Posted on 01/22/2007 8:42:13 AM PST by Reagan Man
Perish the thought that RWR was political in any sense of the word. /s
He was a political genius and that helped to make him the greatest POTUS of my lifetime.
I like Reagan, but it's Bush, who hasn't backed down in the face of so much criticism, who I really admired. Reagan really should have gone after the jihadists after the bombing of our barracks in Lebanon.
like s/b liked. Sheesh - I can't type today.
I never mentioned Bush. On the abortion issue, Dubya happens to be a strong pro-lifer. Just like Reagan, Bush supports the three exceptions for abortion. As do most pro-lifers. Bush has never wavered on his abortion position and even revived many of Reagan's executive orders and Presidential edicts from the 1980`s that limited abortion rights.
The historic facts are quite clear. Roe v Wade changed the moral, ethical and political landscape when it came to the abortion issue. Reagan opposed abortion on demand and became America's first pro-life POTUS, in the post Roe v Wade age.
>>>>>But keep pretending that Reagan was the only true conservative. Most freepers are well onto you by now.
Never said Reagan was the only true conservative. That is sillytalk. On the abortion issue, however, Reagan was the father of the pro-life movement [by Fred Barnes]. Rudy Giuliani supports abortion on demand. Mitt Romney is a flip-flopper on the abortion issue. Remarks by Reagan, Giuliani and Romney on the abortion issue speak to the historic facts as they are written down.
I like President Bush, too! In fact, I think he's made of steel and courage and he's had a rougher time than RWR. I resent the h out of the small faction here who tear one down to build up the other. Pitiful, isn't it? I think RWR would be ashamed of those persons.
How the hell do you know that Mitt Romney became pro life for political expediency? Oh, that's right, you don't.
1994 while debating Ted the Swimmer - Romney was pro-choice to the max - said he was pro-Roe before Roe was cool.
2007 - running for the GOP nomination - Romney is pro-life.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence that his views coincide with the office he is seeking. And we're just silly to question that minor detail.
As to historic facts, the historic fact is that Reagan signed the most liberal abortion policy in the country at the time. The most LIBERAL. I don't know which part of that you don't get. No one else was signing legislation like that but him. Deal with it. It increased abortion on demand. He let the geenie out of the bottle.
Then he turned around and gave us 2 liberal judges who further let the geenie out of the bottle.
And I can see it's just fine with you that former Democrat Ronald Reagan signed the most liberal abortion legislation in the entire country but later changed his mind about abortion but you can't accept the fact that Mitt has changed his mind about abortion. You're a one note Johnnie.
You have a great day ignoring the facts. I'll just smile through the rest of the day knowing that there's no denying what I just wrote, no matter how hard you try. Enjoy!
I'm sure it's just coincidence that Ronald Reagan used to be a democrat and signed the most liberal abortion legislation in the issue before changing his mind too. /s
Age has nothing to do with the issue. If you read what I posted, you'd better understand the abortion issue as it relates to both Reagan and Romney. The SCOTUS decision in Roe v Wade changed America. Mitt Romney was "for" abortion in 1970! Then changed his position in 2005. Its pretty clear why Romney changed his position. Political expediency was the ONLY factor. To say it was due to other factors, isn't being honest.
You missed my point entirely, but never mind.
RWR would be ashamed of them. Deeply ashamed. I know you like Bush too; I was just saying, for presidential timber, he's the one for me.
bbl - I have to go do some stuff with Mr. P and I'm just smiling that some freepers (not you) just can't admit the truth about Reagan. He was great. But he wasn't perfect. LOL
Reagan's conservative epiphanies did not coincide with the office he was seeking.
I love how you snark at Bush critics but have no problem ripping Ronald Reagan when it suits you.
Post 31: RWR would be ashamed of them. Deeply ashamed.
You want it both ways, don't you?
http://www.opinionjournal.com/ac/?id=110004264
The most telling example of conservative indifference to the abortion issue occurred in California. In 1967, then-Gov. Ronald Reagan signed a bill that virtually decriminalized abortion. At the time, Mr. Reagan was troubled by the passionate lobbying against the bill by Cardinal Francis McIntyre. But on the advice of two of his most conservatives advisers, Ed Meese and Lyn Nofziger, Mr. Reagan signed anyway. He persuaded himself that the measure would have little impact. Instead, it prompted a surge in abortions.
Roe v. Wade changed the terms of the abortion debate, but not instantly. At first, conservatives were more upset by the decision's dubious legal reasoning and its creation of a new constitutional right unmentioned in the Constitution itself than by the actual impact. But it soon became clear that the supposedly complicated three-trimester scheme laid out in the ruling wasn't really so complicated. It meant abortion on demand, and the number of abortions soared into the millions.
Roe v. Wade had moved America into a dark new world. Defending the decision, radical feminists insisted that an unborn child was no more valuable as human life than a wart. A lucrative abortion industry grew up. The Democratic Party endorsed an unfettered right to an abortion in its 1980 platform.
Messrs. Reagan and Hyde were among the first Republicans to have strong misgivings. Within a year after signing the abortion bill, Mr. Reagan told political writer Lou Cannon that he'd never have done so if he'd been more experienced in office. It was "the only time as governor or president that Reagan acknowledged a mistake on major legislation," Mr. Cannon writes in his new book, "Governor Reagan: His Rise to Power." By 1980, Mr. Reagan was campaigning for president in favor of banning abortion in all but rare cases.
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First - Reagan got bad advice before signing the bill.
Second - he realized it was a mistake to sign the bill a year later.
Third - he did not wait to become pro-life in 1975 when he started to seek the presidency.
I'm one who's against both.
Its no secret that I oppose most of Bush`s domestic policy agenda and his ideas of big government Republicanism. I oppose ALL liberalism. Comparing the current crop of GOP wannabes for 2008, with the gold standard of conservative Presidents is not unusual. Why object?
>>>>As to historic facts, the historic fact is that Reagan signed the most liberal abortion policy in the country at the time.
I know that and said so in my post at #9.
"Reagan did regret signing the liberal 1967 California abortion rights act, which specifically centered around the three exceptions."
You're missing the whole point. What was liberal in 1967, in reality today, is considered the norm for most pro-lifers. Bottomline, Reagan was a conservative. Romney`s record doesn't look very conservative to me. Giuliani is a liberal. Of the big four John McCain and Newt Gingrich are pro-life. But Newt is not a candidate at this time.
I got your point. You believe Reagan changed his position on abortion. Why can't Romney. Difference. Reagan wasn't doing it out of political expediency. Romney changed his position on abortion ONLY for political expediency and nothing else.
Come on now, dirtboy. The desperate housewives of Free Republic don't need a good raeson to trash anyone. They do whatever they want to do and post whatever suits them. Even if its wrong. Actually, I'm convinced they hated Reagan and still do.
Ooooh. Written by someone who sounds jealous of a woman who got to retire at 41, live on a golf course with her own pool and freep to her hearts content. Tsk tsk. Reagan didn't believe in class envy. Rather classless of you to forget that.
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