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Bush is a picture of defeat (GREELEY ALERT)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | January 19, 2007 | ANDREW GREELEY

Posted on 01/19/2007 4:11:46 PM PST by Chi-townChief

The presidential address last week was pathetic enough to make one feel sad for the poor dear man, as they say in the old country. With little emotional affect he read a lecture about his ''new strategy,'' which was in fact nothing more than a new tactic, growled at Iran and Syria, threatened the Iraqi government, and promised that the United States would emerge the winner in Iraq. The notion that 20,000 more American troops would pacify Baghdad was farcical. If one really intended to stop internecine war between two religious tribes, one would have had to promise a lot more Americans. John Keegan, the famous English military historian and commentator, estimated that pacification would take 50,000 troops. Various American military experts suggested that it would require at least 100,000 soldiers and Marines. If one calculates two American soldiers or Marines for every 1,000 people in a city, as does the Army's counter-insurgency manual, 140,000 fighting men (which excludes the half of the troops in Iraq who are not combat soldiers) would be required.

The mountain labored and gave birth to a mouse.

Some of President Bush's allies in government and the media (David Brooks in the New York Times, for example) contend the ''new strategy'' must be tried if only because there's nothing else to do. Republican senators insist the Democrats in Congress must suggest an alternative strategy if they expect to be taken seriously. How are we going to solve the Iraq Problem unless we have a strategy?

There are two answers to such idiocy: 1) There isn't an alternative strategy or any strategy that will clean up the Iraq mess, and 2) the Democrats do have a strategy: phased withdrawal, beginning now.

In fact, no one knows what will happen when American troops leave or what Iran or the Arab countries would do. One does know that the Arabs and the Persians don't particularly like one another and that the Sunnis want to run Iraq again and have little interest in re-establishing a caliphate presided over by Osama bin Laden.

In any event, the Middle East is always unstable. The Iranian president is unpopular with his people because he has not been able to transform the economic chaos in his country. The various Islamic factions are not likely to try to induce stability in their part of the world as long as a U.S. army is occupying one of their countries.

The president's apocalyptic descriptions of Iraq after ''we'' leave are transcriptions of neo-conservative memos. The neo-cons are high-level thinkers and brilliant memo writers. They provided the ideas that the president and his aides (none of them high-level thinkers) needed to justify the war. Although many of them are distinguished graduates of the University of Chicago and similar institutions, they seemed to know very little history. None of them anticipated what a cursory reading of Winston Churchill's book on Iraq would have predicted: the present civil war.

The most pathetic part of the president's talk was the peroration, a listless reprise of all the neo-con cliches from the last six years: war on terror, enemies who want to destroy our way of life because they fear our freedom, global cultural confrontation, the crucial battle of our time. For motivation to support his "new strategy," the president had to fall back on the conventional wisdom of talk radio hosts, conservative editorial writers, and the gurus of the Fox network.

No one ever offers hard proof that these horrors would occur. The battling Shiites and Sunnis are interested in killing each other in a struggle for power for themselves in Iraq. They may hate Americans, but they hate each other more. The only ones who can destroy American freedom are government officials who claim the right to read our mail, listen to our phone calls, bug our e-mail, and deny some of us the right to have lawyers to defend us. They are the real enemy.

For all the bravado of his words, the president did not seem to have his heart in the speech. He tried to sound tough, but really seemed like someone who knew deep down that he was a beaten man.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: andrewgreeley; bush; greeley; iraq; lefties; rats
Hmmmm ... I guess you have to wonder what that makes Greeley then as he spends every column whining about it.
1 posted on 01/19/2007 4:11:48 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

I hate smug.


2 posted on 01/19/2007 4:13:12 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Chi-townChief

For a moment, I thought I was reading an article by Jimmy Carter....


3 posted on 01/19/2007 4:14:23 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Chi-townChief

Mr. Greeley saw a different presidential address from the one I saw.

Whenever a liberal says he feels sorry for a conservative, he doesn't, really. He's just trying to sound nice before he stabs the knife in and twists.


4 posted on 01/19/2007 4:17:42 PM PST by Theresawithanh (Growing old isn't so bad - especially considering the alternative!)
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To: Chi-townChief
Greely can kiss my shiny metal daffodil ass.
5 posted on 01/19/2007 4:17:59 PM PST by mnehring (Virtus Junxit mors non Separabit)
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To: Chi-townChief
If one really intended to stop internecine war between two religious tribes, one would have had to promise a lot more Americans.

Oh yes, and I'm SURRRRRRRRRRRRRE you'd have supported that, right Andrew? Amazing isn't it when Democrats were proposing more troops for Iraq the media amen chorus was saying they were precisely right, that this is exactly what Iraq needed. Now that Bush is proposing it, it's "pathetic." Come on, you media types are such a massive joke you can't even see how laughable and see-through you all are!

This incessant and shrill Bush bashing by the media is becoming so knee jerk and cliched that one can't call it anything other than what it is, partisan polemics. It's not inspired commentary or astute observation. It's just propaganda of the lowest and most uninspired form, with one idiot Bush hater just echoing another. At some point it's going to create a backlash among more than just conservatives. Certainly it is a big reason newspaper circulation and TV news viewship are both taking a plunge.

Is there really NOTHING in a booming economy, record stock market, full employment and the fact that we've not had another terrorist attack on our soil for over 5 years that these media clowns can find in order to say that Bush has seen a great deal of success as president along with the shortcomings that are their soul focus?

If John Kerry were president right now and proposed 20,000 more troops for Iraq and the economy and national security situation were as favorable as they are, the media would be singing hallejuah choruses to his name and calling him a "visionary.

6 posted on 01/19/2007 4:22:31 PM PST by MikeA (Nancy Pelosi: The Speaker of the News Media)
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To: Chi-townChief; xzins

So Father Andrew Greeley is still around? What a nasty surprise.

http://www.agreeley.com/


7 posted on 01/19/2007 4:24:05 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Chi-townChief

8 posted on 01/19/2007 4:26:31 PM PST by Gritty (The entire discussion of this war is surreal. Who are we fighting? Where is our Churchill?-JPMulhern)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Greeley is no General.


9 posted on 01/19/2007 4:29:31 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Chi-townChief
Nothing I appreciate more than the foreign policy musings of a priest-pornographer. What would we do without such a mind.
10 posted on 01/19/2007 4:32:29 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Chi-townChief

I think he is mistaken about the President's demeanor. What he hears is quiet resolve and determination to win. No more PC, no more restraint.


11 posted on 01/19/2007 4:36:23 PM PST by maxter
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To: hinckley buzzard

Ia Greeley gay or what? Not that there is anything wrong with that.


12 posted on 01/19/2007 4:41:15 PM PST by Thebaddog (Labrador Retrievers are the dog's dog)
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To: maxter

I predict that Fr.Greeley will see the day when he will pray to have a man like President Bush in control of the country, and it will not be. Idiots.....that's all we get these days.


13 posted on 01/19/2007 4:46:30 PM PST by WVNan
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To: Chi-townChief

My e-mail to this flaming idiot, incorporating some of the comments I made in my post above--

Mr. Greeley:

You're seeing what you want to see in claiming President Bush is "defeated." President Bush isn't defeated. His critics who can't stop the partisan bomb throwing while offering no alternative vision are the ones who have to be said to be defeated. Those who are defeated are those who have given up. And Mr. Bush clearly has not given up. It is you and the others in the "retreat and defeat" crowd regarding Iraq who have given up. It is those who have nothing but negativity and mindless, knee jerk complaining who have given up, who have no solutions, nothing contructive, nothing substantive to offer in return. It's all about tearing down rather than offering solutions that would lead to progress. It's all about hoping for failure with your crowd.

It's always easier to be a critic than to be a visionary Mr. Greeley. History will not remember the professional carping class such as yourself and others, especially the partisan hacks who populate the Democratic leadership. The first woman Speaker is about all Nancy Pelosi will ever be remembered for. However history will remember a president who ultimately will be vindicated by what will result in process of time in the Middle East. History is kind to those with patience, fortitude and hope. History doesn't long remember the defeatist, the cynic, the naysayer, the mindless critic.

You say this in your column:

If one really intended to stop internecine war between two religious tribes, one would have had to promise a lot more Americans.
Oh yes, and I'm sure you'd have supported that, right Mr. Greeley? This is becoming a regular routine with you Bush critics. Attack him when he does one thing, attack him again when he does a 180 and does the opposite which you all previously said he should have done. If Bush were to have offered more troops, you mean to tell me you'd suddenly be thrilled with Bush's plan? I don't really find this criticism credible.

Amazing isn't it when Democrats were proposing more troops for Iraq the media amen chorus was saying they were precisely right, that this is exactly what Iraq needed. Now that Bush is proposing it, it's "pathetic." Come on, you media types are such a massive joke you can't even see how laughable and see-through you all are!

This incessant and shrill Bush bashing by the media is becoming so knee jerk and cliched that one can't call it anything other than what it is, partisan polemics. It's not inspired commentary or astute observation. It's not even loyal opposition. It's certainly not constructive criticism. No, to be constructive is not its intent. Its purpose is to be destructive.

No, far from being reasoned commentary it's just cheap propaganda of the lowest and most uninspired form, with one Bush hater just parroting another. At some point it's going to create a backlash among more than just conservatives. Certainly it is a big reason newspaper circulation and TV news viewship are both taking a plunge.

Is there really NOTHING in a booming economy, record stock market, full employment and the fact that we've not had another terrorist attack on our soil for over 5 years that these media clowns can find in order to say that Bush has seen a great deal of success as president along with the shortcomings that are their soul focus?

If John Kerry were president right now and proposed 20,000 more troops for Iraq and the economy and national security situation were as favorable as they are, the media would be singing hallejuah choruses to his name and calling him a "visionary.

Anyway Mr. Greeley, congratulations on being a cliche, a dime a dozen Bush basher among an already crowded field of anger merchants. I suppose you feel you're making a difference. But the truth is, and this is coming from one of the average Americans you're trying to reach, one not steeped in monastic and insular culture and self-congratulations of the news media: you're just noise, a bitter voice lost in the cachopony of a Lord of the Flies media yelping away as it senses its done in a president. But trust me when I say the worst damage you people have done is only to yourselves and your credibility.

MikeA


14 posted on 01/19/2007 4:56:13 PM PST by MikeA (Nancy Pelosi: The Speaker of the News Media)
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To: xzins

General Saftgiver says: Issue 30,000 ponds of bacon to the city of Baghdad. If you appear on the streets, you'd better have a BLT in your mouth or we open fire.


15 posted on 01/19/2007 4:58:21 PM PST by Safetgiver (Stinko De mayo, Stinko to the Commies.)
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To: maxter

I guess he signed the pardon then. No? To many pieces of paper on his desk? He does, come to think about, a certain resolve to screw these guys. He let his prosecutors run amok.


16 posted on 01/19/2007 5:07:56 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Chi-townChief

"In fact, no one knows what will happen when American troops leave... The president's apocalyptic descriptions of Iraq after ''we'' leave are transcriptions of neo-conservative memos."

This guy is utterly disconnected from reality if he thinks that leaving Iraq before the job is done isn't going to allow the creation of a major terrorist state. This is the problem with liberals: They are pathologically incapable of recognizing an actual threat, mainly because they are terrified of confrontation.


17 posted on 01/19/2007 5:13:50 PM PST by navyguy (We don't need more youth. What we need is a fountain of SMART.)
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Andrew "Soft-core pornographer masquerading as a Catholic Priest and good friend of Matty Lauer" Greeley

18 posted on 01/19/2007 5:18:17 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Chi-townChief

Greeley is smug and full of hate. And his hate is transparent, despite what he might think of his readers. But, gosh, I guess I should consider that all of that negative energy is offset by his religious duties, like playing tennis, wining and dining, writing third-rate novels, you know, all that Mother Teresa kind of stuff.


19 posted on 01/19/2007 5:39:53 PM PST by macamadamia
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To: Chi-townChief

How about a column on THIS topic:


"Greeley is a Picture of Leftist Depravity"


THAT would be more plausible...


20 posted on 01/19/2007 5:48:40 PM PST by Enchante (Chamberlain Democrats embraced by terrorists and America-haters worldwide!!)
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To: WVNan

I am afraid you may very well be right.


21 posted on 01/19/2007 5:48:44 PM PST by maxter
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To: MikeA

Way to go Mike A. Good, respectful slam letter.


22 posted on 01/19/2007 7:39:56 PM PST by RacerX1128
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To: Chi-townChief

What a masturbation session there greeley. You are a blithering moron, indistinguishable from Paul Craig Roberts or Robert Sheer.


23 posted on 01/19/2007 7:59:57 PM PST by pissant
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To: Chi-townChief

What a vitriolic, contemptuous, spiteful little man - what ever happened to Do Unto Others, Love Your Enemies, and Don't Cast the First Stone, Father?........


24 posted on 01/19/2007 9:17:00 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Chi-townChief
Dear Father,

I'm a fallen Catholic and sinner. My father served in the Marine Corps in Vietnam and was wounded in action after serving for 13 years. I saw him recover and live a life as a productive citizen with half of a right leg and multiple other injuries. He was adamant that I attend church as a young man and I received communion and was confirmed.

I tell you these things in order to tell you of the humiliation that a priest delivered in one of his sermons about the atrocities of the American soldiers and the waste of men in this pointless battle. Other weeks our family listened to the announcements for "support of the representatives of peace" and the "messengers of peace" to put an end to the murder committed by our government and its troops.

I sat there and watched my father's face and it was unfazed. He explained to me later, when I was older, that his love of the Church and Christ is what saved him for us. That the church is more than any one man, his words or misdeeds. He also tried to get me to stay within the body of the Church.

I've never understood the fascination that certain "Catholic leaders" have with socialism and communism. I write you this message on the off chance that you might realized that some of the Catholics you reach might disagree with your politics and the fact that some fight in defense of our country and your right to worship and write your opinions. Your obvious disdain for the President and his policies are noted.

I am unfortunately not like my father and find you and the other "progressive" Catholics to be a detriment to the "purpose of the Church". Your opinions about our public policies in government have little in bringing your flock towards Jesus Christ and his message. They concern "the physical world" and not the important things in this life.

How about an article hating the sin and not the sinner. Remember that from catechism? Hate the murder of 3000 Americans but not the murderers. Hate Bush's actions but not Bush.

Without publicity or photographers, visit Walter Reed Hospital during visiting hours. Find a 8 year old boy whose father's leg is blown off, back shot with several rounds of bullets and multiple fragments from a hand grenade, tell him his father sacrificed "for nothing" or for "Halliburton" or " Blood for Oil" or for a "neocons fantasy". You might find a young man who will grow up and hate the Catholic Church for the hypocritical cesspool and gay fantasy camp it's become.

Keep up the good work, rest well father and God Bless.

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25 posted on 01/20/2007 9:18:38 PM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Chi-townChief

Man. This guy needs to get l**d.


26 posted on 01/20/2007 9:19:43 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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