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Crying Child and Her Parents Removed From Flight
ABC NEWS ^ | January 23, 2007 | ABC News

Posted on 01/23/2007 10:26:18 AM PST by Fawn

On Jan. 14, 3-year-old Elly Kulesza and her parents, Julie and Gerald, were kicked off an AirTran Airways flight from Florida to their Worcester, Mass., home because Elly would not stop crying.

Elly, who had been a model passenger on the flight to Florida four days earlier, began to cry uncontrollably once she got on the plane, throwing a temper tantrum on the floor.

AirTran employees demanded that the Kuleszas calm down their child. When Elly didn't stop crying, the crew banned the Kuleszas from flying for 24 hours. Later, AirTran offered an apology to the family along with a refund on their tickets.

"As we have an obligation to the 112 other passengers onboard the flight to operate the flight on time," AirTran said in a statement, "we had to make an operational decision to ask the Kulesza party to deplane so the flight could depart."

Passengers Sympathetic, Unlike Crew, Parents Say

On "Good Morning America," the Kuleszas insisted that their toddler wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary.

"I don't know what happened. No one can tell when something like this is going to happen. She had a great morning, but then she got on the plane and she started to cry," Julie Kulesza said.

"She's like the typical 3-year-old. She has her moments, but overall she's a very, very good child."

The Kuleszas said that unlike the AirTran crew, the passengers on the flight were sympathetic to their situation.

"I jokingly turned around and asked the three gentlemen behind me, 'Aren't you glad you got these seats?" Julie said. "Another passenger offered up a lollipop to try and calm her down."

Despite AirTran's apology and offer of a complimentary flight, the Kuleszas don't plan to fly with the airline anytime soon.

"We'll pass on that," Gerald Kulesza said. "After that, I told them I'd never fly with them again." PAGE 2 CONTINUED AT SITE


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Gerald Kulesza said. "After that, I told them I'd never fly with them again."

Good. FLY AIRTRAN AIRWAYS!!!

1 posted on 01/23/2007 10:26:27 AM PST by Fawn
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To: All

Don't forget to vote while you're there.


2 posted on 01/23/2007 10:27:36 AM PST by Fawn (NEVER GO TO 'APPLIANCE KING' IN BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA--THEY SCAM YOU!!!)
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To: Fawn

This must be the child that sits by me on every single flight I take.


3 posted on 01/23/2007 10:27:43 AM PST by RushCrush (God Bless our fine military! Thank you for your service! We are forever indebted to you!)
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To: Fawn
redundant

(about ten seconds aead of you)

4 posted on 01/23/2007 10:27:44 AM PST by presidio9 (It's "news" that New Jersey smells bad?)
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To: Fawn

Kaching.


5 posted on 01/23/2007 10:27:47 AM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: Fawn

Unless you have kids........


6 posted on 01/23/2007 10:27:53 AM PST by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha)
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To: Fawn

This story is a good reminder of why spankings are a good thing when warranted.

Having said that, some of our rabid liberals in California are trying to outlaw spankings.


7 posted on 01/23/2007 10:30:06 AM PST by passionfruit
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To: presidio9

Thanks for the hit. ;)


8 posted on 01/23/2007 10:30:07 AM PST by Fawn (NEVER GO TO 'APPLIANCE KING' IN BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA--THEY SCAM YOU!!!)
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To: Fawn
Smart child, I would scream if being taken from Florida to the commie state of Massachusetts.
9 posted on 01/23/2007 10:30:18 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: passionfruit

THey should consider making one of the bathrooms soundproof for episodes like this.


10 posted on 01/23/2007 10:31:18 AM PST by Fawn (NEVER GO TO 'APPLIANCE KING' IN BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA--THEY SCAM YOU!!!)
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To: Fawn

Uh... one thing to cry, another to be throwing a temper tantrum in the isle. Kid should have been strapped into an air rated safety seat anyway...

I would not have appologized...put them on another flight after the child had calmed down sure, but no way should AIRTRANS be SORRY for respecting the 100+ other customers on that flight.

And for the record, no not all 3 year olds throw public uncontrollable temper tantrums... Many know that one look from mom or dad means cut it out right now, or painful sitting will be taking place for a while to come.


11 posted on 01/23/2007 10:31:27 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Danae

Bottom Line 1:

Parents need to do what they can to shut screaming kids up on flights. Nobody wants to hear that.

Bottom Line 2:

Sometimes kids cry no matter what. Cut parents a break who make an obvious effort to solve the problem, blame those who don't.


12 posted on 01/23/2007 10:31:47 AM PST by RockinRight (To compare Congress to drunken sailors is an insult to drunken sailors. - Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: Danae

I have kids, and I would not act like these people

A) I would not expect the airline to pander to my spoiled child.

B) I would be mortified by my childs behavior and would not ask for or expect an apology from the airline.

C) My child behaved like that, they would have been given good reason to cry.

This.. they are only three, its normal behavior is a crock of crap. By 3 they behave the way they know they can get away with.


13 posted on 01/23/2007 10:33:46 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
Maybe the planes should start carrying these?


14 posted on 01/23/2007 10:33:52 AM PST by Fawn (NEVER GO TO 'APPLIANCE KING' IN BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA--THEY SCAM YOU!!!)
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To: Fawn

Looks like I know I will be buying another ATA ticket to Chicago.


15 posted on 01/23/2007 10:34:30 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: HamiltonJay

A good smack on the a$$ always put me in my place.


16 posted on 01/23/2007 10:36:21 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: RockinRight

Agreed infants and toddlerscan cry uncontrollably and there is nothing you can do to console them.. usually because you have no idea why they are crying... (pain, ears popping, scared of the loud noises of the engines, etc etc etc)

But unless this child was mentally slow, by age 3 they can communicate, and know what they can and cannot get away with. Throwing themselves on the ground and having a temper tantrum IS NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOR! Its LEARNED BEHAVIOR... they do it because they know they can get away with it.

I don't think the airline should be apologizing for doing the right thing. As long as they offered them an alternate flight later, which they did, the parents should be sitting down, shutting up and re-evaluating their parental skills.


17 posted on 01/23/2007 10:37:19 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: passionfruit
This story is a good reminder of why spankings are a good thing when warranted. yesterdays thread indicated she had an ear infection. If my child had an ear infection which would be hell if you are on a plane, I don't think I would spank the child.
18 posted on 01/23/2007 10:37:21 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: HamiltonJay

Agreed. That was my point but perhaps not well articulated.


19 posted on 01/23/2007 10:38:02 AM PST by RockinRight (To compare Congress to drunken sailors is an insult to drunken sailors. - Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: Long Island Pete

"If you are going to cry, I'll give you a reason to cry." - Dad.


20 posted on 01/23/2007 10:38:31 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Fawn

I note that while the reporter claims the passengers were OK with it, the only person quoted is the mother, and it's the MOTHER who told the reporter the other passengers didn't care.

I can imagine that even the ones who she "joked with" were happy she was gone, they were just too polite to say it to her face.


21 posted on 01/23/2007 10:39:07 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SF Republican

If the child had an ear ache, understandable.. that's pain.. but that still is not throwing oneself onto the ground of the isle and throwing a temper tantrum.


22 posted on 01/23/2007 10:40:33 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Fawn
The Kuleszas said that unlike the AirTran crew, the passengers on the flight were sympathetic to their situation.

No, the passemgers were being polite by not telling you what they really thought of you and your child.

23 posted on 01/23/2007 10:41:19 AM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: HamiltonJay
C) My child behaved like that, they would have been given good reason to cry. This was with yesterdays story. - Her mom thinks it may have been because of the ear surgery Elly underwent earlier this month
24 posted on 01/23/2007 10:41:27 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: HamiltonJay

Many know that one look from mom or dad means cut it out right now,


Oh boy, did that bring back memories. "The Look." :) Ha,ha. Didn't hurt me or my other three sibilings any. We even had "The Look" for our own kids. :)


25 posted on 01/23/2007 10:42:32 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than we will ever know. Thanks, Rush!)
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To: randog

I agree!


26 posted on 01/23/2007 10:42:44 AM PST by Fawn (NEVER GO TO 'APPLIANCE KING' IN BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA--THEY SCAM YOU!!!)
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To: Fawn
"Another passenger offered up to cram a lollipop down her throat to try and calm her down."

I think she left a few words out.

27 posted on 01/23/2007 10:45:18 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: HamiltonJay
And for the record, no not all 3 year olds throw public uncontrollable temper tantrums... Many know that one look from mom or dad means cut it out right now, or painful sitting will be taking place for a while to come.

Oh, phsaw. Just about EVERY 3 year old will throw a public uncontrollable temper tantrum at one time or another.

Tired, off-schedule, returning from a vacation, maybe seeing grandparents, being on an airplane, and all strung out ... I can see how this little kid might get worked up.

I think the airline was probably right in what they did ... but I also suspect that this is mostly a case of this kid having bad timing.

28 posted on 01/23/2007 10:45:48 AM PST by r9etb
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To: SF Republican

Sounds like excuses to me....

Again, crying is one thing, throwing oneself on the ground and having a temper tantrum is quite another... and notice that that surgery did not play any role on the flight they took a few days before.

Still sounds to me like excuses being made by parents who don't want to believe their child could do anything wrong and refuse to discipline them properly.

I can feel for any parent who's dealing with a child that is worked up and has no way to deal with it.. IE child is too small to communicate what is going on.. I've been there, I think just about anyone with a child has been there... but by 3 they are old enough to communicate issues, and throwing oneself on the floor screaming at the top of ones lungs is not acceptable behavior for a 3 year old.

This "its normal" is BS, its a result of poor parenting in all but children who have mental issues. Children behave how they are allowed to behave. Yes, strong willed children can be more of a handful than others, but even they will behave if handled properly.

All parents love their children, but only the dilluded ones believe their "precious little darlings" can never ever do anything wrong of their own accord.


29 posted on 01/23/2007 10:46:03 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Fawn

I got this from the Breitbart article posted on Drudge -
But Julie Kulesza said: "We weren't giving an opportunity to hold her, console her or anything."

"Elly was sitting in front of our seat crying," she said in a phone interview. "The attendant motioned to a seat and asked if we purchased it for her."

It sounds to me like the parents sat together and the kid got to sit with strangers. The kid's behavior doesn't seem so outrageous.


30 posted on 01/23/2007 10:46:05 AM PST by PhilSC
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To: Fawn
Benadryl and if that does not work a Crown and Coke.

Worked for my child all the way to Japan.

I am so proud of my little guy, what a happy alcoholic.
31 posted on 01/23/2007 10:46:22 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: cubreporter
Oh boy, did that bring back memories. "The Look." :) Ha,ha. Didn't hurt me or my other three sibilings any. We even had "The Look" for our own kids. :)

The Look:


32 posted on 01/23/2007 10:46:45 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: HamiltonJay
But unless this child was mentally slow, by age 3 they can communicate, and know what they can and cannot get away with. Throwing themselves on the ground and having a temper tantrum IS NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOR! Its LEARNED BEHAVIOR... they do it because they know they can get away with it.

Do you have experience working with 3-year olds?

I do work with 3-year olds, and my experience says you're wrong: you can't lump them all into one little box, like you're trying to do.

33 posted on 01/23/2007 10:48:26 AM PST by r9etb
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To: HamiltonJay

Okay, I have tried to argue on behalf of parents with sick children but there is no winning. Okay, sick or not, kick them off of the plane, I give up.


34 posted on 01/23/2007 10:49:27 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: Fawn

I wonder how many times this will get posted????? lol.


35 posted on 01/23/2007 10:51:21 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Fawn
Good. If I can't smoke, screaming children and sick people should be removed from all flights.

It's only fair. I don't want damaged hearing or secondhand germs.
36 posted on 01/23/2007 10:51:28 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Long Island Pete

We used to give them a whack on the way INTO the restaurant/church/airplane just as a reminder of what was to be expected in the event of a whine attack. Consequently I had 4 kids I could take anywhere.


37 posted on 01/23/2007 10:51:57 AM PST by esquirette (Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there.)
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To: randog
Yeah, the passengers should have lined up with baseball bats and whips like they did in the movie Airplane:

Gentleman #1 : Stewardess, please, let me handle this ( grabs the girl and starts to shake her )
Gentleman #2 : I'll take care of this. CALM DOWN, GET AHOLD OF YOURSELF ! Nun : Everything's going to be alright < SLAP >!
Gentleman #3 : Sister, I'll handle this ....

38 posted on 01/23/2007 10:52:58 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: r9etb

Not hardly, kids do not throw public uncontrolled temper tantrums when they are 3 years old, that's just BS.

Can they be grumpy? Sure... Tired? Absolutely... Cranky? You betcha.. off schedule? Certainly.. but the idea they will throw themselves to the ground kicking and screaming because of it?? Nope, that's a learned behavior.

Child that age pulls that, parent should IMMEDIATELY pick the child up, take them to the nearest facility and tan their hide, and tell em point blank that is NOT acceptable behavior. Or even better, if you are in a situation where you can do it.. just walk away.. its amazing how quickly little susie or johnny stop acting like that when they know mommy and daddy won't put up with it.

Sorry, but this is not a normal behvior.. our children each tried that crap ONCE.... and learned its not accepted, and mommy and daddy are not going to bend over backwards because you are doing it. At 3 they are old enough to know better, not setting a precident to where you act that way and suddenly mommy and daddy are going to stop everything just to try to bribe or cajole you... that sets the absolutely wrong precidence.

Given the fact this mother admitted openly "She has her moments" clearly tells me this is not the first time this has happened... so, no I'm not buying bad timing... if it was the first time it happened perhaps I'd cut some slack.. but based on that no way... flat out poor parenting.


39 posted on 01/23/2007 10:53:47 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Fawn

Hooray for Airtran!


40 posted on 01/23/2007 10:55:19 AM PST by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: r9etb

I have lots of experience dealing with 3 year olds, and yes, other than the ones who are mentally slow or off, I stand by my statements.

The ones that don't fit into the box are the ones whos parents either refuse to discipline them properly, and be the parent... or are mentally slow or off. By 3 there is no excuse for that behavior.


41 posted on 01/23/2007 10:55:42 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: SF Republican

If the child had an ear infection than the parents should not have put her on the plane in the first place. They should have taken her to a doctor for treatment then either waited in Florida for her to improve, taken the train or bus or driven. But this plane never got off the ground because the brat war crawling under the seats, hitting her parents, etc.


42 posted on 01/23/2007 10:57:31 AM PST by passionfruit
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To: SF Republican

I have said nothing about being sick, I even conceded sickness or pain in previous posts.. unfortunately I don't see this event as either of those.

Secondly, even if it was, the parents should still be mortified not expecting the airlines to bend over backwards for them. They offered them a later flight... the airline respected the rest of its customers.... nothing wrong with their decision.

Its rediculous the airline apologized, and even more rediculous that this couple is blaming the airline for poorly handling a situation they clearly were unable to handle themselves.


43 posted on 01/23/2007 10:57:58 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

I don't believe you.


44 posted on 01/23/2007 10:58:08 AM PST by r9etb
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To: HamiltonJay

You have to scare the pants off your little ones or they will be in control. If my finger comes out and points at them they know it's time to quiet down.

But Dr. Spock (Or what ever that wimps name is) is gospel to a lot of (Dem) moms.


45 posted on 01/23/2007 10:59:21 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: r9etb

Whether you want to believe me or not is irrellevant... You are free to believe whatever you want, doesn't change the facts.

I'm sure there are folks that believe the earth is flat, and that Communism is a great form of governement, or that women get pregnant by sharing soap.. what you believe and what is need not have any relation to reality whatsoever.


46 posted on 01/23/2007 11:00:10 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Fawn
"As we have an obligation to the 112 other passengers onboard the flight to operate the flight on time," AirTran said in a statement, "we had to make an operational decision to ask the Kulesza party to deplane so the flight could depart."

No common sense act will go unpunished.

47 posted on 01/23/2007 11:00:23 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Fawn
Passengers Sympathetic, Unlike Crew, Parents Say

All parents say that everybody loves their special little darling.

48 posted on 01/23/2007 11:01:34 AM PST by glorgau
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To: HamiltonJay

Dad didnt need to say anything, he just gave you that look.


49 posted on 01/23/2007 11:02:59 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: rollo tomasi

Exactly,

I don't understand why so many people don't understand this simple reality. YOU are the parent, period. Its amazing, you discipline a child properly up front, you don't need to fight with them perpetually the rest of the time.

Too many people just write off bad childish behavior is "oh he's only 3 its normal" when it is not remotely, its poor parenting.

Set the rules and enforce the rules from day one without fault and its amazing how rarely you have to do so down the line... far to many don't set or enforce anything up front and then try to make it up later.


50 posted on 01/23/2007 11:04:12 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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