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"I'm In" (Hillary announces for president)
Hillary Clinton.com ^ | Jan 20, 2007 | Hillary

Posted on 01/20/2007 6:40:14 AM PST by tlb

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To: theFIRMbss

Is Hillary on the Atkins diet ?

151 posted on 01/20/2007 10:26:35 AM PST by woofie
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To: damper99
I think you have nailed it. In addition, could someone on this thread name any candidate in either party that can beat her?

Yes .. she can be beaten .. but only if the right leaning Indpendent/3rd Party voters vote republican and not split the vote

Otherwise .. She will win ..

And if she does .. she will pass laws to make sure the Dems don't give up the WH for a very very long time

152 posted on 01/20/2007 10:30:45 AM PST by Mo1 (Mrs. Bill Clinton - "We're going to take what you have and give it to others for the common good.")
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To: tlb

Once is good. A list-o'-links to other viable candidates' campaign sites would be a plus for FR.


153 posted on 01/20/2007 10:33:13 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Mo1

You can bet she is counting on lightning to strike twice in the same way and, the way some people carry on here aided and abetted by some of the so-called conservatives on the radio, she could get lucky.


154 posted on 01/20/2007 10:35:14 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Mo1

I agree that would defeat her, but name a candidate that will get the GOP vote AND the Independent/3rd Party vote.


155 posted on 01/20/2007 10:45:57 AM PST by damper99
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To: pinz-n-needlez
My husband's first reaction...........she announced too soon.

She's not going to be able to survive the scrutiny of the American people for two years.

As for our surviving........I'm planning to buy extra duct tape to keep my head from exploding. :)

156 posted on 01/20/2007 10:49:05 AM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - courageously and honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: Iwo Jima
Well, if you want to shrink in defeat before the game ever begins, who am I to stop you?

Hillary is evil, but she's not supernatural. I'm not giving up before it's even started.

157 posted on 01/20/2007 10:50:56 AM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - courageously and honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: hinckley buzzard
name ONE "red" state from 2004 Hildebeast can win

If the election were held today--Ohio.

Throw in New Mexico and probably Colorado. Iowa and Missouri are also looking wobbly.

158 posted on 01/20/2007 10:51:34 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: My2Cents
Well perhaps a Reagan............or a George W. Bush will appear.

I'm not going to be a defeatist at this stage of the game.........but I AM going to be spending a great deal of time in prayer for this, that's for sure.

159 posted on 01/20/2007 10:54:04 AM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - courageously and honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Why hasn't ANYONE ever said a WORD about what they know about Vince or any of the other HIGHLY suspicious deaths in the Clintons' wake? Surely there is ONE decent person who knows something who would be brave enough to save the country from such a presidency. Maybe if her chances looked good enough someone will take the plunge?


160 posted on 01/20/2007 10:54:43 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: ohioWfan

Of course she's human (sort of) and beatable. As El Rushbo has said, Hillary puts her pants on one leg at a time the same as any other guy.


161 posted on 01/20/2007 10:56:39 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: tlb; Doctor Raoul

Fat bottomed Girl dips her big toe in the electoral waters.


162 posted on 01/20/2007 10:58:32 AM PST by sauropod ( "The View:" A Tupperware party in the 10th circle of Hell.)
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To: Yaelle

Suppose that there is one person left alive who has the conscience and the courage to do as you suggest. He/she would either be ignored, dismissed as a kook and then ignored, or destroyed. The end result is that it wouldn't make any difference in today's America.


163 posted on 01/20/2007 10:58:42 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: damper99
but name a candidate that will get the GOP vote AND the Independent/3rd Party vote.

Well .. that is up to the voters

I can't stand John McCain .. but if push come to shove, I'll water-board myself and vote for him to keep the WH out of the hands of Hellary in the General election

What is best for our Country is way more important then my personal wants

164 posted on 01/20/2007 10:59:01 AM PST by Mo1 (Mrs. Bill Clinton - "We're going to take what you have and give it to others for the common good.")
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To: ohioWfan
When she's out there on her own, she doesn't have a single quality that's attractive.

She's got the one. Old liberal women are thrilled that they lived long enough to cast a vote for the first woman president (and they hardly care who).

165 posted on 01/20/2007 10:59:03 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: ohioWfan

Red, the color of passion?

Or silver, to coordinate with the tinfoil???

LOL

I agree with your husband.


166 posted on 01/20/2007 10:59:14 AM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: IncPen
I'm just thinking of signs to hold up whenever/wherever she appears, featuring the questions the MSM will never ask.

How about - Ms Clinton, curious minds would like to know, do you wear boxers, briefs, or a jock strap????

167 posted on 01/20/2007 11:06:13 AM PST by ErieGeno
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To: Jenny Hatch

Even without the whole Arkancide factor, think of the infamous incident in which President Clinton whispered to a reporter whom he mistook for a Secret Service agent to go fetch him the phone number of a comely lass in the crowd. The shocked reporter did as he was commanded by the Chief, but upon receiving the digits dared not to approach the President directly. So he went to a Secret Service agent and was about to convey the message for the President. Bill saw this and furiously pulled the man aside and reprimanded him (paraphrasing), "When I ask you to do something for me, you DO NOT HAVE to get your supervisor's permission! Just do what I ask!"

We do NOT want this sort of royal court in our White House again.


168 posted on 01/20/2007 11:11:00 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: tlb

"Six years of Bush administration failures"?

We're still trying to clean up eight years of you and your husbands f-ups, beyotch!


169 posted on 01/20/2007 11:16:37 AM PST by Christian4Bush (Too bad these leftist advocates for abortion didn't practice what they preached on themselves.)
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To: Yaelle
That's not attractive.

There aren't enough old liberal women to counter the men of all stripes who would never vote for her, nor the intelligent conservative women who would rather die than vote for this sorry excuse for a woman.

The attractiveness is needed to win the mushy middle..............and she ain't got it.

170 posted on 01/20/2007 11:21:22 AM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - courageously and honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: surrey

The MSM will cover for her at every turn.



I was in India for a two week tour, during the midterm elections. On Wednesday morning (which was Tuestday evening here in the States), there were three persistent headlines on CNN and like-minded stations:

1. Democrats win House
2. Hillary is re-elected to Senate?
3. What is the impact of the nuclear deal?

They might as well have made Hillary's reelection the top story.


171 posted on 01/20/2007 11:21:29 AM PST by Christian4Bush (Too bad these leftist advocates for abortion didn't practice what they preached on themselves.)
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To: pinz-n-needlez

Give me a few days to think about it, and then I'll pick the color. ;)


172 posted on 01/20/2007 11:22:04 AM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - courageously and honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: LiveFree99

Rush has a point.....


173 posted on 01/20/2007 11:25:28 AM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - courageously and honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: ohioWfan

LOL We've got 2 years.... ;-)


174 posted on 01/20/2007 11:44:59 AM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: Gay State Conservative; SeaBiscuit; ASA Vet; NonValueAdded
Hillary: I'm In

And Bill is over at the shopping center

****


175 posted on 01/20/2007 1:06:42 PM PST by beyond the sea ( All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest)
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To: Christian4Bush

I was just crusing the DUmpster and they are not pleased at all.


176 posted on 01/20/2007 1:07:44 PM PST by cmsgop ( How do we know he's NOT Mel Torme?)
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To: cmsgop

Do tell. :^)


177 posted on 01/20/2007 1:11:10 PM PST by tioga
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To: tlb
I think its all a feint. She MEANS for people to take on Obama.

She is tricksey, this one. Dont trust either one of them.

178 posted on 01/20/2007 1:15:29 PM PST by Alkhin (star dust contemplating star dust)
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To: tlb

I guess there is some technical reason for it but I don't get all the "exploratory committee" with these people. Why don't they just say they are running for president - period.


179 posted on 01/20/2007 1:19:14 PM PST by A knight without armor
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To: boomop1
She can't and never has answered any tough questions only soft balls

MSM doesn't ask Dems tough questions, so that's not a problem.

180 posted on 01/20/2007 1:21:11 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: tlb

Just saw the Beast's "I'm running" spot on TV. My stomach started to hurt when I thought about all the damage this elitist commie could do to the country. This scares the crap out of me.


181 posted on 01/20/2007 1:28:00 PM PST by 4yearlurker ("Nothing is true,and everything is permitted"--7 th Satanic vow. Sounds like Liberalism!)
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To: KarlInOhio

I agree. Our field of Repubs is pretty weak right now and I don't see a major home run hitter coming down the pike. Anti-Bush frenzy and lack of passion in our camp makes me nervous about 08.


182 posted on 01/20/2007 1:31:20 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg
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To: tlb

Maybe Obama made her announce earlier than she planned? Other than that...what's the big news here. Hillary is running in 08...[yawn.]


183 posted on 01/20/2007 1:40:10 PM PST by Conservative4Ever
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To: A knight without armor
I guess there is some technical reason for it but I don't get all the "exploratory committee" with these people. Why don't they just say they are running for president - period.

It's theatrics. Build suspense, chatter, speculation.

184 posted on 01/20/2007 1:45:46 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: ohioWfan

You forgot about John Edwards. He got a chance to beat Hillary. He's currently keeping a low profile.


185 posted on 01/20/2007 1:46:12 PM PST by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: tlb

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JQLaECOuwTI


186 posted on 01/20/2007 1:46:43 PM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: Christian4Bush
"Six years of Bush administration failures"? We're still trying to clean up eight years of you and your husbands f-ups, beyotch!

Right? Fine...you want to run, run. Just shut up about the president...we thank God on our knees that he is in charge, lady.
187 posted on 01/20/2007 1:50:44 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Conservative4Ever

MSNBC is now showing Hillary's story on Headliners and Legends.

This is gonna be a painful 19 months.


188 posted on 01/20/2007 1:51:04 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: cmsgop
Yes, do fill us in on our friends at the DUmpster.
189 posted on 01/20/2007 1:52:33 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
MSNBC is now showing Hillary's story on Headliners and Legends.

This is gonna be a painful 19 months.

They have been planning this for years. Two years ago the MSM assisted her in her sudden transformation from extreme-left to in-the-middle Democrat. This is just step 35 of 72 step plan that's been in the works.

190 posted on 01/20/2007 1:53:06 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: ohioWfan
Shrink in defeat? Give up? Whereever did you get that notion?

Knowing your enemy is essential to defeating them. I intend to defeat Hillary. Denying the reality of how the Clintons have gotten to where they are only enables them to do it again.

If you want to defeat Hillary, we must stop electronic voting. That is the essential pathway to the White House for her.
191 posted on 01/20/2007 2:03:14 PM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Iwo Jima
Gore and Kerry are amateurs, but look how close they came to getting away with it. The Clintons are professionals. They simply don't accept defeat -- ever.

I got the notion from this post. Sounded a lot like you thought they'd 'get away with it.' Sounded like you were admitting defeat before the game began.

I'm not denying anything about Hillary or the evil she is capable of doing. Let's not make presumptions here, OK?

192 posted on 01/20/2007 2:10:04 PM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - courageously and honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Ah, yes..........the Breck Girl.

The Dems have quite the array of losers, don't they?

193 posted on 01/20/2007 2:10:55 PM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - courageously and honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: tlb


HOW MANY OF YOU OUT THERE BELIEVE IN COINCIDENCE?



Arkansas
Sudden Death Syndrome

A number of persons associated with the Clintons or Arkansas politics have died of unnatural causes or suddenly under circumstances that have raised questions. While lists compiled by some run as high as 61 deaths, the following is limited to those deaths with clear anomalies that, based on the information available to TPR, require further investigation.

A few important points: (1) The fact that anomalies need to be investigated carries no presumption of how a death occurred, only that there remain serious questions that require answers. (2) The possibility of foul play must be taken seriously in a major criminal conspiracy in which over two score individuals and firms have already been convicted and over 100 witnesses have pled the Fifth Amendment or fled the country. (3) If foul play did occur in any of these cases, that fact by itself does not carry the presumption that the White House was involved. Given the footprints of organized crime, the drug trade, foreign espionage, and intelligence agencies along the trail of this story, such a assumption would not be warranted.


NAME
OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH
COMMENTS
Vincent Foster SUICIDE Scores of anomalies remain despite two investigations. White House engaged in major obstruction of investigation including refusing to allow police officers to search office. Some experts consider Foster's suicide note to be a forgery. 7/21/93
Kathy Ferguson SUICIDE Gunshot to head. Death came five days after her ex-husband, Danny Ferguson, was named a co-defendant in the Paula Jones law suit. Left suicide note but body was found in her living room next to her packed bags as though she was planning to take a trip. Bullet hole behind the left ear, execution style, although she was right handed and found with the gun in her right hand. 5/11/93


Bill Shelton SUICIDE Arkansas state trooper. Kathy Ferguson's fiancée. Gunshot to behind ear at Ferguson's gravesite. Left note saying "I can't stand it any more." Local police chief says, "It puts big questions in your mind. Why?" 6/12/93


Ron Brown AIR CRASH Plane crash. Despite serious questions raised by examining pathologist, no autopsy. Other anomalies at site of crash. Was on the verge of being indicted. 4/3/96

Jim McDougal HEART ATTACK Heart attack. Serious health problems; died while in solitary. On 12 medications. Unusual Prozac level found during autopsy. Questions about other drugs given, including Lasix, which is contraindicated for heart patients. Despite being key witness against Clinton, had been treated at a welfare hospital. 3/8/98


Barbara Wise UNKNOWN Commerce Department (International Trade Administration) secretary and associate of John Huang found bruised and partially nude in a locked office at Commerce. Cause of death unknown. 11/29/96
Jerry Luther Parks MURDER Clinton security aide in Arkansas, known to have been keeping dossier on Clinton, gunned down in his car outside of Little Rock. Parks was shot through the rear window of his car and shot three more times, thru the side window, with a 9mm pistol. Parks ran American Contract Services, the business which supplied bodyguards for Clinton during his presidential campaign and the following transition. Bill Clinton still owed him $81,000. Parks had collected detailed data on Clinton's sexual escapades, including pictures and dates. Wife claims federal agents subsequently removed files and computer. She also says that upon learning of Vincent Foster's death, he told her, "I'm a dead man." Two months later he was. Wife also says he made large transfers of cash to Vince Foster. In 2005, however, a woman claiming to be Parks' daughter will post on the Internet the claim that the murder was done at the behest of a member of the family. 9/26/93


Mary Caitrin Mahoney MURDER Former White House intern shot five times during the murder of three Starbucks employees in an execution-style slaying. No money was taken. Informant assisting police in case was murdered when sent by DC police into a botched drug sting. The handling of the 1997 Starbucks murder case continues to raise questions. Why, of all the 301 slayings that took place in DC that same year, did only these three killings attract the attention not only of the FBI but of Attorney General Reno herself? Reno overruled her own US Attorney and called for the death penalty in the case. Reno had intervened in only one other local case -- a gang leader accused of 14 deaths. Carl Derek Cooper pleaded guilty to the crimes in April 2000 after being threatened with the death penalty by Reno. 7/6/97


Steve Willis

Robert Wiliams

Conway LeBleu

Todd McKeehan
GUN SHOTS These four former ATF agents -- killed during the Waco Massacre -- had served as bodyguards to Bill Clinton. Questions have been raised as to the nature and source of their wounds. 2/28/93
Johnny Lawhon ONE-CAR CRASH Automobile mechanic who found $27,000 check made out to Clinton in car left at his shop. Single-car crash at 1 am after leaving gas station at high rate of speed. 3/26/98


Brian D. Haney


William S. Barkley Jr.

Tim Sabel


Scott J. Reynolds


AIR CRASH Clinton bodyguards. Helicopter crash in woods near Quantico VA. Reporters barred from site, but fire department chief reported security tight with "lots of Marines with guns." Videotape made by firefighter seized by Marines. 5/19/93
Ron Miller UNKNOWN Was under investigation for financial

irregularities, Miller had turned over evidence of campaign finance wrongdoing to congressional investigators. Miller, suddenly took ill and died 9 days later. The death was strange enough that doctors referred it to the Oklahoma medical examiner which has refused to release the results of its tests. 10/12/97


William Colby DROWNING Colby's death, allegedly while canoeing, raises a number of questions. For example, the retired CIA head had left his home unlocked, his computer on, and a partly eaten dinner on the table. Colby had recently become an editor of Strategic Investment which was doing investigative reporting on the Vince Foster death. 4/96


Gandy Baugh SUICIDE Attorney who had represented Clinton buddy and drug distributor Dan Lasater allegedly jumped to his death. Baugh's law partner commited suicide one month later. 2/9/94


Dr. Ronald Rogers PLANE CRASH Plane crashed while this Arkansas dentist was on his way to an interview with a London Telegraph reporter covering the Clinton scandals. Plane went down far off its planned route after generator overheated.


Neil Moody ONE-CAR CRASH Son of the man Vince Foster's widow married was killed in a single car crash against a brick wall. Reports that he had been talking to reporters. There were other reports that Neil Moody had discovered something unsettling among his stepmother's private papers and was threatening to go public with it just prior to the beginning of the Democratic National Convention. Witnesses said they saw Neil sitting in his car arguing with another person and suddenly speeding off out of control and hitting a brick wall.8/25/96


Paula Grober ONE-CAR CRASH Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf was killed in a high-speed, no witness, one-car crash. Had traveled extensively with Clinton since 1978 12/9/92


Admiral Jerermy Boorda SUICIDE Boorda allegedly killed himself after going home for lunch. Explanations for suicide include his wearing an improper medal and stresses over Navy downsizing. Explanations for Boorda's suicide focused on a claim that he was embarrassed over two "V for Valor" pins he was not authorized to wear. When it turned out that Boorda was entitled to those decorations, blame shifted to stresses over down sizing of the Navy and the adverse affect that feminism was having on the Navy's morale.

Charles Meisner PLANE CRASH Assistant Commerce Secretrary responsible for giving John Huang a department contract with security clearances.

Jim Wilhite ONE-PERSON SKIING ACCIDENT Vice chair of Arkla with ties to Clinton and Mack McLarty. Wilhite was an associate of Mack McClarty's former firm. 12/21/92


Paul Wilcher UNKNOWN Washington attorney found dead on a toilet in apartment. Said to be investigating various scandals including the October Surprise, the 1980 election campaign, drug and gun-running through Mena and the Waco assault. Was planning a TV documentary on his findings. Delivered extensive affidavit to Janet Reno three weeks before his death. 6/22/93


Kevin Ives & Don Henry Crushed skull & stabbing before being placed on railroad tracks Two boys were killed in Saline County and left on a railroad track to be run over by a train There is an initial report of joint suicide and then State Medical Examiner Fahmy Malak ruled the deaths "accidental," saying the boys had smoked too much marijuana and fallen asleep on the tracks. A second autopsy and grand jury probe, finding evidence of a knife wound and was punctured by dogged investigators whose efforts are repeatedly blocked by law enforcement officials. Although no one will ever be charged, the trail led into the penumbra of the Dixie Mafia and the Arkansas political machine. Some believe the boys died because they accidentally intercepted a drug drop, but othe information suggests the drop may have dispensed not drugs but cash, gold and platinum -- part of a series of sorties through which those working with US intelligence were being reimbursed. According to one version, the boys were blamed in order to cover up the theft of the drop by persons within the Dixie Mafia and Arkansas political machine. 8/23/87


Keith Coney

Keith McKaskle

Greg Collins



Jeff Rhodes







Richard Winters



Jordan Kettleson



James Milam

Boonie Bearden



Mike Samples
Motorcycle accident

Stabbing

Shotgun blast to face

Gunshot, body burned, some mutiliation including hands and feet partially sawed off


Shotgun blast



Shot to death in front seat of his pick-up

Decapitated

Vanished, believed murdered


Murdered


Nine persons reportedly had information on the Ives-Henry murders. McKaskle had expressed fear for his life of the "railroad track thing." Told his parents good-bye. Inmate reported being offered $4,000 to kill McKaskle. Collins death was ruled a suicide. Earlier he had failed to answer a subpoena before the Ives-Henry grand jury. Winters was a suspect in the murders. He was killed in what was initially thought to have been a robbery turned out to have been a set-up. Bearden was apparently murdered under mysterious circumstances March 1989.According to Micah Morrison in the Wall Street Journal, "he was a friend of both Greg Collins and Keith Coney. He 'vanished' without a trace. It was rumored he knew exactly what had happened at the tracks. An anonymous caller said he knew where he had been murdered. The police found a piece of a shirt, nothing more." Milam was found decapitated; nonetheless, the state medical examiner, Fahmy Malak - notorious for his curious rulings -- declared the death to be of natural causes. Mike Samples, murdered June 1995, was another grand jury witness in the train deaths. Wrote Morrison in the WSJ: "He was reported as knowing a great deal about the deaths of Ives and Henry. Sources say he had been involved with picking up drugs that were dropped out of planes at the Mena drop sites. He was shot to death in the head and was not found for some time."


Robert Bates Drank himself to death with mouthwash Mena Airport mechanic and a prospective witness in the Terry Reed case, allegedly drank himself to death on mouthwash.


Herby Branscum Car accident Arkansas bankers Herby Branscum and Robert Hill were tried on charges in connection with Clinton's 1990 gubernatorial campaign. They were acquitted on some, but a mistrial was declared on others. Branscum subsequently killed in a suspicious auto accident.


Eric Butera Murdered during drug sting An informant in the murder of White House intern Mary Mahoney. Assigned by DC police to make an undercover drug buy and was beaten to death.


Mohamed Samir Ferrat Airplane crash The Guardian of London, May 27, 1998: "Police are investigating the possibility that insurance fraud by a Swiss resident listed among the 230 people killed in the TWA Flight 800 explosion might have been behind the disaster, Swiss television reported last night. Swiss authorities have been investigating Algerian-born Mohammed Samir Ferrat, for 18 months, the report said. . . A Geneva lawyer, Gerald Page, alleged in an interview for the Swiss television report that Ferrat took out life insurance policies worth several million Swiss francs in the weeks before the plane crashed in July 1996, half an hour after taking off from New York . . . On August 19, a month after the crash, the local medical examiner in Suffolk County - in whose jurisdiction the disaster occurred - declared that Mohammed Ferrat had been positively identified as a dead passenger from TWA Flight 800. US investigators counted him out as a suspect early. . . The report showed footage of the late US commerce secretary, Ron Brown, at the Washington signing with Ferrat of a pounds 62.5 million contract between Sofin and the US construction firm Chatwick Inc, which was to build residences in the Ivory Coast." According to a CNN international report, Mohamed Samir Ferrat, an Algerian business associate of Secretary Brown, who was scheduled to accompany Brown on the Bosnian trip but withdrew at the last moment for reasons still unclear, died July 17, on the ill fated TWA Flight 800.


Carlos Ghigliotti Suicide Ghigliotti: 42, was found dead in his office just outside of Washington D.C. on April 28, 2000. Ghigliotti, a thermal imaging analyst hired by the House Government Reform Committee to review tape of the Waco siege, had said he determined the FBI fired shots during the incident. The FBI explained the light bursts on infrared footage as reflections of sun rays on shards of glass or other debris that littered the scene. "I conclude this based on the ground view videotapes taken from several different angles simultaneously and based on the overhead thermal tape," Ghigliotti told The Washington Post Ghigliotti said the tapes also confirm the Davidians fired repeatedly at FBI agents during the assault, which ended when flames raced through the compound.


Niko Jerkuic Suicide Chief Niko Jerkuic, technician in charge of the radio beacons used during the fatal Ron Brown flight committed suicide May 6, 1996. Christopher Ruddy and Hugh Sprunt wrote, "Brown's plane was probably relying on Croatian ground beacons for navigation. In the minutes before Brown's plane crashed, five other planes landed at Dubrovnik without difficulty, and none experienced problems with the beacons. But additional questions about the beacons and the crash will remain unanswered because, as the Air Force acknowledges, airport maintenance chief Niko Junic died by gunshot just three days after the crash and before he could be interviewed by investigators. Within a day of his death, officials determined the death was a suicide."


Shelly Kelly Air crash Shelly Kelly was the flight attendent on Ron Brown's ill fated flight (April 3, 1996) James Nugent of the Wall Street Underground wrote, "Four hours and 20 minutes after the crash, the first Croatian Special Forces search party arrives on the scene and finds only Ms. Kelly surviving. They call for a helicopter to evacuate her to the hospital. When it arrives, she is able to get aboard without assistance from the medics. But Kelly never completes the short hop. She dies enroute. According to multiple reports given to journalist/editor Joe L. Jordan, an autopsy later reveals a neat three-inch incision over her main femoral artery. It also shows that the incision came at least three hours after her other cuts and bruises."


Charles Wilbourne Miller Suicide Charles Wilbourne Miller, 63, was found dead of a gunshot wound to the head on November 17, 1998 in a shallow pit about 300 yards from his ranch house near Little Rock. Police found a .410 gauge shotgun near Miller's body and a Ruger .357-caliber revolver submerged in water. Investigators concluded the Ruger was the weapon used by Miller to kill himself. Yet, two rounds in the handgun's cylinder had been spent. He had long served as executive vice president and member of the board of directors for a company called Alltel and was deeply involved in his own software engineering company until the day he died. Alltel is the successor to Jackson Stephens' Systematics, the company that provided the software for the White House's "Big Brother" data base system and that was behind the administration's plan to develop the secret computer "Clipper" chip to bug every phone, fax and email transmission in America.


Dan Short Kidnapping and murder Short was a bank president, abducted from his home in Benton Co., Arkansas, in 1989 and allegedly forced to open the State Bank in Noel, MO were $71,000 was allegedly taken. Three days before his abduction, he had told friends that he had been laundering drug money and was in trouble.






194 posted on 01/20/2007 2:18:32 PM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO "We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good")
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To: gonewt; All

Hillary! is unelectable as president. There is literally no scenario in which this shrew can win the presidency. The electoral college prohibits it. There is simply zero chance of her gaining the 270 electoral votes required.

Count up the states where she even has a tiny chance of winning and see if it adds up to 270. It won't. She only won a Senate seat in NY because she didn't have anyone credible running against her. Rick Lazio? Where is he now? If Rudy hadn't dropped out due to his health, he would've handily beat her.

The only way she'll have any chance to win is if a Third Party pops up, ala Perot, who "gave" us Slick Willie, so if you want to be "worried" about something, worry about that! ;)


195 posted on 01/20/2007 2:26:44 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: gonewt
We also thought she'd self-destruct in her NY Senate campaigns.

NY is a VERY liberal state. She calculated that in her run. Why not run in say, Ill. where she is from? Or, Ark? No sure thing there. Couldn't run in Mass. , sorry already taken by a Kennedy and another lib. So....what to do? NY! That's the ticket. Voila! We have a Senator Hillary Rodam Clinton! Now the stage is set. All that is needed is the makeup. Call in the clowns, where are the clowns? Oh wait, there here.

196 posted on 01/20/2007 3:01:53 PM PST by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: Cementjungle

I have faith that she will screw the pooch, we have to give her enough rope to do the job.


197 posted on 01/20/2007 3:23:51 PM PST by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: HitmanLV

I need to start working on my new Hillary graphics, lol.


198 posted on 01/20/2007 3:57:19 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Hahaha! AWESOME! :-)


199 posted on 01/20/2007 3:57:56 PM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: HitmanLV

LOL. I got 2 new Pelosis, btw.


200 posted on 01/20/2007 3:59:13 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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