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Room for More: Population Is Declining
CatholicExchange.com ^ | 01-19-07 | Patti Maguire Armstrong

Posted on 01/21/2007 7:41:49 AM PST by Salvation

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To: cripplecreek

I don't know what you're talking about. Perhaps you might consider taking a break.


41 posted on 01/21/2007 9:03:47 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Salvation
Maybe the overall population of the world is decreasing, but the overall population of the Muslim world is increasing.

That's the number I worry about. And so should all other non-Muslims.

42 posted on 01/21/2007 9:06:54 AM PST by Gritty (You can't be a redneck European with 1.1 birth rates as there are no sisters to bunk up with-M Steyn)
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To: Salvation

Population is not declining.


43 posted on 01/21/2007 9:07:37 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: trisham
Why not have more people?

And not just the Hispanics or Muslims, mind you.....is that a good enough reason for you? LOL!


Those are the adversarial words of "Salvation". All I did was asked a simple question of why we need a half billion people.
44 posted on 01/21/2007 9:09:16 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: cripplecreek

How is that accusing you of racism?


45 posted on 01/21/2007 9:11:25 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Salvation
During the sixties and seventies, massive famine due to our dwindling ability to feed ourselves was supposed to be just around the corner.

Make no mistake, there have been massive famines and will be more. In the early 1960s there was a famine in China in which (as the Chinese government admitted long afterward) some 30 million people died. Although this figure greatly exceeds the death toll of the Holocaust, I am convinced it's well short of the truth. This was not caused by overpopulation; it was caused by Communism.

46 posted on 01/21/2007 9:18:07 AM PST by Christopher Lincoln
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To: Christopher Lincoln
This was not caused by overpopulation; it was caused by Communism.

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Excellent point.

47 posted on 01/21/2007 9:21:34 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: sit-rep

>With the amount of national debt accumulating, they are going to need a heavy tax base in years to come to pay for it.<

The problem I see with immigration is that we are permitting the under and uneducated entry across our borders therefore these people will not be paying much in taxes. Probably not even enough to support the social services that the others are receiving.

Look at what has happened to our insurance for cars and medical care in the past 8 years. You and I insure our cars, most of them don't. The number of hit and runs has risen dramatically in areas that are heavily infected with these people in the past decade. The cost of an ambulance has gone up 30% in 7 years in my area.

Then when you add in the law enforcement and prison costs I know we are going further in debt because of illegal aliens.


48 posted on 01/21/2007 9:25:58 AM PST by B4Ranch (Press "1" for English, or Press "2" and you will be disconnected until you learn to speak English.)
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To: cripplecreek

"Is there some reason I should believe that we need more people?"

Yes - there are several reasons. Here are three:

First, it will maintain our culture and heritage. We have much to be proud of here in the US. It must me maintained. We've helped save the world a couple of times. We will need to again.

Second, there are not enough young people to maintain our current system of entitlement programs in the US. The ratio of workers to retirees has shifted greatly.

Third, more people makes us all wealthier, not poorer. More population in a socialist country (China) makes them poorer, but that is not so in a capitalistic system. Just the opposite in fact.


49 posted on 01/21/2007 9:27:15 AM PST by cowtowney
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To: cowtowney

You almost sound like you actually believed that.


50 posted on 01/21/2007 9:29:45 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Mrs.Z

I am not going to tell you the stories about how todays children walk away from their elder parents these days because I type too slowly.

Kids grabbing their parents money and put them in rest homes that are under state supervision. Me, me, me and let the governemnt take care of Mom and Pop is the base of the stories I can tell.


51 posted on 01/21/2007 9:33:34 AM PST by B4Ranch (Press "1" for English, or Press "2" and you will be disconnected until you learn to speak English.)
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To: raybbr

I guess they want the "red area" to work and pay for the retirement benefits for those who are left in the "green area". Maybe..??

Regards,
Star Traveler


52 posted on 01/21/2007 9:37:00 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: cowtowney
>Second, there are not enough young people to maintain our current system of entitlement programs in the US.<

Have you noticed how many corporations have left the US in the last decade thanks to globalism. Over 700! Where do you think that those jobs went thanks to GATT, NAFTA and these damn trade agreements?

You sound as if you are concerned that you may not receive your entitlements. Anyone who depended on the government to take care of them in their later years is going to find out just what a sad job is being done.

53 posted on 01/21/2007 9:40:14 AM PST by B4Ranch (Press "1" for English, or Press "2" and you will be disconnected until you learn to speak English.)
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To: cripplecreek

"You almost sound like you actually believed that."

I do. They are facts, whether you like it or not.

For someone who seemed to want a serious answer to your question; you got one. You can disagree, but no need to be a smart ass.


54 posted on 01/21/2007 9:43:33 AM PST by cowtowney
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To: cowtowney
"Second, there are not enough young people to maintain our current system of entitlement programs in the US. The ratio of workers to retirees has shifted greatly."

We need to end most entitlement programs, not reproduce to support same.

55 posted on 01/21/2007 9:53:31 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: B4Ranch

"You sound as if you are concerned that you may not receive your entitlements. Anyone who depended on the government to take care of them in their later years is going to find out just what a sad job is being done."

I don't like government entitlements. I don't need government entitlements. But, thanks for your concern, Dad. You are projecting your distaste for these issues on me.

Globalism has helped the US create jobs, not reduce jobs. I'm not quite sure how this issue is that correlated to the population discussion, though.

The change in our demographics and our current entitlements are headed for a disaster, whether you like the entitlements or not. There are simply not enough young people being born and there are too many boomers who are living a long time.


56 posted on 01/21/2007 9:54:31 AM PST by cowtowney
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

"We need to end most entitlement programs, not reproduce to support same."

I agree. Particularly, Medicare.

Any suggestions?


57 posted on 01/21/2007 9:55:58 AM PST by cowtowney
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To: cowtowney
First, it will maintain our culture and heritage.

I have to ask. How is importing 80% of new immigrants from a culture(hispanic) unlike ours "maintaining our culture"? Have you not been paying attention to the changes our culture has already undergone?

Don't give me the "they're better than muslims" argument either. Both are equally destructive to the culture we currently enjoy.

58 posted on 01/21/2007 10:01:58 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: B4Ranch
And Mexico is seeing a decrease in population. So aren't you stating the obvious?

Actually, Mexico's population is increasing by more than 1% per year (a rate at which it would double in 70 years). https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/mx.html

59 posted on 01/21/2007 10:02:07 AM PST by megatherium
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To: raybbr

"How is importing 80% of new immigrants from a culture(hispanic) unlike ours "maintaining our culture"?"

I didn't say anything about immigrants. This discussion is about having babies. Why Americans need people to have more babies. What the benefits are, etc.

Criminey... FR seems to have more and more people who can't read and who pop off with the usual knee jerk anti-immigrant argument, no matter what the present topic.


60 posted on 01/21/2007 10:07:40 AM PST by cowtowney
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