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Posted on 01/23/2007 10:26:18 AM PST by Fawn
On Jan. 14, 3-year-old Elly Kulesza and her parents, Julie and Gerald, were kicked off an AirTran Airways flight from Florida to their Worcester, Mass., home because Elly would not stop crying.
Elly, who had been a model passenger on the flight to Florida four days earlier, began to cry uncontrollably once she got on the plane, throwing a temper tantrum on the floor.
AirTran employees demanded that the Kuleszas calm down their child. When Elly didn't stop crying, the crew banned the Kuleszas from flying for 24 hours. Later, AirTran offered an apology to the family along with a refund on their tickets.
"As we have an obligation to the 112 other passengers onboard the flight to operate the flight on time," AirTran said in a statement, "we had to make an operational decision to ask the Kulesza party to deplane so the flight could depart."
On "Good Morning America," the Kuleszas insisted that their toddler wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary.
"I don't know what happened. No one can tell when something like this is going to happen. She had a great morning, but then she got on the plane and she started to cry," Julie Kulesza said.
"She's like the typical 3-year-old. She has her moments, but overall she's a very, very good child."
The Kuleszas said that unlike the AirTran crew, the passengers on the flight were sympathetic to their situation.
"I jokingly turned around and asked the three gentlemen behind me, 'Aren't you glad you got these seats?" Julie said. "Another passenger offered up a lollipop to try and calm her down."
Despite AirTran's apology and offer of a complimentary flight, the Kuleszas don't plan to fly with the airline anytime soon.
"We'll pass on that," Gerald Kulesza said. "After that, I told them I'd never fly with them again." PAGE 2 CONTINUED AT SITE
Good. FLY AIRTRAN AIRWAYS!!!
Don't forget to vote while you're there.
This must be the child that sits by me on every single flight I take.
(about ten seconds aead of you)
Unless you have kids........
This story is a good reminder of why spankings are a good thing when warranted.
Having said that, some of our rabid liberals in California are trying to outlaw spankings.
Thanks for the hit. ;)
THey should consider making one of the bathrooms soundproof for episodes like this.
Uh... one thing to cry, another to be throwing a temper tantrum in the isle. Kid should have been strapped into an air rated safety seat anyway...
I would not have appologized...put them on another flight after the child had calmed down sure, but no way should AIRTRANS be SORRY for respecting the 100+ other customers on that flight.
And for the record, no not all 3 year olds throw public uncontrollable temper tantrums... Many know that one look from mom or dad means cut it out right now, or painful sitting will be taking place for a while to come.
Bottom Line 1:
Parents need to do what they can to shut screaming kids up on flights. Nobody wants to hear that.
Bottom Line 2:
Sometimes kids cry no matter what. Cut parents a break who make an obvious effort to solve the problem, blame those who don't.
I have kids, and I would not act like these people
A) I would not expect the airline to pander to my spoiled child.
B) I would be mortified by my childs behavior and would not ask for or expect an apology from the airline.
C) My child behaved like that, they would have been given good reason to cry.
This.. they are only three, its normal behavior is a crock of crap. By 3 they behave the way they know they can get away with.
Looks like I know I will be buying another ATA ticket to Chicago.
A good smack on the a$$ always put me in my place.
Agreed infants and toddlerscan cry uncontrollably and there is nothing you can do to console them.. usually because you have no idea why they are crying... (pain, ears popping, scared of the loud noises of the engines, etc etc etc)
But unless this child was mentally slow, by age 3 they can communicate, and know what they can and cannot get away with. Throwing themselves on the ground and having a temper tantrum IS NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOR! Its LEARNED BEHAVIOR... they do it because they know they can get away with it.
I don't think the airline should be apologizing for doing the right thing. As long as they offered them an alternate flight later, which they did, the parents should be sitting down, shutting up and re-evaluating their parental skills.
Agreed. That was my point but perhaps not well articulated.
"If you are going to cry, I'll give you a reason to cry." - Dad.
I note that while the reporter claims the passengers were OK with it, the only person quoted is the mother, and it's the MOTHER who told the reporter the other passengers didn't care.
I can imagine that even the ones who she "joked with" were happy she was gone, they were just too polite to say it to her face.
If the child had an ear ache, understandable.. that's pain.. but that still is not throwing oneself onto the ground of the isle and throwing a temper tantrum.
No, the passemgers were being polite by not telling you what they really thought of you and your child.
Many know that one look from mom or dad means cut it out right now,
Oh boy, did that bring back memories. "The Look." :) Ha,ha. Didn't hurt me or my other three sibilings any. We even had "The Look" for our own kids. :)
I think she left a few words out.
Oh, phsaw. Just about EVERY 3 year old will throw a public uncontrollable temper tantrum at one time or another.
Tired, off-schedule, returning from a vacation, maybe seeing grandparents, being on an airplane, and all strung out ... I can see how this little kid might get worked up.
I think the airline was probably right in what they did ... but I also suspect that this is mostly a case of this kid having bad timing.
Sounds like excuses to me....
Again, crying is one thing, throwing oneself on the ground and having a temper tantrum is quite another... and notice that that surgery did not play any role on the flight they took a few days before.
Still sounds to me like excuses being made by parents who don't want to believe their child could do anything wrong and refuse to discipline them properly.
I can feel for any parent who's dealing with a child that is worked up and has no way to deal with it.. IE child is too small to communicate what is going on.. I've been there, I think just about anyone with a child has been there... but by 3 they are old enough to communicate issues, and throwing oneself on the floor screaming at the top of ones lungs is not acceptable behavior for a 3 year old.
This "its normal" is BS, its a result of poor parenting in all but children who have mental issues. Children behave how they are allowed to behave. Yes, strong willed children can be more of a handful than others, but even they will behave if handled properly.
All parents love their children, but only the dilluded ones believe their "precious little darlings" can never ever do anything wrong of their own accord.
I got this from the Breitbart article posted on Drudge -
But Julie Kulesza said: "We weren't giving an opportunity to hold her, console her or anything."
"Elly was sitting in front of our seat crying," she said in a phone interview. "The attendant motioned to a seat and asked if we purchased it for her."
It sounds to me like the parents sat together and the kid got to sit with strangers. The kid's behavior doesn't seem so outrageous.
Do you have experience working with 3-year olds?
I do work with 3-year olds, and my experience says you're wrong: you can't lump them all into one little box, like you're trying to do.
Okay, I have tried to argue on behalf of parents with sick children but there is no winning. Okay, sick or not, kick them off of the plane, I give up.
I wonder how many times this will get posted????? lol.
We used to give them a whack on the way INTO the restaurant/church/airplane just as a reminder of what was to be expected in the event of a whine attack. Consequently I had 4 kids I could take anywhere.
Gentleman #1 : Stewardess, please, let me handle this ( grabs the girl and starts to shake her )
Gentleman #2 : I'll take care of this. CALM DOWN, GET AHOLD OF YOURSELF ! Nun : Everything's going to be alright < SLAP >!
Gentleman #3 : Sister, I'll handle this ....
Not hardly, kids do not throw public uncontrolled temper tantrums when they are 3 years old, that's just BS.
Can they be grumpy? Sure... Tired? Absolutely... Cranky? You betcha.. off schedule? Certainly.. but the idea they will throw themselves to the ground kicking and screaming because of it?? Nope, that's a learned behavior.
Child that age pulls that, parent should IMMEDIATELY pick the child up, take them to the nearest facility and tan their hide, and tell em point blank that is NOT acceptable behavior. Or even better, if you are in a situation where you can do it.. just walk away.. its amazing how quickly little susie or johnny stop acting like that when they know mommy and daddy won't put up with it.
Sorry, but this is not a normal behvior.. our children each tried that crap ONCE.... and learned its not accepted, and mommy and daddy are not going to bend over backwards because you are doing it. At 3 they are old enough to know better, not setting a precident to where you act that way and suddenly mommy and daddy are going to stop everything just to try to bribe or cajole you... that sets the absolutely wrong precidence.
Given the fact this mother admitted openly "She has her moments" clearly tells me this is not the first time this has happened... so, no I'm not buying bad timing... if it was the first time it happened perhaps I'd cut some slack.. but based on that no way... flat out poor parenting.
Hooray for Airtran!
I have lots of experience dealing with 3 year olds, and yes, other than the ones who are mentally slow or off, I stand by my statements.
The ones that don't fit into the box are the ones whos parents either refuse to discipline them properly, and be the parent... or are mentally slow or off. By 3 there is no excuse for that behavior.
If the child had an ear infection than the parents should not have put her on the plane in the first place. They should have taken her to a doctor for treatment then either waited in Florida for her to improve, taken the train or bus or driven. But this plane never got off the ground because the brat war crawling under the seats, hitting her parents, etc.
I have said nothing about being sick, I even conceded sickness or pain in previous posts.. unfortunately I don't see this event as either of those.
Secondly, even if it was, the parents should still be mortified not expecting the airlines to bend over backwards for them. They offered them a later flight... the airline respected the rest of its customers.... nothing wrong with their decision.
Its rediculous the airline apologized, and even more rediculous that this couple is blaming the airline for poorly handling a situation they clearly were unable to handle themselves.
I don't believe you.
You have to scare the pants off your little ones or they will be in control. If my finger comes out and points at them they know it's time to quiet down.
But Dr. Spock (Or what ever that wimps name is) is gospel to a lot of (Dem) moms.
Whether you want to believe me or not is irrellevant... You are free to believe whatever you want, doesn't change the facts.
I'm sure there are folks that believe the earth is flat, and that Communism is a great form of governement, or that women get pregnant by sharing soap.. what you believe and what is need not have any relation to reality whatsoever.
No common sense act will go unpunished.
All parents say that everybody loves their special little darling.
Dad didnt need to say anything, he just gave you that look.
I don't understand why so many people don't understand this simple reality. YOU are the parent, period. Its amazing, you discipline a child properly up front, you don't need to fight with them perpetually the rest of the time.
Too many people just write off bad childish behavior is "oh he's only 3 its normal" when it is not remotely, its poor parenting.
Set the rules and enforce the rules from day one without fault and its amazing how rarely you have to do so down the line... far to many don't set or enforce anything up front and then try to make it up later.
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