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Gonzales says the Constitution doesn't guarantee habeas corpus
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 1/24/7 | Bob Egelko

Posted on 01/24/2007 7:45:58 AM PST by SmithL

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To: BulletBobCo

That seems pretty clear to me.


181 posted on 01/27/2007 9:39:53 PM PST by skr (Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Seems to me that some in congress and critics are not hearing all of what Gonzales said and only hearing what they want to hear


182 posted on 01/28/2007 1:46:56 AM PST by Mo1 (Mrs. Bill Clinton - "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: Mo1; La Enchiladita

Yes, and that was the hope and intent of the AG when he USED that attorney-speak double-talk!

Whatever happened to forthrightness?!?


183 posted on 01/28/2007 2:05:10 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: lonestar67
"I think the problem here is --- Gonzales is right. The constitution does not grant a right"

No rights are granted by govm't. Govm't only grants privaledge, where their is otherwise no right to engage. The declaration and the Consitution acknowledge that rights are inherent to the individual, as God, or nature provided.

184 posted on 01/28/2007 2:11:08 PM PST by spunkets
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To: tpaine

In your twisted view Federalism is the same as Secessionism since it recognized states having rights and powers not turned over to the Feds.

You also believe the Constitution set up a Consolidated General government. This, of course, is the Anti-federalist claim and what major Founders: Hamilton, Madison, Washington, Jay, Morris, denied.

Your argument is dependent upon claiming Marshall, the GREATEST expositor of the Constitution, was either a turncoat or senile when there is no evidence of either. His last writings are the same masterpieces of logic and composition his earliest were. In fact, Bolton is one of the greatest examples of legal reasoning and writing ever put to paper. Wherein he examines and destroys all the bogus crap you try and pass as constitutional law.

Your idea that the 1830s was a period of fear of secession is simply historically wrong. There were NO advocates of that position. Show us there were if you are going to claim it.


185 posted on 01/28/2007 3:39:24 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Definitely lawyer-speak, Spirit. I agree, it appears deliberately devious. We know who notoriously uttered that kind of talk before ....


186 posted on 01/28/2007 4:28:38 PM PST by La Enchiladita (People get ready . . .)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Marshall was ALWAYS a Federalist and ALWAYS advocated the Federalism exemplified by the Constitution which left large areas of power to the states.

That's just your opinion, one that suits those who want to leave "-- large areas of power to the states --"; -- so they can infringe on our constitutional rights.

Only someone a clueless as you could make such an asinine claim. Anyone else who has seen my posts knows I loathe the Secessionists, States' Righters and all seeking to weaken the Union.

I quote you:

"-- The BoR was written to control ONLY the federal government while leaving state governments free to violate them at will if not prohibited within their constitutions. --"

Hellofa way to loathe "-- States' Righters and all seeking to weaken the Union. --"

The fact that I KNOW how desperately the opponents to the Constitution were to preserve state powers and that the Founders created the BoR to reassure them that the new government was NOT a "consolidated" government like YOU claim does not mean I agree with the Antis.

You agree with those who say a State can infringe on our rights to own & carry arms. Just above you say that: "-- leaving state governments free to violate them at will if not prohibited within their constitutions. --"; -- a number of our State governments have no such prohibitions.

In your twisted view Federalism is the same as Secessionism since it recognized states having rights and powers not turned over to the Feds.

In your twisted view States have 'rights' and powers to violate an individuals rights at will.

You also believe the Constitution set up a Consolidated General government.

Ludicrous unsupported opinion. You're simply getting desperate to justify your "twisted view".

187 posted on 01/29/2007 6:52:57 AM PST by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia <)
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To: tpaine

I am tired of your attempts to twist what I have said and pretend that the views of today where in effect in 1787. They were NOT. The Founders did not establish a government based upon YOUR views. In fact, YOUR views have NO relation to what was actually created.

You have repeatedly shown no understanding of the political environment of 1787 and no willingness to learn about it.

You are dishonest and deceptive in your statements which repeatedly LIE about what I say and what the Founders believe. It is worthless to speak with you.


188 posted on 01/29/2007 9:44:00 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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