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Boeing Introduces New Interior for 747-8 Intercontinental
Boeing.com ^ | Jan. 18, 2007 | Staff

Posted on 01/19/2007 8:26:14 PM PST by Paleo Conservative

SEATTLE, Jan. 18, 2007 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] today unveiled a life-size sales display of the interior for the new 747-8 Intercontinental. The two-story display showcases the dramatic interior architecture of the 747-8.

The 747-8 applies interior features from the 787 Dreamliner that includes a new curved, upswept architecture giving passengers a greater feeling of space and comfort, while adding more room for personal belongings. The interior architecture is accentuated by new lighting technology that creates a perception of airy brightness and provides smooth lighting transitions to offer a more restful environment.

In addition, the 747-8 integrates features from the 777, including windows that equal those on the 777 (15.3 inches/38.8 centimeters tall and 10.76 inches/27.3 centimeters wide), and are larger than those on the 747-400.

"The 747 family's unique interior and structural design have provided passengers with memorable flying experiences for decades," said Dan Mooney, vice president, 747/747-8 Program. "By incorporating 787-style interior features, the new 747-8 Intercontinental will provide a significantly enhanced passenger experience. Passengers will know they are on a brand new airplane the moment they step on board the 747-8, and will experience a whole new way to fly."

Door two, where passengers normally enter a 747, represents the most noticeable change from the 747-400. The welcoming entryway features a dramatic sweeping staircase leading to the upper deck.

"The new entryway will greatly enhance the passenger appeal and create a strong first impression," said Doug Ackerman, engineering interior team leader for the 747-8. "However, the entryway provides more than just aesthetic appeal. It also was designed to facilitate improved passenger flow during boarding and deplaning."

The 1,750-square-foot (533-square-meter) sales display, located at the Boeing Customer Experience Center in Renton, Wash., focuses on the airplane's door-two entryway, staircase and upper deck. It also highlights the business-class section forward of the entryway and economy class aft of the entryway.

Additional Information

747-8 Family: The 747-8 is a family of passenger and freighter airplanes. The 747-8 Intercontinental passenger airplane is the only jetliner in the 400- to 500-seat market. Stretched 5.6 m (18.3 ft) from the 747-400 to provide 467 seats in a typical three-class configuration, the Intercontinental offers the lowest seat-mile cost of any passenger airplane. It provides operators a 14,815-km (8,000-nmi) range, 28 percent greater cargo volume and 10 percent lower seat-mile costs compared to the 747-400. The 747-8 Freighter will fly 8,275 km (4,475 nmi) with a maximum structural payload capacity of 140 metric tonnes (154 tons). It offers 16 percent more revenue cargo volume than the 747-400F with slightly greater range. The 747-8 Freighter upholds its predecessor's legendary efficiency, with equivalent trip costs and 15 percent lower ton-mile costs than the 747-400F. The 747-8 Freighter will enjoy the lowest ton-mile costs of any freighter, giving operators unmatched profit potential. The first 747-8 Freighter will be delivered to launch customer Cargolux in late 2009. The first 747-8 Intercontinental will be delivered in 2010. Since its launch in November, 2005, nine customers have ordered 78 747-8 Intercontinentals and freighters.



TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: 747; aerospace; boeing; trade
Another big order for 747's could actually put the 747 ahead of the A380 in terms of orders since the A380 was launched.
1 posted on 01/19/2007 8:26:18 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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2 posted on 01/19/2007 8:27:15 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

I want a house like that, if the Bar is upstairs,I'm buying.......


3 posted on 01/19/2007 8:29:04 PM PST by cmsgop ( How do we know he's NOT Mel Torme?)
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To: cmsgop

That's ridiculous. A slick interior but a struggling airline is not going to buy a 747-8i so they can fly a bar around the world. That space will be devoted to passenger seats or the airline should buy a smaller plane.


4 posted on 01/19/2007 8:32:23 PM PST by Radio_Silence
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To: Paleo Conservative

I saw that a 787 Dreamliner has been sold to a Swiss group, Provait Air I think, for use as a VIP a/c.

Now thats luxury. Better than a A318 Elite IMO.


5 posted on 01/19/2007 8:32:53 PM PST by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
But the French will say that most orders for the 747-8I is for freighters, and not Pax, I say,,, TO BAD, it all counts.
6 posted on 01/19/2007 8:33:21 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Radio_Silence
Well aren't you Mr.Poopie Pants....
7 posted on 01/19/2007 8:36:28 PM PST by cmsgop ( How do we know he's NOT Mel Torme?)
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To: Radio_Silence
I struggling airline wouldn't pony up the cash for a huge capital investment like a 747 unless they had the cash to pay for it.
So will, and some won't keep that bar, but, most won't ( if any ) will go for the loft option.
8 posted on 01/19/2007 8:37:14 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

opps, I meant, a airline, instead of I airline,


9 posted on 01/19/2007 8:38:30 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
But the French will say that most orders for the 747-8I is for freighters, and not Pax, I say,,, TO BAD, it all counts.

And how many A380 freighter orders does Airbus have?

Supposedly Airbus has to sell 420 A380's just to break even. If Boeing sold just 420 or 500 747-8's, the 747-8 would be an enormous success, and the total production of all models of 747's would be greater than 1,900 -- greater than the 1,832 prduction run of 727's. Unless Airbus sells, 900 - 1,000 copies of the A380 with no addtional investment in improved versions, Airbus will have a lower rate of return than if they invested in US T-Bills.

10 posted on 01/19/2007 8:39:46 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Radio_Silence
That's ridiculous. A slick interior but a struggling airline is not going to buy a 747-8i so they can fly a bar around the world. That space will be devoted to passenger seats or the airline should buy a smaller plane.

The space behind the wall is a galley. On previous 747's you boarded right into the galley area. There's not much space wasted, it's just laid out in a more attractive way.

11 posted on 01/19/2007 8:43:23 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
I am not sure how many A-380 freighters were ordered, but, I heard news that even UPS might cancel their orders.
I think, The A-380F only had about 20 orders or so.
If Emirates were to cancel their ( or cancel half ) of their 45 plane order, that would put the A-380 program in serious jeopardy.
Even if the 747-8I were ( Pax and Freight ) to only get 200 orders, it would be big success.
12 posted on 01/19/2007 8:44:14 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
I am not sure how many A-380 freighters were ordered, but, I heard news that even UPS might cancel their orders.

I was making a rhetorical question. I pinged an article earlier today about the UPS cancellation.

13 posted on 01/19/2007 8:45:16 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Sorry everyone. Don't get me wrong. I've worked with Boeing in the past and several of the airlines and absolutely love the fact that they're kicking the crap out of Airbus.

My point is that if you are a struggling airline, which almost all are, it is in your best interest to maximize seating capacity on the plane to generate as much revenue as you can. It does not make sense to waste that space on something as frivolous as a bar when you could fit four or five more first class seats in that space. It's a poor decision economically to waste space on an aircraft.

Besides, this is all marketing anyways. The airlines have final say on seat configuration. I was working in Australia a couple of years ago for the big airline down there and we all got a good laugh out of the A380 literature that showed a bowling alley in the plane. That most have wasted space for at least 100 or so seats.


14 posted on 01/19/2007 8:46:07 PM PST by Radio_Silence
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To: Paleo Conservative
"The 747 family's unique interior and structural design have provided passengers with memorable flying experiences for decades,"

Yah. My memorable flying experiences, including on long-haul flights on Boeing craft, are for the most part of feeling like I'm in a sardine can. And the very worst, SF to Sydney on a 747, is one I have NO desire to ever repeat.

Maybe that's why I'm thinking about a job with ZERO travel.

15 posted on 01/19/2007 8:46:56 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Very true. Maybe its the camera angle of that photo but that space looks pretty wide open. Much more area than I would expect of the 747 galley area.


16 posted on 01/19/2007 8:47:51 PM PST by Radio_Silence
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To: Radio_Silence
That space will be devoted to passenger seats

The airline beancounters will see to that in about 5 seconds.

17 posted on 01/19/2007 8:48:05 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Paleo Conservative
OK ... what about leg room in coach? Some airlines, mostly long haul carriers offer up to 39 inches ... you can have a great aircraft but if you're shoe horned in ascetics add little value.
18 posted on 01/19/2007 8:48:12 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: BluH2o
if you're shoe horned in ascetics add little value.

Ascetics add lots of value -- especially if they're in the seat in front of you and can be persuaded to not recline the seat because it produces too much comfort. Aesthetics on the other hand...

*\;-)

19 posted on 01/19/2007 8:51:57 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Radio_Silence

But that's the entrance to the plane. First class and business class passengers will either turn left or go up the stairs while economy passengers will turn right. There's got to be quite a bit of room to handle up to 479 passengers boarding. One of the options will be galleys in the currently unused crown space above the economy section. This will allow another 12 economy seats.


20 posted on 01/19/2007 8:52:06 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: BluH2o
OK ... what about leg room in coach? Some airlines, mostly long haul carriers offer up to 39 inches ... you can have a great aircraft but if you're shoe horned in ascetics add little value.

Check out this link.

http://www.seatguru.com/

A few airlines will offer 38 inch seat pitch in premium economy, but they usually offer 31 - 32 inches in standard economy.

21 posted on 01/19/2007 8:55:42 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: sionnsar
The airline beancounters will see to that in about 5 seconds.

It can't be. They would block the main cabin door.

22 posted on 01/19/2007 8:57:06 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
... upswept architecture giving passengers a greater feeling of space and comfort, while adding more room for personal belongings.

Next trick: getting the TSA to agree to allow more personal belongings. :)

23 posted on 01/19/2007 9:07:02 PM PST by upchuck (The American coup de grâce is well under way. Thus far, the Donks haven't had to fire a shot.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Think I'll forget all about a Gulf V now.


24 posted on 01/19/2007 9:16:55 PM PST by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: Paleo Conservative

Having spent a good chunk of my life on the upper deck of a 747 transiting to China, my comment...What are they thinking? One of my worst flights was on Continental Business from EWK to Hong Kong. Their "10k per seat" seats were the worst ever. It's an example of where you let engineers push without feedback.

As an engineer myself, Boing should commit to one goal and one goal only(aside from the obvious of safety and useability). Passenger comfort. I am over 6 foot by an inch or so but in many planes my knees impact the seat in front of me.


25 posted on 01/19/2007 9:26:01 PM PST by Malsua
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To: Radio_Silence

"That's ridiculous. A slick interior but a struggling airline is not going to buy a 747-8i so they can fly a bar around the world. That space will be devoted to passenger seats or the airline should buy a smaller plane."

They know more about their customers than you could ever learn in a lifetime.


26 posted on 01/19/2007 9:36:39 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Radio_Silence
Rad ( Radio ) I do understand your point, and it is taken well.
I still feel, that those airlines who are struggling won't order a huge capital investment just yet.
You are correct, max as much as you can.
I remember how the old 747-400 entrance is, and that was the area were they prepare food, and we have heard that they might move that area up in the loft.
I guess time will tell what the airlines will eventually use.
27 posted on 01/19/2007 10:07:27 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Malsua
"I am over 6 foot by an inch or so but in many planes my knees impact the seat in front of me."

It's the airline that specifies the seat pitch and many other interior details. Pitch in particular is subject to change.

Lufthansa lost me as a customer when they decreased their seat pitch. They used to be a comfortable airline, even in coach. Now my knees, as you say, touch the seat in front of me. There isn't even enough room to cross my legs. Excruciating.
28 posted on 01/19/2007 10:16:07 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Hunter/Rumsfeld 2008!])
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To: Radio_Silence
In the video concept of that same area, there is a bar, just not a out in the open bar, but, more like, a window that opens at the little room were the bartender is, and you have a little counter, and that's it, and opposite the bar/little room is a ??? FISH TANK ? ha ? ( yeah, I can see that when a plane is in a steep angle, and the weight of a fish thank ).
IN the video concept, the stairs are on the left side of the bar/bartender room.
29 posted on 01/19/2007 10:16:21 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Malsua

Don't blame Boeing. Its the airlines that decide what seat design they are going to use, their size, and how they are spaced out.


30 posted on 01/20/2007 4:39:33 AM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Paleo Conservative

It seems they could fit 3 and 3 seating in that lower section. Plenty of room down there. Windows would be problematic. But if they put in a low-cost "Galley Slave" class, I'm sure a lot of people would take them up on it.

31 posted on 01/20/2007 5:36:19 AM PST by gridlock (Isn't it peculiar that no matter what the problem, the government's solution is always "more taxes".)
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To: gridlock
It seems they could fit 3 and 3 seating in that lower section. Plenty of room down there.

Apart from the practical problems with egress, etc., the long haul airlines make much more money putting freight in that slave galley than they could with paying passengers.

32 posted on 01/20/2007 5:46:03 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: gridlock
It seems they could fit 3 and 3 seating in that lower section. Plenty of room down there.

Why would airlines want to do that? They make more per pound of freight than they do from carrying passengers. One reason why the A380 isn't a very good design is that with two full decks of passengers, there isn't much room left in the cargo holds for revenue cargo after all the passengers' baggage is loaded. One of the advantages of the proposed 787-10 will be that two of them have more passenger capacity than one A380 with lower cost per seat mile and 180% of the revenue cargo space.

The 747-8 will be able to carry several more standard LD-3 cargo containers compared to the 747-400. It also is able to get longer range without using any fuel tanks in the cargo hold due to increased fuel capacity in the updated wings and improved performance of the engines.

33 posted on 01/20/2007 7:11:35 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Kirkwood

Actually, I know that they "know their customers". I also know they they build a great plane.

I'm simply pointing out how ridiculous marketing can be.

Let me know when you've taken a flight on any airline that isn't jam packed with seats or has bars, lounge areas, and such.


34 posted on 01/20/2007 8:08:37 AM PST by Radio_Silence
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To: Radio_Silence
Indeed, and the passengers will pay the fuel costs to fly that disco-looking trim around. Think of the children harmed by the additional global warming from the extra CO2 produced. of course it is sarcasm - the warming part, not the fuel waste
35 posted on 01/20/2007 10:29:24 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Pelosi, the call was for Comity, not Comedy. But thanks for the laughs. StarKisses, NVA.)
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To: cmsgop

They ought to have less seating but a long, full bar complete with video poker. The airlines winnings on the video poker machines will more than justify the loss in seating. Also, they could provide no set meals, just a pub food menu, with hot wings and fries, Po-boys, burgers, soup-o-da-day, fish and chips...etc... By the time you step off the plane, you're pretty sh!thoused and either a winner or a loser. The flight will seem like minutes.


36 posted on 01/20/2007 10:40:35 AM PST by Mashood
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To: Mashood

I Like the way you think, but lets not forget about a Cigar Lounge..:*)


37 posted on 01/20/2007 1:04:46 PM PST by cmsgop ( How do we know he's NOT Mel Torme?)
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To: AZRepublican

Stick with a customized G5 unless you have large entourage. Gulfstream makes the best personal trasnsport jets in the world. I've seen their production facility down in Savannah and met many of the engineers and staff onboard.

There are a lot of folks who take a lot of pride. Hell, I'd be happy with an older G4.


38 posted on 01/20/2007 8:50:04 PM PST by ChinaThreat (s)
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