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Romney vs. Romney (are you sure this guy is a Republican?)
Boston Globe ^ | 19 Jan. 2007 | Scot Lehigh

Posted on 01/19/2007 8:39:00 AM PST by RKV

LADIES AND gentlemen, welcome to the first virtual debate of the new political season, a mock matchup to help take the true measure of two men locked in ideological conflict.

Our first candidate is Mitt Romney.

Candidate number two? Why, that's Mitt Romney as well. ...

A note on the proceedings: While our forum is fanciful, the words in quotation marks are real.

Let's begin.

...

Please give us your views on gun control.

MM: I supported the Brady Bill, which instituted a five-day waiting period before you could buy a handgun, and a ban on assault weapons. As I said in 1994, "That's not going to make me the hero of the NRA." But then, "I don't line up with the NRA." As I said in my gubernatorial campaign, "We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts. I support them. I won't chip away at them."

Romney2008: "I have a gun of my own. I go hunting myself. I'm a member of the NRA and believe firmly in the right to bear arms. In our state . . . there are a series of laws restricting gun ownership in various ways. Over the past four years, I've worked very closely with the Gun Owners' Action League here, which is an affiliate of the NRA, and we've made some changes which I think they feel have been positive steps. And so you are going to see that, I think, hopefully, in other states as well, as they make progress, perhaps further than Massachusetts has."

MM: Ah, excuse me, but isn't that son Josh's gun?

...

Alas, we've run out of time. But I hope our forum has revealed something important about the positions, character, and convictions of these two very different politicians.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cult; justsaynotomassholes; ohmitttellmelies; rino; rinomey; romney
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Flip flop on abortion, too, in the full article. I hope this isn't the best candidate Republicans have, cause I can't convince myself to support him.
1 posted on 01/19/2007 8:39:04 AM PST by RKV
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There is no chance he gets my vote in the primary and a 50/50 chance I would hold my nose and vote for him in the general. A terrible candidate and a RINO. Someone like him or Rudi would splinter our base into a million pieces.


2 posted on 01/19/2007 8:41:52 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: RKV

Many moons ago, as a young skull full of mush, I thought abortion "liberalization" was a great thing. Now I realize how terrible it was.

People should be allowed to change their positions if they articulate valid reasons for doing so.

This does not in and of itself constitute flip-flopping.


3 posted on 01/19/2007 8:45:16 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: SmoothTalker

Yeah, you do need to choose the lesser of two evils. Hell of a way to run a country. Where's Ronald Reagan's successor? Wish I knew.


4 posted on 01/19/2007 8:46:19 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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Romney, like President Bush, supports the assault weapons ban. I don't know whether he still supports the Brady Bill, but labeling him a RINO is not constructive. I wish people would reserve judgement until more is known about the platform these candidates are running on, before trying to destroy their candidacy.


5 posted on 01/19/2007 8:47:50 AM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: RKV

RWR was the last candidate I voted for in a presidential election without holding my nose. Bush I and Bush II have been bitter disapointments and Dole was far too left for my taste.


6 posted on 01/19/2007 8:48:29 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: Sherman Logan

If you read the article, it's pretty clear that he's lying about the gun control position. That's not valid. What's going on is he's a typical politician - spineless.


7 posted on 01/19/2007 8:48:32 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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Yeah, you do need to choose the lesser of two evils.

Getting 70% of what you want doesn't sound 'evil' to me. Indeed, President Reagan said that he would rather settle for 70% (Romnney) than 0% (Hillary).
8 posted on 01/19/2007 8:48:55 AM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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" I wish people would reserve judgement until more is known about the platform these candidates are running on"

Key phrase is "platform these candidates are running on." Both Mitt and Rudi have taken some liberal positions in the past on some key issues. What they "run on" may not be close to what they actually think. I tend to prefer candidates who have been consistent on issues and don't lean whichever way gives them the best chance of being elected.


9 posted on 01/19/2007 8:50:34 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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Many moons ago, as a young skull full of mush, I thought abortion "liberalization" was a great thing. Now I realize how terrible it was.

So...are you saying that a 47 year old Romney had a "skull full of Mush." But now that he is so old (50's, 60's) he's realized the error of his ways?

What do you think brought on this great epiphany? Same wife, same religious affiliation, same hair style and suave good looks, and silver tongue. What do you think brought him to his senses.

Could it possibly be that he needs the vote of conservatives to win the party nomination? Once he has secured our nomination and needs the vote of the general public to become President, do you think his views might go through another miraculous transformation?

10 posted on 01/19/2007 8:51:48 AM PST by colorcountry (Remember: Everyone seems normal until you get to know them.)
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To: LtdGovt

If it was 70% I might be convinced. Based on his performance, the number is lower than that. Much lower. As in the case of Gov. Schwarzenegger, he is so far away from the base, that it really does damage to the party to have him as a candidate and an elected official.


11 posted on 01/19/2007 8:52:07 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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Yes, the Boston Globe is out to knock him off.

Could this be because he's the candidate most likely to defeat their favorite Democrat?


12 posted on 01/19/2007 8:52:44 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: colorcountry

"[D]o you think his views might go through another miraculous transformation?" Guaranteed.


13 posted on 01/19/2007 8:53:27 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: SmoothTalker

Well, it's very difficult to figure out exactly what politicians 'actually think'. And even if you do find out, and it is inconsistent with what they do, what they will do is more relevant, in my opinion.


14 posted on 01/19/2007 8:53:35 AM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: RKV

15 posted on 01/19/2007 8:53:36 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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I will be very surprised if Romney is the Republican nominee. There is a certain intangible quality about a potential President - Reagan had it - that Romney simply is missing.

Regards, Ivan

16 posted on 01/19/2007 8:53:52 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: RKV

I am by no means in the Romney camp, but I would just caution everyone to be vigilant whenever an unAmerican marxist publication starts complaining about a Republican not being conservative enough.


17 posted on 01/19/2007 8:53:57 AM PST by red meat conservative
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I saw Ann Coulter say she likes Romney. I think we're scraping the bottom of the bucket.


18 posted on 01/19/2007 8:54:20 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: SmoothTalker
I tend to prefer candidates who have been consistent on issues and don't lean whichever way gives them the best chance of being elected.

I also prefer conservative epiphanies that do not coincide with a campaign for a new office.

19 posted on 01/19/2007 8:54:39 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter - a candidate who doesn't need infomercials to convince you he's a conservative)
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To: proxy_user

You have to concern yourself less with the motivation of the newspapers, than the factual accuracy of their reporting. In this case, the changes in position are well documented, substantive, and damning. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. We better do better than Romney in the primaries.


20 posted on 01/19/2007 8:55:54 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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