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TIME FOR A REVOLUTION
January 21, 2007 | John C. Dowell

Posted on 01/21/2007 4:36:07 AM PST by Semper

It is becoming painfully obvious and disturbing that our government is not functioning as it was intended. It is taking too much of our money and not doing nearly what it should be doing to keep us safe and free. It is time for another revolution to put us back on track – not a conventionally waged revolution – no one should be killed, at least not in a literal sense. Nothing should be destroyed except wrong ideas and wrongful practices. It should be a political revolution – with a new political party and a new kind of candidate.

We could officially declare the establishment of the FREE REPUBLIC Party – the first internet conceived and based political party. We could start at the top , the presidency. Let the two antiquated parties fight over congress – for now. We can have an internet primary and an internet compaign complete with debates, that is what we do after all. Our candidate would become well known when the media figures out the entertainment value in something like this. And, at the least, Jim would be recognized for the valuable contribution he has made to this country by the establishment of Free Republic.

There is much more to this idea but I am not going to get into those details at this time. I want to see what fellow freepers think about this idea. I am writing this on a plane coming back from a tour in a remote area of Afghanistan. I have been somewhat out of touch for several months so I will need more input before more specific details of this idea are offered. And, I might be a little out of the loop until established back in the states. I will be debriefing in the Washington DC area for the first part of the week and then traveling back home to California; but whatever, I hope this idea holds some value to Freepers.

And of course I would like to be a candidate for the Freeper primary for the Presidency of this great country. I know what a long shot this is but I would love the battle involved – I am a warrior after all. And please do not jump to conclusions regarding my positions on the relevant issues – war, abortion, taxes, imigration, etc. - I am still open to influence on these matters. But I know from first hand experience that we are not winning the war on terror. We need a Commander-in-Chief who knows more about war than the current president and those who appear to be possible candidates for his job. I will be happy to confront this and all other issues in freeper style if that turns out to be what is desired. For an election the ideas are not as important as the qualifications - for doing the job well, ideas are what counts. We need to consider both.

Semper


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To: StoneColdTaxHater
"The other issue with this idea is that the 2 major parties use emotion and lowest common denominator marketing to sell ideas they will never implement. In our dumbed down society this works for those with a 30 second attention span."

You are so right. Sound bites, pretty faces, emotional appeals and superficial information appears to be a winning formula. Critical thinking skills are in very short supply in this country.

101 posted on 01/21/2007 7:44:33 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Comus

RE # ## AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!


102 posted on 01/21/2007 7:45:14 AM PST by Plains Drifter (America First, Last, and Always!!!)
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To: Stallone

LOL. Good post.


103 posted on 01/21/2007 7:46:06 AM PST by Starboard
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To: humint
Hear, hear. I think it was DeToqueville (sp?) that said we would be a great nation only as long as we were a good people. Our entire system of laws is based on morals and values...you couldn't have one without them.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

104 posted on 01/21/2007 7:47:48 AM PST by wku man (Claire Wolfe's "awkward time" is quickly coming to an end!)
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To: NoGrayZone
Did'nt you ever want to tell Cindy to shut up and go home?

There is nothing that I could say to Cindy that would make any difference. This is a woman who was seen leaving the 1st Cav memorial without any emotion. Giving her air time to allow callers to insult her, cry over the phone, or try to reason with her is an effort in futility. It only gives her a voice. She is pathologically bitter and should be ignored.

105 posted on 01/21/2007 7:49:13 AM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: dirtboy
Yes I saw that flaw after I posted, I meant Moderate..of course.

Anyone who has viewed the latest data gathered by Pew Research will see that the 'Grass Roots' is rapidly shrinking. The 'Grass Roots', is now mostly moderate, independent/Swing voters.(left leaning)

This is why all those once seemingly conservative Reps, began becoming Rinos. They are under constant pressure from their constituency to legislate in the middle, even to the left.

Why did we lose Santorum, Allen, many good republican governors, etc,,,? Because the political spectrum is changing rapidly to the Left. A whole new generation is emerging who are very politically active. They are known as the "Least Republican Generation". This is the largest problem facing conservatives today, not a party that simply does not listen to them any more. Sadly, it's a fact.

I could post graphs, etc,, but most of you can verify what I am saying by going to pewresearch.com.
106 posted on 01/21/2007 7:54:55 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show you someone with bad knees)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Anyone who has viewed the latest data gathered by Pew Research will see that the 'Grass Roots' is rapidly shrinking.

Ah, so now I'm supposed to believe PEW RESEARCH to be truthful about the health of conservatism. That's a hoot.

107 posted on 01/21/2007 7:56:34 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter - I still like ya, but please read the 10th and get back to me regarding Congr pardons)
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To: NoGrayZone

I agree. Let's clean out the trash(RINO's) out of the GOP and then we won't need a third party that will surely fail.


108 posted on 01/21/2007 7:56:36 AM PST by nanook (Thomas Jefferson had it right.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Why did we lose Santorum, Allen, many good republican governors, etc,,,? Because the political spectrum is changing rapidly to the Left.

No, they lost because the GOP quit acting like Republicans. Votes HATE hypocrites.

109 posted on 01/21/2007 7:57:14 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter - I still like ya, but please read the 10th and get back to me regarding Congr pardons)
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To: armymarinemom

I see your point. Airing my grievance w/ her may not change a thing, but my voice was heard. There are too many people out there giving her airtime, but they do not allow anybody to oppose her. At least Sean gives us the opportunity. That's all I ask for.


110 posted on 01/21/2007 7:57:38 AM PST by NoGrayZone
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To: nanook

Amen to that!!!!


111 posted on 01/21/2007 7:58:16 AM PST by NoGrayZone
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To: NoGrayZone

Actually, THEUPMAN gets credit for that idea! (I dont know how to change the fonts!!!)


112 posted on 01/21/2007 7:59:48 AM PST by NoGrayZone
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To: dirtboy

You can believe what you want but facts are facts.

Pew is reputable and nonpartisan. Their data is what gave most pundits the data that helped them make the predictions they did this last election.

They are not MSM poll driven.


113 posted on 01/21/2007 8:00:09 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show you someone with bad knees)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Pew is reputable and nonpartisan. Pew is reputable and nonpartisan.

Please tell me what you smoked for breakfast this morning.

114 posted on 01/21/2007 8:01:56 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter - I still like ya, but please read the 10th and get back to me regarding Congr pardons)
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To: bert
So? If it takes a Hilldebeast administration to pull this nation's collective head out of its collective a**, I say bring it on. Its obvious our nation didn't learn the lessons of 9-11, or of an 8-year reign of terror under the first Klintoon administration, and its obvious the GOP didn't learn the lessons of this last election. If it takes another Communist in the WH, another congressional spanking, or another attack (much worse than the first) on our nation, I say let it happen today. I'm not into prolonging agony. A quick bullet to the head is much better than a slow, painful death by poisoning.

Sooner or later we've got to quit thinking in a two-party political box and find leaders who will lead us back to the plan our Foundihng Fathers laid out for us. Either that or we will cease having a country at all.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

115 posted on 01/21/2007 8:02:10 AM PST by wku man (Claire Wolfe's "awkward time" is quickly coming to an end!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

How did you know that I have bad knees.


116 posted on 01/21/2007 8:02:43 AM PST by nanook (Thomas Jefferson had it right.)
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To: dirtboy
No, it's these people who quit 'acting' like Republicans. They are now voting in huge numbers, more so now than ever before. (They call themselves independents)
117 posted on 01/21/2007 8:04:09 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show you someone with bad knees)
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To: dirtboy

Like I told you before, time will prove who is right here, but saw this trend coming over a year ago.

This is why the Democrats won so big. They have picked up on this dynamic.


118 posted on 01/21/2007 8:06:24 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show you someone with bad knees)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
I hate to tell you this, but the decline is within the MOE for the poll.

And as I have said, voters hate hypocrites. When the GOP says they are for tax cuts and fiscal discipline but turn around and bust the budget, voters notice that.

119 posted on 01/21/2007 8:07:21 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter - I still like ya, but please read the 10th and get back to me regarding Congr pardons)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
No, it's these people who quit 'acting' like Republicans.

Did they quit "acting" like republicans?

120 posted on 01/21/2007 8:08:32 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
Realistically, it's always easier to get people united against a common threat than for a common goal. I think the membership was much more unified in the beginning because the Democrats were in power. Since the Republicans came into majority there has been a perception that the "conservatives" are now in control of the political power, and we've fallen into factious squabbling over how it's ought to be wielded. IMHO.

Very well said.

121 posted on 01/21/2007 8:08:33 AM PST by MACVSOG68
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
This is why the Democrats won so big. They have picked up on this dynamic.

They won big because the GOP failed to give voters a reason to keep them in power. When you say we are at war but load up war appropriation bills with earmarks, voters have a hard time taking you seriously.

122 posted on 01/21/2007 8:08:38 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter - I still like ya, but please read the 10th and get back to me regarding Congr pardons)
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To: longtermmemmory
100% waste of time.

That's what people were telling Washington, Jefferson, Adams, etc..etc..etc...

123 posted on 01/21/2007 8:09:39 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: dirtboy
Remember boys there's only two things the white man cares about in this country.
What time the game comes on on Sunday.
Is there enough propane to barbecue.
124 posted on 01/21/2007 8:13:58 AM PST by Plains Drifter (America First, Last, and Always!!!)
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To: Semper

"It would have to be someone who is moderate and open to any view no matter what side of the political environment"

Why bother, we already have McCain, Rudy,Romney,Gingrich, I'd say there are too many moderates already.


125 posted on 01/21/2007 8:13:59 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: dirtboy

Like I said before, most voters don't pay attention to much of anything but what the MSM tells them. They also don't pay attention to the candidates until the last two weeks before the election.

This third party pipe dream will only guarantee another Democrat victory in '08. It is nothing new. It's been tried and failed repeatedly throughout our history.

Each new generation seems to think that they are the exception to the rule. They think it failed in the past because it simply just wasn't handled with the right approach or it was the wrong people doing it. The results are always the same.


126 posted on 01/21/2007 8:14:36 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show you someone with bad knees)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Like I said before, most voters don't pay attention to much of anything but what the MSM tells them.

Ah, so that's why Reagan could never get his message across. /sarcasm

Sorry, but the GOP gave the MSM and the Dems the hammer to hit them with. You can pretend otherwise, but that is clear.

127 posted on 01/21/2007 8:16:02 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter - I still like ya, but please read the 10th and get back to me regarding Congr pardons)
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To: dirtboy

Reagan left office 19 years and was last elected 23 years ago. Much has changed since then. There is a whole new generation of voter who has been indoctrinated by the Public Schools system. They number in the millions and they are considered the most politically active group of their age in recent history.

The only way to appeal to them is with a moderate approach


128 posted on 01/21/2007 8:21:32 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show you someone with bad knees)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

There is already a so called "moderate party" the Rats. Please join them.


129 posted on 01/21/2007 8:24:42 AM PST by VRWC For Truth (Defeat the traitor McCain for President. Job #1.)
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To: VRWC For Truth
There is already a so called "moderate party" the Rats. Please join them.

Many already have and you're still encouraging division?

130 posted on 01/21/2007 8:27:50 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Plains Drifter

"Remember boys there's only two things the white man cares about in this country.
What time the game comes on on Sunday.
Is there enough propane to barbecue."

What about the beer supply? Come to think of it, I'm at the re-order point right now. Better get ready for this afternoon's playoff games.


131 posted on 01/21/2007 8:31:10 AM PST by Starboard
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To: VRWC For Truth
That was a brilliant response....

You can Challenge my Conservatism or try to insult me because I am against a third-party effort if you like but facts are facts. In the past, I voted for Nixon, Ford,(a RINO but the only choice) REAGAN, HW BUSH and BUSH 43. I don't think I'll be jumping parties any time soon.

It's obvious that Conservatives are now in the minority. Get over it and get together so we can win in '08. In short, quit complaining and join the effort.
132 posted on 01/21/2007 8:33:21 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show you someone with bad knees)
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To: ml/nj
I want a government that makes lobbying illegal.

Sounds like you've been brainwashed by a liberal.

If you can obtain a government that stays to it's constitution and doesn't meddle in other matters, you won't need lobbyists.

133 posted on 01/21/2007 8:37:08 AM PST by tertiary01 (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".)
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To: tacticalogic
Realistically, it's always easier to get people united against a common threat

You have placed your finger right on the Democrats entire playbook. And you have placed your finger as well on the Balkanization of the GOP. The Democrats have learned that people in America today are highly preoccupied with lives that don't allow for them to even find the time for basic needs (like raising their own children, cleaning their own house or preparing their own food). What down time is left in people's lives from highly demanding jobs and a highly complicated society (with highly complicated family lives) is not liable to be reserved for educating yourself and applying yourself to policy or civics.

The Democrats are better grasping the truly tuned-out, turned-off society: Their politics are based on creating ogres and then hating them with great passion...publicly. Hate can be understood quickly, with minimum effort or time expended in understanding it. It's easy to demonize and foment hate -- it's been a classic political tactic of demogogues for millenia. For the Democrats they foment the hatred of easy marks like religious conservatives ("wanting to tell everyone else how they should live"), of the white male taxpayer ("greedy bastard, put where he is by the old boys club, sitting around in his 50th floor office telling you how to make him more money"), and of course, George Bush ("killing your sons and daughters for his own profit and that of his buddies and friends" "he's a dunce, he's stupid and he's greedy").

Hate is something that doesn't take time or energy - so for the voter with very little time and very little energy, very little interest or with a chip on their shoulder about their place in life, hate is just speaking to them in their own language.

134 posted on 01/21/2007 8:41:52 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Semper
I have a better idea.

The Republican Party still holds some semblence of an organization which shares our conservative values. The Party Platform demonstrates this. The make up of the grassroots members of the Party show this also.

So, why is the GOP not working towards the more conservative goals contained in its platform and shared by its low level members? That is because the leadership of the party ignore the Platform and the wishes of its members and are working for on a completely different set of goals and ideals. They have a different agenda entirely.

The GOP is still the best vehicle for meeting our conservative goals. The party is already established, the fund raising and campaigning appratus is in place, and the a great deal of its grassroots members are conservative. So, how do we fix the problem with the leadership?

We still need to work within the system but we need to do a better job of it and use the Internet (as you suggested) to become better organized.

First, each and every person who shares our conservative ideas here should become a Republican Precinct Committeman. Right now is the time to find out how to do that in your district or precinct so that you're ready in 2008 (the next election) to get elected to PC. If you're lucky, a PC slot in your precinct is vacant and you may be able to just get appointed to it. However, depending upon the Republican Party bylaws in your area, you won't be a voting PC until you actually get elected. But, even so, you can still attend the party meetings, make your voice heard (carefully until you get elected) and start to learn how things work in your county and state parties.

You also need to be recruiting like-minded PCs. A good place to do this is in some of the more conservative-minded churches. Many churches encourage their members to get involved in civics in order to fight the evil that pervades our society (abortion, promiscuity, gay marriage, Hollywood obscenity, attacks on Christianity in the public square, etc). But the members really don't know where to start. If you can get a Pastor, Priest or whomever is in charge to let you come in and do some voter registration and PC recruitment, that's where you start. Now, when you're doing this you have to also, by law, sign up Democrats and such. But that's not as big of a problem as you may first think.

If you've selected the church carefully, you already know that most of the members who register to vote are going to be somewhat conservative and want to register Republican and will make good Republican PCs. Those who register Democrat and to whom you give info and they end up as Democrat PCs will likely, after a short time, become disgusted with what they see the Democrats doing. The Dems radical pro-abort, pro-gay agenda, etc. stuff the Dems will be talking about and doing will cause the faithful church-goers to turn away and possibly switch parties. At the very least, the church-goer will be a moderating voice in local Dem politics and that's not such a bad thing either. But these will be a minority of what you get if you learn how to do this right.

To properly recruit the PCs from those you're talking to and registering is to have a map of all the precincts in your county. You also need a list of the precincts showing the PCs in each and the vacancies highlighted. It also should help to have the liberal RINO PCs you want out of their position highlighted so that you can target them. If you become a PC or just start attending all of the Republican meetings in your area, you'll soon learn who the liberal RINOs are and who you need to target to eliminate the liberals and pack the party with conservatives.

This is not a quick process and will likely take years of work. In my county, we've pushed out most of the liberal RINO PCs but we're a rural county which gets pushed around by the larger, metropolitan area counties. Most of the rural counties in my state have conservative majorities in party positions but the metro counties have a bunch of liberal RINOs. It makes for some interesting state GOP conventions but the conservatives have lately been getting some of their people elected at state level in the party despite the efforts of the better financed RINOs.

Which leads me to the next step. You will need to organize your recruited PCs. You need to keep them informed along with all of the other conservative PCs that you've found that are already in place. Keep them informed about county politics and what is going on and when to show up to vote for what. Vote as a block. Use the Internet to get the word out about upcoming meetings and what the conservatives are planning. Sponsor resolutions that the conservatives are ready to vote as a block to pass. When you get enough conservatives, and you find a worthy conservative candidate for county party chairman, then you get him voted into office.

Remember, there are two types of PCs. Those who get involved and those who just vote at mandatory meetings. You can save the vote-only PCs a lot of trouble by offering to carry their proxy so they don't even have to show up. Get your other conservative PCs to gather proxies too.

Be ready, however, for the liberal RINOs to pull out all the stops, spend a bunch of money, and fling all kinds of dung at your guy. That's what they do when they're challenged. They'll start whisper campaigns, spread rumors, etc. Be ready for that. Counter it by keeping in constant touch with your conservative PCs, keeping good relations with the PCs that fall in the middle, and being the best at getting info out to everyone. A website, a good mailing list (email and snail mail) and some money are how to do this.

Money. Yes, that's a problem. You'll have to figure out some ways to get that. But a website and email and other Internet means of communication are free or dirt cheap. Snail mail is a different issue and printing costs for professional looking literature can become prohibitive. You'll have to be creative in legally obtaining funds. You could start a conservative club and hold fundraisers. You could find a wealthy conservative who would be willing to pay some of the costs. If something gets organized nationally or at a state level, this could become easier.

Next comes the state conventions. This is where the state party leadership is elected. You need to make sure that all of your conservative PCs are signed up as or elected as delegates to the state convention. You all show up to vote as a block and carry as many proxies as you can get for those who are elected but don't want to attend.

Now, you've got a little power. If you've got the county chairman, he's likely got a seat on the state party's executive committee. Get him working with the other conservative county leaders to make changes at that level. If you can get enough counties to emulate what you've been doing in your county, you'll have enough votes at state convention time to make a difference.

At the state convention you can vote for the conservative resolution and get conservatives elected as state chairman. It is critical that you elect a conservative national committeeman. He is your state representative to the Republican National Committee. It is the national committeeman who get together and vote on the chairman of the RNC.

A "Revolution" is for the impatient and it will fail. A third party is not a good idea, not practical, etc. We have to get organized within the Republican Party and boot out the liberals who have taken over the leadership of the party. We need to organize this on a national level (tracking our progress in each individual county and state and coordinating and fundraising) on a mission-oriented forum and website.

I'd flesh this idea out some more, but I've got to get ready and go to church. There is an organization in my state that is essentially doing what I stated here and had some success. Randy Pullen is the result of this. He was elected as national committeeman 2 years ago, has been making waves at the national level, and is about to be elected state chairman. The biggest county party in my state now is dominated by conservatives and recently made news by voting John McCain as the most undesirable Republican presidential candidate and Duncan Hunter as the favorite. Last year, they voted to censure John McCain.

We need to emulate what they're doing and do it nationally. Let's get started. If Jim Robinson is willing, we could do it here. But we have to be able to keep the liberals and RINO disruptors away from what we're doing. They've done enough damage to the party and the nation, we don't need them sabotaging our efforts.

135 posted on 01/21/2007 8:42:09 AM PST by Spiff (Death before Dhimmitude)
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To: DNME

What I would suggest is to state some goals that you (we) would like to accomplish. Then come up with some strategies to accomplish those goals. And finally access each strategy's cost and pick the one that you want to accomplish. IMHO.

Based on historical perspectives, third parties don't do too well in the US.


136 posted on 01/21/2007 8:45:57 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends we need a 800 ship Navy.)
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To: DNME

We might as well try to start a third party. The Republicans may never get their power back.


137 posted on 01/21/2007 8:50:33 AM PST by nygoose
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To: All

It would take a few national voting cycles to properly develop and sell a 3rd party that is capable of competing on the national stage. It could take hold by 2016 but it would split the current Republican party adn insure Democratic dominance for perhaps the first half of this century. IMHO this nation - in fact, the world - cannot endure that.

I tend to agree with those who believe it is best to prepare a candidate to rally REAL conservatives principles back to the Republican party.

It simply will not happen in 2008. It is too late. We are headed for a shift to Democratic rule until at least 2012, and probably 2016. Yes, the media is partly to blame, but a lot of us need to look in the mirror to find the guilt.

Unfortunately this country is going to pay a major price for the decisions it recently made.

This FR movement should track the path of absolute chaos that WILL emerge from the Democrat rule over the next 4-8 years. It is going to be horrendous, particularly in the critical areas of national security, defense, and taxes. Trust me, after a cycle of two of Democrats controlling things there will be a national cry for SERIOUS CHANGE.

Basically, we will see a repeat of 1976-1980. Reagan made a big push in 1976 and then was THE MAN in 1980. The late 70's were primarily painful for economic reasons, communist aggression, and the Iran uprising in 1979 that made America look weak.

History tends to repeat itself. The political pendulum swings from liberal to conservative about evey 30 years.
These next 6-10 years will see the pain of increasing terrorist attacks inside our borders while Democrats fiddle with diplomacy and make nice gestures, gutting the military and national security measures, huge tax increases, and a frightening internal moral decay.

The goal should be find a candidate NOW that espouses those real conservative values and can launch his/her name into the mainstream in 2012 with the goal of actually winning it all in 2016. So that person is in the age range of 40-55 today and could hopefully seize the White House in 9 years.

Then of course have an 8 year run, and have a VP that continues the effort in 2024.


138 posted on 01/21/2007 8:51:06 AM PST by boss man
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To: wku man

My view is that you don't understand our system.

We tolerate all views and to accomodate the diversity and allow any one that can come up with support and money to participate. This is done within the loose organization of two parties. Each attracts coalitions of common agendas. The coalition with the greatest support gets nominated in the primary.

What you propose is rather backward and is practiced by the small and third world democracies where there are multiple parlimentary coalitions that must find a majority post election to rule. They continuously screw up and don't succeed very well.

In America there have been lots of efforts such as you suggest but they are mostly hot air and no substance. They always fail and they always will fail.


139 posted on 01/21/2007 8:55:54 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. .... It's spit on a lefty day.)
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To: wku man

My view is that you don't understand our system.

We tolerate all views and to accomodate the diversity and allow any one that can come up with support and money to participate. This is done within the loose organization of two parties. Each attracts coalitions of common agendas. The coalition with the greatest support gets nominated in the primary.

What you propose is rather backward and is practiced by the small and third world democracies where there are multiple parlimentary coalitions that must find a majority post election to rule. They continuously screw up and don't succeed very well.

In America there have been lots of efforts such as you suggest but they are mostly hot air and no substance. They always fail and they always will fail.


140 posted on 01/21/2007 8:56:02 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. .... It's spit on a lefty day.)
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To: tertiary01
If you can obtain a government that stays to it's constitution and doesn't meddle in other matters, you won't need lobbyists.

This is called reasoning from a false hypothesis.

ML/NJ

141 posted on 01/21/2007 8:57:57 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

My other hypothesis is that you are a lobbyist in fear of your job.


142 posted on 01/21/2007 8:59:56 AM PST by tertiary01 (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".)
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To: Dudoight; kenth
I want a government that makes lobbying illegal.

Huh? lobbying is at the essence of our Republic, without it, we have an oligarchy. You as a citizen have the very basic right to petition government, ie lobby. Likewise, you have the inalienable right to organize with like minded individuals (see 1st Amendment) and petition government en masse to better make your voices heard. I can't believe we have serious calls on FR to make this practice enshrined in the constitution illegal.

143 posted on 01/21/2007 9:00:14 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Suzy Quzy; Dudoight; kenth

I suspect that neither one of them have the slightest clue as to what they are genuinely suggesting.


144 posted on 01/21/2007 9:02:39 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Semper

Yep--the time HAS come--1984 HAS also come....AND GONE--so what?????


145 posted on 01/21/2007 9:09:20 AM PST by gunnyg
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
Create a truly Conservative Cable Network.

It's been done. Paul Weyrich created N.E.T. in the early-mid 90's, which later became America's Voice and finally Amvoice. N.E.T. stood for National Empowerment Television. It rocked, but it made no money. Which of course is the problem. How many people want a political channel of any stripe? The answer of course is very few. There is simply not enough money in the venture.

146 posted on 01/21/2007 9:11:13 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Melas

Well, keep offending. The knuckleheads, and all kinds of emotionally driven ideas, have sprouted like mushrooms since the election.


147 posted on 01/21/2007 9:11:37 AM PST by muleskinner
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To: KeepUSfree

Well said.


148 posted on 01/21/2007 9:14:13 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Dudoight
I want wars waged to win.

How about no wars except for the right reason, which is not anything seen recently.

149 posted on 01/21/2007 9:14:17 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Semper
Did this post get a Vanity Alert?
150 posted on 01/21/2007 9:15:40 AM PST by muleskinner
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