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Ex-CIA Director: PA Arabs Don't Deserve State
Arutz 7 ^ | Jan 24, '07 | Hillel Fendel

Posted on 01/24/2007 9:48:00 AM PST by Nachum

James Woolsey, former Director of the CIA, told IsraelNationalRadio's Alex Traiman that a Palestinian state should wait "many decades" until they stop teaching their children to hate and murder.

Traiman asked about Woolsey's choice of terminology in calling the present conflict between the West and Islam as World War Four.

Woolsey explained that shortly after 9/11, "I saw an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal by Eliot Cohen of Johns Hopkins University where he wrote that the Cold War was World War III, and that the war against what I call Islamist totalitarianism is World War IV... We have a situation where democracies in the west such as Israel and the US, and Japan and others too, are at war with a group of Islamist totalitarianism ideologies and movements - very loosely analogous to the movements of the 20s and 30s - Fascism, Nazism, Communism, and Japanese imperialism..."

Woolsey said that it could take the West "decades to win this war; the Cold War took us four decades to win, and I see no reason to expect this one to be less than that."

Traiman asked, "Iran is actively working on a nuclear bomb and calls for Israel's destruction. How long can Israel afford to wait before taking action? And how long can the US afford to wait?"

Woolsey did not offer a direct answer, but rather some background:
"We can only hope that the Israeli and American governments have a better handle on the precise details of the Iranian nuclear program... The Persians [precursors of today's Iranians -ed.] invented chess, and they are playing it well. Hamas and Hizbullah and other groups are their pawns, and the Syrian government is a rook, and their most precious piece - their queen - is their nuclear weapons program. They are moving the pieces around quite cleverly, this week using Hizbullah to overthrow the government of Lebanon; next week it may be something else. They are moving their pieces with skill, and they're a very serious adversary."

PA State - Not in the Coming Decades Asked his opinion on the establishment of a Palestinian state, the former CIA director recommended that it not happen in the coming decades. He said that though the Jewish presence in this region precedes the Moslem claim - "for some Muslims like Arafat to deny that Jews were ever present here is idiotic" - the Moslems also have national rights in the area.

Openly avoiding the question of the nature or borders of a Palestinian state, he emphasized his opinion that "the Palestinians should not be granted the right to statehood until they start to treat Israeli Jews who settle in the West Bank as fairly as Israel treats its Muslim citizens."

"An Arab Muslim living in Jaffa," Woolsey said, "enjoys freedom of speech, religion, and expression, and can vote for his representatives in the Knesset, and doesn't go to sleep worrying that some government element might come and kill him. I think that once the Palestinians start treating Jewish settlers with that same degree of humanity - and they're very, very far from doing that now - at that point I think we have to seriously consider how they could have some degree of self-governing. I won't get into the question of borders, but what I think is that the Palestinians must be held to the same standards as Israel regarding how they treat the other. I am sure this will be many decades from now, though, because their children are taught the Wahhabi doctrine of being suicide bombers and the like."

Disengagement Was a Mistake
Traiman: "There are continuous calls for American troop withdrawals from Iraq; the unilateral withdrawal idea is back on the table here in Israel; and talks with Syria are again being pushed. Why are we playing the appeasement card?"

Woolsey: "Appeasement isn't called playing a card - it's just folding. I think those steps that you just mentioned are most unwise. Talking to Syria and negotiating should be done only when one has leverage... Unilateral withdrawal from the West Bank would not be a wise step for Israel to take; when one sees what happened in Gaza, and sees the political advantage that Hamas has taken of the situation to claim unilateral victory and now to be part of the PA government - how many failures do you need before you recognize that it's a failure?"

Woolsey said that this past summer's war between Israel and Hizbullah was a lost opportunity for the United States and Israel to jointly decide on Syrian targets to be attacked. This type of mistake must not be repeated, he said:
"We ought to make sure that if there is another legitimate and reasonable occasion for us to use force in this part of the world against Syria or Iran, we must not waste it. We should move towards encouraging peaceful regime change there; but if we are absolutely forced to use force against Iran, for instance, in order to stop its nuclear program, that should not be the limit of our use of force - it ought to be used also to break the power of the terrible Iranian regime and give the people of Iran a chance to live under a better one."

Asked his opinion on Jonathan Pollard, Woolsey said that though he has favored a significant punishment for Pollard in the past, "now that he has served [over] 20 years in prison, my view is that 20 years is enough. I also think that the close relationship between the US and Israel is also of some consideration, and at this point I think he's served long enough. I won't go any further than that."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: director; excia; jameswoolsey; pa; state; woolsey

1 posted on 01/24/2007 9:48:06 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

This from a Clinton guy ?


2 posted on 01/24/2007 9:50:43 AM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

Ok they weren't exactly great buddies.


3 posted on 01/24/2007 9:51:58 AM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: Nachum

Compare the rational reasoning of Woolsey to the rantings of ex-President Bizzarro aka jimmah carter. ex-Pres Bizzarro is on the same page as the terrorists of today and the anti-Semites of the 1930's.


4 posted on 01/24/2007 9:56:51 AM PST by San Jacinto
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To: San Jacinto

Dhimmi Carter??


5 posted on 01/24/2007 9:57:55 AM PST by BuffaloJack
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To: Nachum

Generally, one of the most dangerous and harmful myths of our time is the idea that there is a universal "right to their own state" that accrues to... well, just about any ethnic group or faux-ethnic group that claims it.


6 posted on 01/24/2007 9:57:57 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Nachum
...democracies in the west such as Israel and the US, and Japan and others too, are at war with a group of Islamist totalitarianism ideologies and movements - very loosely analogous to the movements of the 20s and 30s - Fascism, Nazism, Communism, and Japanese imperialism..."

BINGO

7 posted on 01/24/2007 10:00:08 AM PST by GOPJ (What secret justified Sandy Berger risking ruin? His first secret theft? I think NOT.)
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To: BuffaloJack
Dhimmi Carter??

The same. May peace be upon him.

8 posted on 01/24/2007 10:00:12 AM PST by San Jacinto
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To: Nachum

Maybe they don't deserve a state, but they have a state already. They may lack a recognized government; perhaps they don't deserve a recognized government, but they have a state just by being there.


9 posted on 01/24/2007 10:00:37 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale

There are no Palestinians. The Romans renamed Judea to piss off the Jews.


10 posted on 01/24/2007 10:02:29 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

Woolsey has held Presidential appointments in two Democratic and two Republican administrations


11 posted on 01/24/2007 10:02:45 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: Nachum
Appeasement isn't called playing a card - it's just folding
who needs a tagline?
12 posted on 01/24/2007 10:04:04 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: massgopguy

Whatever they call themselves they have a state just by being there, whatever there is called.


13 posted on 01/24/2007 10:05:09 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

This from Wiki:

"Woolsey has had an eclectic career. He has been known primarily as a conservative Democrat—hawkish on foreign policy issues but more traditionally Democratic on economic and social issues. A classic Washington insider, Woolsey has held important positions in both Democratic and Republican administrations. His influence has been felt during the Carter, Reagan, Bush (elder), and Clinton administrations. Woolsey was among the first to point the finger at Iraq in the immediate days following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. During the second Bush administration, he has been strong proponent of the war in Iraq."

Sounds like a Zell Miller democrat.


14 posted on 01/24/2007 10:05:42 AM PST by Mr. Jazzy (VPD of LCpl Smoothguy242 USMC of 1/3 Marines, K-Bay Hawaii.)
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To: Dr. Frank fan

What I despise is that this new state deserves American tax dollars, food, etc to get them on their way.


15 posted on 01/24/2007 10:06:02 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: RightWhale
He is right. Maybe they don't deserve a state. If they are given a state, it will be just another terrorist state to deal with in the long run,as they won't rest until all of Israel is theirs and every Jew is gone or has been killed. A lasting solution would therefore be -- to just wipe 'em out.
16 posted on 01/24/2007 10:07:44 AM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: Mr. Jazzy
Sounds like a Zell Miller democrat.

Sounds like a reasonable guy.

17 posted on 01/24/2007 10:10:15 AM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

They are not given a state. They have a state.


18 posted on 01/24/2007 10:11:56 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
Too bad the current administration is not this reasonable.
19 posted on 01/24/2007 10:12:54 AM PST by trumandogz (Rudy G 2008: The "G" Stands For Gun Grabbing & Gay Lovin.)
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To: SJackson; Alouette; Salem; F15Eagle; Esther Ruth; SunkenCiv; Ancesthntr; Slings and Arrows; ...

Ping!


20 posted on 01/24/2007 10:14:37 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (Memo to Olmerde: "GET THE HELL OUT OF BIBI's HOUSE!")
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To: edcoil

Not from my tax money.


21 posted on 01/24/2007 10:19:13 AM PST by wastedyears ("Gun control is hitting your target accurately." - Richard Marcinko)
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To: edcoil
It's called a dhimmi tax. We just can't decide which approach we're going to take: a) pay the extortion to make them go away; b) submit to a caliphate and the religion or c) whack the crap out of them so they'll have to wait another 3-400 years for a come back. Right now, our dear congresscritters are on the fence pay extortion or whack the crap out of them. My guess is the double-minded man will receive nothing from the Lord.
22 posted on 01/24/2007 10:34:08 AM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

High volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel, WOT

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a Palestinian state should wait "many decades" until they stop teaching their children to hate and murder.

23 posted on 01/24/2007 10:36:53 AM PST by SJackson (Let a thousand flowers bloom and let all our rifles be aimed at the occupation, Abu Mazen 1/11/07)
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To: Nachum

Woolsey has been one of the best recent CIA directors. So many former Federal officials are now on the Saudi payroll. Read Bob Baer's book- Sleeping With the Devil - It's shocking


24 posted on 01/24/2007 10:59:01 AM PST by dennisw (Don't let your past become your future -- Georges Gurdjieff)
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To: SJackson
A Palestinian state should wait "many decades" until they stop teaching their children to hate and murder.

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No state ever in the land of Israel for squatters, counterfeiters and all no good rotten lying nazis. And the deal is we let them MAYBE go on breathing IF they stop teaching their children to hate and murder.
25 posted on 01/24/2007 11:05:23 AM PST by Esther Ruth
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To: dennisw
I wouldn't be surprised if more than 50% of our former politicians and 100% of our media are being paid saudi money, to portray arabs and islam in a positive light. Too bad arabs and islam continue to be 'as they are' (disgusting)
26 posted on 01/24/2007 11:11:06 AM PST by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: dennisw
The media is there too:

The press is the propaganda arm of the American left and they have an agenda...see this:

Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left

27 posted on 01/24/2007 11:12:41 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: From One - Many

Many ask for no money....see link at post 27.


28 posted on 01/24/2007 11:14:14 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: From One - Many

Bob Baer's book- Sleeping With the Devil

Will tell you how the really big bucks are made in DC by those lobbyists and lawyers who ride with the Saudis and Prince Bandar, who was their ambassador here for decades. Carlyle Group is mentioned. So many are wired into the Saudi money machine. All have "served" in Federal office elected or appointed


29 posted on 01/24/2007 11:20:20 AM PST by dennisw (Don't let your past become your future -- Georges Gurdjieff)
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To: Dr. Frank fan

Self determination - Woody Wilson


30 posted on 01/24/2007 11:21:53 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Nachum

31 posted on 01/24/2007 11:37:24 AM PST by Gritty (With enemies on both sides of the gate, what we'll see is not a 9/11, but 9/11 squared-Selwyn Duke)
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To: Nachum
Woolsey said that this past summer's war between Israel and Hizbullah was a lost opportunity for the United States and Israel to jointly decide on Syrian targets to be attacked. This type of mistake must not be repeated, he said: "We ought to make sure that if there is another legitimate and reasonable occasion for us to use force in this part of the world against Syria or Iran, we must not waste it.

We may look back on the Summer of 06 in the same light as when Hitler took back Alsace-Lorraine. He said later that if he had received opposition, he would have retreated: a lost opportunity for the West to put the brakes on.

We missed the same opportunity this past summer with regard to Syria and Hezbollah/Iran.

They are reading this incident as "the US and Israel are weak and tired of the fight".

We should have smashed Syria while Israel attacked Hezbollah from the sea, cut them off and Killed them.

32 posted on 01/24/2007 1:46:43 PM PST by happygrl
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To: Nachum

WOW. Maybe I will vote for him for Prez. Why is he ex-??? I think he's a keeper.


33 posted on 01/24/2007 1:59:59 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Nachum
Appeasement isn't called playing a card - it's just folding

There's ya' a tagline right there, whoever wants to use it.

34 posted on 01/24/2007 5:21:21 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Nachum
This kind of hard-edged reasoning sounds almost, well, presidential.

How old is Woolsey?

35 posted on 01/24/2007 5:25:00 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: bboop
I think he's a keeper.

Ah, but he's an eeeeeeevile [hushed, husky whisper] Neo-Con! (I know. Doesn't look Jewish, does he?)

36 posted on 01/24/2007 5:31:05 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Nachum

Regarding Jonathan Pollard, the Washington Times recently disclosed that although he was sentenced to a life term, a little noticed change in federal law prior to his sentencing requires automatic parole hearings after 30 years.

With his good behavior time, Pollard could be out of jail in about 6 years if I remember correctly.

But if you think that's bad, then what comes once he's out of jail is even worse. Israel grants their spies large sums of cash while in jail. In Pollards case I believe they owe him over $6 million.


37 posted on 01/25/2007 7:36:10 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining (Only 3 1/2-5% of atmospheric CO2 is the result of human activities. 95-96.5% is from natural sources)
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