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Daily Light ^ | January 22, 2007 | JOANN LIVINGSTON

Posted on 01/23/2007 6:36:01 AM PST by hedgetrimmer

A coalition to stop the Trans-Texas Corridor voiced its concerns Sunday in Austin, citing border security and gun rights as key issues not being addressed.

The large crowd in attendance at the meeting represented a cross section of Texans and included a veterans group out of Houston.

“We didn’t fight a war so our government could give away our land,” said ret. Col. Sam Horton of Houston.

World War II veteran, ret. Col. Arthur Peterson of Houston, said national security is at stake because the Gov. Rick Perry-supported transportation project would help erase borders between the United States and Mexico and Canada.

The TTC is part of a plan to create a North American Union, Peterson said, citing the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America that was entered into by President Bush during a meeting with Mexican President Vincent Fox and then-Canadian Prime Minster Paul Martin on March 23, 2005.

“As to what kind of union might there be, I see one based upon free trade, that would then entail commitment to markets and democracy, transparency, rule of law,” Bush told media after that meeting.

“Their plan is to have the North American Union in place by 2010,” Peterson said. “It would be like the European Union.”

Common currency with Canada and Mexico and trial courts and tribunals that supersede any U.S. court - including the U.S. Supreme Court - are in America’s future if its citizenry doesn’t say “no” and say “no” now, Peterson said.

“We fought in wars with weapons,” the 36-year war veteran said. “Now we’re fighting with words, e-mails and letters. The key to the TTC is it must be stopped. It’s a bad deal. It’s bad for Texas.”

Eagle Forum’s Gina Parker Ford noted the diversity of the several hundred people who gathered Sunday.

“We don’t have an ‘R’ (for Republican) or a ‘D’ (for Democrat) on us today … . Each one of us has a heart of courage,” she said, saying her concerns include seeing, “the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer and the middle class getting smaller.”

Ford said the TTC was just one of many objectives set by those wanting to create a North American Union that would have common borders and superseding courts.

U.S. citizens have the right to bear arms under the country’s constitution, Ford said, noting however that Mexican and Canadian citizens do not. With common borders and superseding courts, that right is in jeopardy, she said, discussing other research that has been done into the Bush- and Perry-driven proposals.

“We can expect to see these rights challenged,” she said.

“This all adds up to not only more and bigger government, but to the establishment of a un-elected mega-government (the North American Union),” she said, noting there was no congressional oversight - and no Senate treaty approval - over the Security and Prosperity Partnership entered into by Bush.

Ford cautioned that Bush isn’t addressing border security because plans have been announced for an “open borders/trusted traveler” program that would set up a common identification card to the three countries. That, she said, quoting Phyllis Schlafly, would “turn the U.S. into a boarding house for the world’s poor, enable employers to import an unlimited number of willing workers at frugal wages … and wipe out the U.S. middle class.”

The TTC is part of the U.S. Government’s Council of Foreign Relations’ plans - which also include massive foreign aid to Mexico and monies for 60,000 Mexican students to attend U.S. universities for free, Ford said, noting the irony of seeing older American workers having to subsidize their Social Security by working at Taco Bell.

“How many of you would like to have your kids’ tuition paid for by the U.S. government?” she asked. “It’s unfair and out of balance.”

Meeting organizer Linda Curtis called on a grass roots effort to go to the Legislature and work toward legislation to at least rein in the massive project, which critics say will remove at hundreds of thousands of acres off of the tax rolls and into foreign control.

“We represent millions of people,” Curtis said of the protest groups that are coming together as one voice.

A rally is planned for March 2 on the steps of the state Capitol.

David Stall of CorridorWatch said the TTC “is not about transportation, it’s about revenue.”

“We didn’t ask for it,” he said. “We do need better roads and we need better transportation, but the TTC is not about doing any of those things. It’s about generating revenue.”

The days of free roads are coming to an end unless Texans stand up now, he said, saying non-compete clauses are being allowed into toll projects that would prohibit any work on nearby roadways - essentially forcing motorists onto the toll roads.

With no state oversight on the tolls, the private companies building the toll roads can set the tolls at whatever the market will bear, he said, saying “more and more” agreements are being reached in back rooms, with entities being created that are not responsive to Open Records and Open Meetings act provisions.

“The TTC hasn’t happened yet,” Stall said. “We still have time to affect some changes. … Are you going to abdicate your responsibilities or take the bull by the horns?

“Let’s stay in control and not turn that control over to somebody else somewhere else,” he said.

On the Internet:

CorridorWatch.org

SATollParty.com

IndyTexans.org

TexasTollParty.com

WallerCountyCitizens.org

BlacklandCoalition.org.

Http:/initiativefortexas.org


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
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“We didn’t fight a war so our government could give away our land,” said ret. Col. Sam Horton of Houston.

The TTC is part of the U.S. Government’s Council of Foreign Relations’ plans - which also include massive foreign aid to Mexico and monies for 60,000 Mexican students to attend U.S. universities for free, Ford said, noting the irony of seeing older American workers having to subsidize their Social Security by working at Taco Bell.

1 posted on 01/23/2007 6:36:02 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: calcowgirl; nicmarlo; texastoo; William Terrell; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; cinives; Czar; ...

PING


2 posted on 01/23/2007 6:36:47 AM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

"“[Bush's] plan is to have the North American Union in place by 2010,” Peterson said. “It would be like the European Union.”

Ignorance is bliss, but not persuasive.


3 posted on 01/23/2007 6:43:05 AM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: hedgetrimmer
monies for 60,000 Mexican students to attend U.S. universities for free

What the hell?

They give us loans, but they give the Mexicans grants...which my parents have to subsidize through taxes?!

4 posted on 01/23/2007 6:47:26 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * Allen for U.S. Senate in '08)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Thx for the ping


5 posted on 01/23/2007 7:01:59 AM PST by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Yes. The American taxpayer is footing the bill for globalization, not the so-called "free traders" and transnational corporations. Taxpayers have been footing the bill since day one, starting ostensibly with the taxpayer subsidies to criminal employers who hire illegal aliens.

You bet offshoring and outsourcing is also subsidized by the US tax payer and now we are going to be taxed for 'globalization adjustment'--eg. the socialized subsidy of the American worker who's lost his job due to "free trade". That means starting with the 8 out of 10 service related job losses due to offshoring. The numbers are huge and devastating to the economic health and stability of this nation.
6 posted on 01/23/2007 7:21:24 AM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

"The numbers are huge and devastating to the economic health and stability of this nation."

As evidenced by what? Our miniscule unemployment rate, record DOW averages, and shrinking deficit?


7 posted on 01/23/2007 7:30:13 AM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: gcruse
When you put 80 percent of your workforce on government assistance, you devastate your economy.

America's economy is NOT healthy. Transnational corporations push up the DOW, and their success depends on their foreign investments, not investment in the US economy. As for the unemployment rate, its ludicrous to trust the numbers of a government that says there's no inflation, while the cost of energy, food, housing, college tuition, you name it has multiplied astronomically in the past 20 years.
8 posted on 01/23/2007 7:35:56 AM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

" Transnational corporations push up the DOW,"

Nuts much?


9 posted on 01/23/2007 7:39:39 AM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: gcruse

We have lost what I will refer to as strategic positions in sensitive industries. Food, banking, manufacturing, (even defense) and technology have had their centers of ownership, management and production moved offshore to countries which subsidize the acquisition of American companies to acquire proprietary information and in some cases dual-use technology. If you think there will never be another war, it's alright. If you think the next war will be like a video game, it's alright. I say, however, that administrations from Eisenhower on have squandered both our retail power as the world's largest market, and allowed foreigners to acquire large pieces of these strategic industries in the name of "free trade" and "less regulation". Make no mistake, the modern corporation is not interested in classical economics...when you have to have the highest stock price in order to control your destiny as a corporation, when CEO pay is based on a quarter's earnings, when the government will stand in the way of no merger no matter how it distorts markets, "optimization" is a concept that goes away, replaced by "maximization" Add to this the lack of Christian enlightenment in the common education, and yes, our economy is in trouble. Not because of current numbers, but because it is detatching from the historical roots of our free economic system.


10 posted on 01/23/2007 8:04:40 AM PST by steve8714 (Isn't Israel a sovereign nation? Why do they do what we tell them to do?)
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Trans-Texas Corridor PING!


11 posted on 01/23/2007 8:09:57 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Dont overestimate the decency of the human race. H. L. Mencken)
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To: hedgetrimmer
The American taxpayer is footing the bill for globalization, not the so-called "free traders" and transnational corporations.

"Free traders" are not taxpayers? What a relief, no 1040 for me this year.

12 posted on 01/23/2007 8:12:40 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: steve8714

"Christian enlightenment "

I love oxymorons in the morning. :)


13 posted on 01/23/2007 8:12:52 AM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Sheila Jackson Lee will take care of the roads!

Jackson Lee to chair panel on transportation security

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1770463/posts


14 posted on 01/23/2007 8:32:03 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (Terroristas - beyond your expectations!)
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To: steve8714

All of which has zero to do with the Trans Texas Corridor. What the Corsi Kooks fail to point out (even though it has been explained to them 100 times) is that:

1) The road will open from San Antonio to Dallas around 2015, but any extension to Oklahoma and Laredo won't begin construction until after 2025. If this road was about smuggling illegal aliens, nuclear bombs, and all the other North American Union BS, why is it not being built to the borders at the start?

2) The road will NOT cross the border, will NOT create a new border crossing, and will NOT change any border crossing procedures/inspections. Any int'l traffic using the road will have to utilize already existing border crossings.


15 posted on 01/23/2007 8:44:51 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat (An easy 10-team playoff based on the BCS bowls can be implemented by next year. See my homepage.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BTTT


16 posted on 01/23/2007 8:53:16 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks, TSR!


17 posted on 01/23/2007 8:58:12 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: hedgetrimmer
"As to what kind of union might there be, I see one based upon free trade, that would then entail commitment to markets and democracy, transparency, rule of law," Bush told media after that meeting.

Hmm

18 posted on 01/23/2007 9:05:42 AM PST by A. Pole (President Putin: "We certainly would not want to have the same kind of democracy as they have in Ira)
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To: TXnMA

You're welcome.


19 posted on 01/23/2007 9:22:39 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Dont overestimate the decency of the human race. H. L. Mencken)
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To: E.G.C.

bump.


20 posted on 01/23/2007 9:22:51 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Dont overestimate the decency of the human race. H. L. Mencken)
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To: gcruse

Why is "Christian enlightenment" an oxymoron?


21 posted on 01/23/2007 9:25:13 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Dont overestimate the decency of the human race. H. L. Mencken)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The Enlightenment was an 18th Century European movement of philosophy and science which stressed the supremacy of reason over religious revelation or ancestral tradition

Atheism is a superb example of a modern metanarrative — a totalising view of things, locked into the world view of the Enlightenment.
22 posted on 01/23/2007 9:47:23 AM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

true enough, but my reply was to a tangential post.


23 posted on 01/23/2007 9:53:49 AM PST by steve8714 (Isn't Israel a sovereign nation? Why do they do what we tell them to do?)
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To: gcruse

I did not capitalize. I was referring to the virtue, not the movement. Smith himself speaks of an "Invisible hand" guiding the capitalist. Are we to infer some godless movement from that?
Marxism is much more a product of the Enlightenment than is classical capitalism. Capitalism is a product of mere enlightenment.


24 posted on 01/23/2007 9:57:41 AM PST by steve8714 (Isn't Israel a sovereign nation? Why do they do what we tell them to do?)
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To: gcruse

In my religion, by the way, reason and faith coexist.


25 posted on 01/23/2007 9:58:31 AM PST by steve8714 (Isn't Israel a sovereign nation? Why do they do what we tell them to do?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


26 posted on 01/23/2007 12:02:30 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: hedgetrimmer; All

“We represent millions of people,” Curtis said of the protest groups that are coming together as one voice."


Wow! Look how many kooks and nut-balls have come together out there, speaking with one voice.(sarc)


This reminds me of when Ft. Hood wanted to expand back in the seventies. The land owners and the communities put their foot down and said "Hell NO!" (OUR LAND,OUR LIVES)


27 posted on 01/23/2007 12:54:24 PM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: gcruse
"Atheism is a superb example of a modern metanarrative — a totalising view of things, locked into the world view of the Enlightenment."

It's locked into something alright . . .;^)

28 posted on 01/23/2007 6:05:59 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: wolfcreek

Clearly you favor the Kelo decision.


29 posted on 01/23/2007 6:50:34 PM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

gun rights??

I adamantly oppose the TTC, but . . . gun rights??

Good grief.


30 posted on 01/23/2007 7:23:48 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: hedgetrimmer

Please come out and state that you want no more private land taken for roads in this country.

I dare you.


31 posted on 01/23/2007 7:28:50 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Pease come out and state that you want no more private land taken for roads in this country.

You sure are bossy.
32 posted on 01/23/2007 7:56:15 PM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Well, I'm not the one posting countless articles against the TTC or NAFTA Superhighway.

If you can't or won't defend your positions, I think everyone should wonder why.

You have a position. Calling me "bossy" is not defending them.


33 posted on 01/23/2007 8:04:56 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: hedgetrimmer
"Clearly you favor the Kelo decision."


UH, NO! Clearly you missed my (sarc).


I couldn't find a link for the 70's expansion of Ft. Hood TX. but, I was born and grew up around there. The Military wanted to use eminent domain to take more land (some 400 sq. mi.)(to add to the 250,000 ac. they already had) surrounding the base. (they wanted to test cruise missiles and didn't have enough acreage) The land owners and surrounding comm. (I believe it was called, Our Land, Our Lives) got together and said NO Way! After a lengthy court battle, the military backed off. Chalk that one up to the people. Hopefully, the millions of people who have raised their voices in opposition to the TTC, will also prevail.
34 posted on 01/24/2007 5:00:29 AM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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