efforts.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: bds; bush; communism; fauxchristians; library; methodist; methodists; ncc; presidentiallibrary; religiousleft; smu
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1 posted on 01/18/2007 12:27:40 PM PST by LA Woman3
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To: LA Woman3

What a bunch of self important pukeheads.


2 posted on 01/18/2007 12:29:28 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: LA Woman3

Methodists turning Stalinist too, it looks like.


3 posted on 01/18/2007 12:29:37 PM PST by unkus
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To: LA Woman3

The Fidel Castro Memorial Library is more apropos for these "ministers."


4 posted on 01/18/2007 12:31:50 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: LA Woman3

I'm sure the University of Central Florida will take it. Where do we apply?


5 posted on 01/18/2007 12:32:55 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: LA Woman3

Well, the Methodists do seem to be the most liberal church. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.


6 posted on 01/18/2007 12:33:32 PM PST by USMCWife6869
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To: LA Woman3

SMU is tainted by the NCAA football "death penalty" if I recall. They were caught recruiting religiously.


7 posted on 01/18/2007 12:34:28 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: LA Woman3

Lots of commies in the upper reaches of the Methodist church. Most methodists are unaware of the far-left leanings of their top brass.


8 posted on 01/18/2007 12:34:45 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: LA Woman3
The three Methodist churches here in Huntsville are very left wing.
9 posted on 01/18/2007 12:35:06 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: Peach
The Alumni Association needs to hear from Alumni. I have contacted my Alumni Association and freaked them out.
10 posted on 01/18/2007 12:35:11 PM PST by unkus
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To: LA Woman3

The Methodist Church....

...where politicians and liberals go to pretend to be Christians.


11 posted on 01/18/2007 12:35:43 PM PST by Dreagon
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To: unkus

Good for you! They need to hear from their members, imo. Their conduct in this matter is shameful.


12 posted on 01/18/2007 12:36:05 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: unkus

If you ever get a chance, take a look at the Methodistas Book of Resolutions for 2004.. It's a little look into the cream that rose to the top of that church.
It reads like the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital with a smattering of scripture to cover up their hatred of Bush and anything Republican. They should have ended the thing with "workers of the world, UNITE!!"


13 posted on 01/18/2007 12:37:19 PM PST by newnhdad
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To: LA Woman3

Being illiterate, what use would they have of a presidential library, or even of a common one?


14 posted on 01/18/2007 12:37:52 PM PST by GSlob
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To: LA Woman3

Was SMU in the lead? Were they even a serious contender?


15 posted on 01/18/2007 12:38:05 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: unkus
Methodists turning Stalinist too, it looks like.

The Methodists fell off the bandwagon a long time ago.

16 posted on 01/18/2007 12:38:18 PM PST by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: ozzymandus

And my Mom asks why I don't go to church anymore. Maybe it was our dike minister that put me over the edge, but it was really their stance on gun control.


17 posted on 01/18/2007 12:38:58 PM PST by CollegeRepublican
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Bush responds to complaints about SMU library plans
18 posted on 01/18/2007 12:41:01 PM PST by LA Woman3
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To: LA Woman3

Sounds about right for them. In similar fashion, the new dean of students at the Methodist School of Theology at Emory University is a woman who brings the great expertise to the job of having a Phd (in political science) and she and her parents have been life-long "civil rights" activists; just what "Christian" theology students need, right?? She just left her job as the head of the national United Methodist Office titled the Women's Division, two years ahead of the four-year+ period they thought she had committed to. Maybe the fact that the United Methodist Women (national organiztion of local church women which supplies the bulk of the $$$ backing the Women's Division) saw its membership go to zero in over 750 United Methodist churches in the last two years had something to do with it. Is the United Methodist Church Women's Division's loss Emory's gain??? I wonder what the actual theology professors at Emory think.


19 posted on 01/18/2007 12:41:16 PM PST by Wuli
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To: LA Woman3

These are probably the same Methodists who think Fidel Castro is a good guy.


20 posted on 01/18/2007 12:43:37 PM PST by Retired Chemist
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To: Ben Mugged
Was SMU in the lead? Were they even a serious contender?

Yes. They are thought to be favored as Laura Bush graduated from SMU. Baylor and Dallas University were also in the running.
21 posted on 01/18/2007 12:44:54 PM PST by LA Woman3
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To: LA Woman3

HERE HERE! THEY PRETEND TO BE CHRISTIANS UNTIL THEY LEAVE THE CHURCH AND THEN MORPH BACK INTO THEMSELVES.


22 posted on 01/18/2007 12:48:05 PM PST by willie6611
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To: LA Woman3

I would be interested to know if there are any private universities with a specific religios affiliation that have a presidential library, seems like most go to the larger public university of the state.

The problem for Bush is the two major public universities in Texas are already taken with his dad's at Texas A&M and UT with LBJ. I would think he could go with Texas Tech since it's west Texas sorta near Midland/Odessa where he lived for a while. I know they're Methodists though and his wife went to SMU so I understand that choice also.


23 posted on 01/18/2007 12:48:11 PM PST by Nomad817
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To: CollegeRepublican

I'm a methodist, but I haven't been to church since I was 14 and my parents quit making me go to Sunday School. Just imagine trying to tell all the little old ladies and school teachers that their church is run by a bunch of anti-American left-wing nut-jobs.


24 posted on 01/18/2007 12:49:05 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Ben Mugged
SMU likely to host Bush presidential library
25 posted on 01/18/2007 12:49:29 PM PST by LA Woman3
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To: Wuli
This is the part of the Cold War that the Russians won. Check out the old 30s era "Social Affirmation" in the Methodist hymnal. The congregation can read it and proclaim their "COLLECTIVE" guilt. The whole thing is 1st generation Marxism.
26 posted on 01/18/2007 12:50:05 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a Russian AK-47 and a French bikini.)
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To: LA Woman3
I'm waiting for a President who declares his/her "presidential library" will be a virtual one and that he/she will not tap the treasury to build a brick and mortar monument to hold paper copies of millions of pages very few people will ever care to read.
27 posted on 01/18/2007 12:52:03 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Peach
What a bunch of self important pukeheads.

Mainstream Christian churches at their finest.

Hope the university holds firm.

28 posted on 01/18/2007 12:52:50 PM PST by prairiebreeze (I support the troops AND THE MISSION. I do not support Clintoons, RINOS or RATS.)
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To: Nomad817

Texas Tech was one of the Universities that was considered for the Bush Library. I'm not sure why they didn't make the final three.


29 posted on 01/18/2007 12:53:12 PM PST by LA Woman3
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To: Nomad817

SMU needs to understand that the "leadership" of the UMC is totally out of sinc with the people in the pews. Mostly we ignore them, but once in awhile they really need slapping down. SMU will hear from me.


30 posted on 01/18/2007 12:54:10 PM PST by WVNan
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To: prairiebreeze

It's a shame to see ANY church inject itself into the political arena. And it's ruining our churches, imo, and turning people away.

People don't want their churches to get involved in politics; they have enough of that in the workplace and in the 24/7 news cycle.


31 posted on 01/18/2007 12:56:20 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: LA Woman3

The George and Laura Bush are Methodists. I would not be surprised in the least bit if, in 2009, they bolted for AMiA or the Anglican Network along with his parents.


32 posted on 01/18/2007 12:57:09 PM PST by bobjam
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To: Monterrosa-24

"This is the part of the Cold War that the Russians won."

The Russians did not foment this or win it. They didn't need to. Completely American Marxists were the designers and propagators of it; and they still are.

The Methodist "deaconess" program - trains young women as dedicated church volunteers - uses training manuals that are right out of the 1960s/70s Marxist "liberation theology" textbooks.


33 posted on 01/18/2007 12:57:26 PM PST by Wuli
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To: LA Woman3

As par for the course, the Dallas Morning News is giving far too much publicity to these liberal morons.

Every article they print regarding the libary has a big but (not like Hillary's but big)

It's like BUT some people oppose,etc.

If they cared about Dallas, they would be extolling the great advantage of having the library here, but noooooo.

I hate that paper.


34 posted on 01/18/2007 12:58:50 PM PST by altura
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To: USMCWife6869

My kids went to a Methodist school about 4 years ago...we had an unfortunate incident that I won't get into here (too involved) but it became clear that this particular church was lefty, lefty, lefty...and they lost many families and church members because of it....

At my husband's Episcopal church (Catholic lite)..they have a sign on one wall showing the growth of the church over the years with important historical markers (ie. WWII, Vietnam etc.)

Under the current Iraqi Freedom spot it says "invasion of Iraq" instead....

I think that that palce is a serpent's pit any way (for personal reasons) but that sign PISSED ME OFF...and so far, the hubby hasn't addressed it...it isn't my church so I just take deep breaths on the occasions I have to go there...ugggghhh


35 posted on 01/18/2007 12:59:41 PM PST by hilaryrhymeswithrich (It's all about the swagger......)
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To: Ben Mugged

As I understand it, it's pretty much a done deal that it's going to SMU.


36 posted on 01/18/2007 1:00:20 PM PST by altura
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To: Peach
What a bunch of self important pukeheads.

What you said.

37 posted on 01/18/2007 1:01:40 PM PST by madison10 (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war)
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To: hilaryrhymeswithrich

Episcopal churches. Yeah, around here it pretty much depends on the individual church. Mine is fairly liberal, but conservative enough that I'm not uncomfortable.


38 posted on 01/18/2007 1:02:42 PM PST by altura
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To: prairiebreeze

I don't think you speak for Southern Baptists.


39 posted on 01/18/2007 1:03:09 PM PST by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: LA Woman3

UMHB in Belton TX is waiting for the call. They'll take it in a heartbeat, or less.


40 posted on 01/18/2007 1:04:13 PM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Again I ask, how can one be a liberal and a Christian at the same time.


41 posted on 01/18/2007 1:05:38 PM PST by Kimmers (It's not what you take when you leave this world behind, it's what you leave behind when you go)
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To: Kimmers
"Again I ask, how can one be a liberal and a Christian at the same time."

Semi-Christian social(socialist) club?
42 posted on 01/18/2007 1:21:00 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: MamaB

Nope.


43 posted on 01/18/2007 1:28:42 PM PST by prairiebreeze (I support the troops AND THE MISSION. I do not support Clintoons, RINOS or RATS.)
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To: Peach

The Methodist denomination is pro-choice. There's one close by and would be convenient for us, but we drive to a church in the Wesleyan denomination about 15 min away because it's conservative and pro-life. It was actually difficult finding a Protestant church that's pro-life.


44 posted on 01/18/2007 1:31:27 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I hadn't known that, Dr. Scarpetta. What a shame.

I still think it would behoove churches to stay away from politics altogether, but I guess in today's day and age, it's increasingly difficult and irresistable.


45 posted on 01/18/2007 1:33:18 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

We were members of the Presbyterian USA denomination until we found out that pastors and their families get abortion coverage in their medical plan. (even for partial-birth abortion)

When we decided to leave, we learned that the Methodists, Lutheran, United Church of Christ, etc. all are pro-choice. We have to drive by several churches to get to our Wesleyan church.


46 posted on 01/18/2007 1:38:25 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: LA Woman3

I doubt if John and Charles Wesley would recognize the United Methodist Church as a part of thier vision.


47 posted on 01/18/2007 1:42:23 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I just started last year going to a conservative Anglican church and we love it. A lot of people have left the town's Episcopal church for a variety of reasons and our little congregation has grown substantially. I'm so happy there!

Have to go get ready for dinner out. Bbl


48 posted on 01/18/2007 1:45:32 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: LA Woman3

Rough week for me as a member of the UMC.

First, I learned of the UMC amicus brief in the Webster case.

Next, I learned that the UMC is a member of the pro-abotion group "Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice."

Now this.

I'm at an utter loss for words.


49 posted on 01/18/2007 1:45:39 PM PST by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: Peach
I just started last year going to a conservative Anglican church and we love it.

We don't have one around here.

50 posted on 01/18/2007 1:48:24 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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