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Black Surprises (USAF can take control of enemy missile launchers, radars, etc.)
aviationnow.com ^ | January, 2007 | David A. Fulghum, Michael A. Dornheim & William B. Scott

Posted on 01/24/2007 6:54:09 PM PST by steve86

Other, more contemporary Senior programs named by Arkin reveal and track the Air Force's growing interest in and development of the new field of computer network warfare and electronic attack, which include Senior Keystone (related to classified information warfare) and Senior Suter. However, the Air Force's theme remains the same--penetrating the enemy's defenses.

Senior Suter is a Big Safari-managed special access program. Big Safari itself is a shadowy Air Force unit that has developed small numbers of specialized reconnaissance systems, including drones, in what are often classified programs. The Suter technology was developed during the last several years by BAE Systems and involves invading enemy communications networks and computer systems, particularly those associated with integrated air defense systems (AW&ST Aug. 16, 2004, p. 24; Nov. 4, 2002, p. 30). Suter 1 allowed U.S. operators to monitor what enemy radars could see. The capability enables U.S. forces to assess the effectiveness of their stealth systems or terrain-masking tactics. Suter 2 permits U.S. operators to take control of enemy networks as system managers and actually manipulate the sensors, steering them away from penetrating U.S. aircraft. Suter 3 was tested last summer to add the ability to invade the links to time-critical targets, such as battlefield ballistic missile launchers or mobile surface-to-air missile launchers. Aircraft involved in the Suter programs include the EC-130 Compass Call, RC-135 Rivet Joint and F-16CJ strike aircraft specialized for suppression of enemy air defenses.

Information operations and computer network attack programs are now considered the military's most closely guarded projects, surpassing even new stealth advances.

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Related article in the current issue of Aviation Week and Space Technology.

The "how" of the program is highly classified but the "what" is known in general terms -- break into an enemy's air, land, or sea deployed sigint and weapons systems, monitor, and in later versions, take control of equipment as an active "system manager".

The magazine article mentions a metaphor of making the enemy radar think it's a wash machine and putting it into rinse mode!

These capabilities apparently are tested in realistic flight situations, utilizing multiple specialized aircraft, although deployment is in the early stages with some data acquisition components already employed in Iraq.

The Suter aircraft evidently project multiple digital signal beams into the antennas and other electronic components of the enemy platform to probe and then set up an ad-hoc network, similar to what a "hacker" would do to a target computer on the Internet using ordinary TCP and IP data packets. The nature of the signal beams, however, is a highly guarded secret, but apparently involves some kind of synthesis of the different signals and dynamic adjustment to deal with changing conditions and countermeasures.

1 posted on 01/24/2007 6:54:12 PM PST by steve86
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To: Jeff Head

Ping. Familiar with this?


2 posted on 01/24/2007 6:54:55 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Alas Babylon!; American_Centurion; An.American.Expatriate; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Atigun; Ax; ...
MI Ping

Another "No Comment" thread.

3 posted on 01/24/2007 7:00:56 PM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: ASA Vet

Well, now...is that why that magazine is often known as 'Aviation Leak'?


4 posted on 01/24/2007 7:03:39 PM PST by HiJinx (Ask me about support for the Troops)
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To: ASA Vet

This article was published to tell the Chinese that not only do we know exactly what they are doing, but we overfly their airspace regularly and turn off their radars without their knowing it.

The Chicom ASAT test that has everybody scared is dimestore stuff, if what is in this article is true.

AW&ST shouldn't have run this story, imho.

Now, imagine what we can do to the Iranians.

Be Seeing You,

Chris


5 posted on 01/24/2007 7:04:52 PM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: HiJinx

Glad we could keep it a secret.


6 posted on 01/24/2007 7:10:04 PM PST by popdonnelly (Our first obligation is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: BearWash
"are now considered the military's most closely guarded projects"

Who's doing the "guarding"?

8 posted on 01/24/2007 7:12:36 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: BearWash

bump


9 posted on 01/24/2007 7:13:10 PM PST by VOA
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To: BearWash
I always got a kick when there was a big media story about Chinese hackers and cyber-security and cyber-war stuff and the stories were always written like in awe of them and were very ominous.

A good hacker is like a good virus... if they know its there, you're screwing up.

I'm confident we have capabilities far beyond what this article describes.
10 posted on 01/24/2007 7:13:34 PM PST by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: popdonnelly

Then again, for how long can you keep a spoof secret?


11 posted on 01/24/2007 7:13:50 PM PST by HiJinx (Ask me about support for the Troops)
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To: BearWash

Loose lips sink ships.


12 posted on 01/24/2007 7:16:21 PM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: BearWash
I wonder if this is why the N Koreans had so much trouble firing their missiles?
13 posted on 01/24/2007 7:21:12 PM PST by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our existence.)
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To: BearWash

That we can read enemy radar screens was revealed by the govt as long ago as the Korean airliner shootdown.


14 posted on 01/24/2007 7:24:58 PM PST by tlb
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To: popdonnelly

Yea, just try to keep a secret … impossible in today’s world. In the grand old days of yesteryear, these types of secrets were leaked via lesser-known channels and taken into consideration without the world knowing about them. Advantage … problems solved without the panic of the general population and the general population getting involved.

Was this good or bad … not for me to judge … history will be the judge.


15 posted on 01/24/2007 7:26:59 PM PST by doc1019
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To: BearWash

Is everyone here tired from The State of the Union last night? I expected a Skynet joke within the first ten posts.


16 posted on 01/24/2007 7:28:14 PM PST by Better Dead Than Red (Davis College Republicans (Best Party on Campus))
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To: HiJinx
Then again, for how long can you keep a spoof secret?

As long as the enemy sees what they expect to see, indefinitely. Think Maskirovka.

I had no direct or indirect knowledge of this project but it doesn't surprise me in the least. It is my believe that the US is intending to dominate every part of the electromagnetic spectrum on the battlefield from 3Hz up. That means complete freedom of usage for us and complete denial to the enemy unless we choose to let them use it.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

17 posted on 01/24/2007 7:30:44 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: section9

Very lucid point Sect, and totally agreed. They know what they are doing by letting this out. Th Chinese have long stated they are fearful of our technological advantage on them, this will help further the paranoia


18 posted on 01/24/2007 7:32:13 PM PST by LazarusMan
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To: BearWash
USAF can take control of enemy missile launchers

Now imagine if we could take control of that launched missile and re-direct it back towards the offending country. That would be so neat and so demoralizing to our enemies. Who knows, perhaps we already have that capability. Likewise, we need to make all of the enemy aircraft and tanks inoperable, or at least controlled by us, once a war is declared.

The next thing we need to work on and that's needed now is to cause the IEDs that are killing our soldiers in Iraq to explode in their faces as they're being set up.
19 posted on 01/24/2007 7:34:42 PM PST by adorno
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To: rrc

I hope it's, as you say, a tactical leak. It will certainly make the bad guys wonder, won't it?


20 posted on 01/24/2007 7:35:40 PM PST by skr (Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: TommyDale
Either this has been vetted and got the Pentagons ok, or this is a leak, or ? the military is allowing this to spook our enemies and have systems that are far advanced then this generation of systems.
21 posted on 01/24/2007 7:36:27 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Various types of Electronic Warfare have always been an option. Specifics should not be discussed, no matter who leaked it.


22 posted on 01/24/2007 7:38:55 PM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: adorno
Now imagine if we could take control of that launched missile and re-direct it back towards the offending country.

Ballistic missiles, of course, aren't physically capable of doing that but the technique might apply handily to cruise missiles, RPVs, etc.

23 posted on 01/24/2007 7:39:40 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: TommyDale

You got that right.


24 posted on 01/24/2007 7:40:20 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: TommyDale

If the story wasn't openly available at your local library (where I read it), I would agree.


25 posted on 01/24/2007 7:41:08 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: BearWash

You were only able to read what they want you to read.


26 posted on 01/24/2007 7:42:08 PM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: BearWash; Paleo Conservative

BTTT


27 posted on 01/24/2007 7:42:43 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: BearWash
These capabilities apparently are tested in realistic flight situations, utilizing multiple specialized aircraft, although deployment is in the early stages with some data acquisition components already employed in Iraq.

Now just exactly how much enemy radar and sophisticated battlefield management computing do you think we are facing in Iraq?

28 posted on 01/24/2007 7:42:44 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: BearWash

You didn't read it at MY local library, because is is rarely open! LOL!


29 posted on 01/24/2007 7:42:56 PM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: BearWash

All Your Radar Are Belong To Us


30 posted on 01/24/2007 7:42:59 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: LazarusMan

They don't call it Aviation Leak for nothing!


31 posted on 01/24/2007 7:44:53 PM PST by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: section9

this story was timed to tell China et al to be warned WHILE WE DO IRAN.


32 posted on 01/24/2007 7:45:14 PM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: HiJinx

I don't have the magazine in front of me now but they were also talking about projecting contrived images, IIRC, presumably onto radar screens or the modern equivalent.


33 posted on 01/24/2007 7:49:24 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: section9

I wonder if there will ever again be a war where this kind of gadgetry can bring it to a defined end. Are we fighting a war that might have occurred 40 years ago?

Seems all wars these days end in insurgencies. This kind of stuff is of little value against un-uniformed personnel. And it seems no one on our side has the will to effectively put down an insurgency.

Please convince me that I'm too pessimistic. :(


34 posted on 01/24/2007 7:51:10 PM PST by Chaguito
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To: TommyDale
Have you noticed the silence from those who actually know?
35 posted on 01/24/2007 7:52:47 PM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: Chaguito

And it doesn't help much against a nuke hidden and shielded in a fishing boat, either.


36 posted on 01/24/2007 7:53:21 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: BearWash
Ballistic missiles, of course, aren't physically capable of doing that

Okay, then...

If we can't control a missile's direction, perhaps we could cause it to detonate right above the skies of the offending country. Perhaps that's more doable.
37 posted on 01/24/2007 7:55:08 PM PST by adorno
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To: BearWash
were also talking about projecting contrived images

I think Clancy put something like that in one of his books.

38 posted on 01/24/2007 8:07:49 PM PST by HiJinx (Ask me about support for the Troops)
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To: CurlyDave

Read between the lines "with some data acquisition components already employed in Iraq. " who is next to Iran.


39 posted on 01/24/2007 8:19:11 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: 2111USMC

'"are now considered the military's most closely guarded projects"

Who's doing the "guarding"?'
~~~
That would be A1C Sandy Burglar.


40 posted on 01/24/2007 8:19:51 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Dark Wing; Dog Gone; Shermy; blam

ping


41 posted on 01/24/2007 8:21:23 PM PST by Thud
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Either this has been vetted and got the Pentagons ok,

Eh, an intelligent person can often piece together assorted open-source information on classified stuff and come up with a reasonably good picture of it without having had a leak or Pentagon approval.

42 posted on 01/24/2007 8:33:35 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Thud

Thanks for the ping. Very interesting article.


43 posted on 01/24/2007 8:34:27 PM PST by blam
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To: BearWash
The Suter aircraft evidently project multiple digital signal beams into the antennas and other electronic components of the enemy platform to probe and then set up an ad-hoc network, similar to what a "hacker" would do to a target computer on the Internet using ordinary TCP and IP data packets. The nature of the signal beams, however, is a highly guarded secret,
Smoke ... but no mirrors yet ...
44 posted on 01/24/2007 8:36:53 PM PST by _Jim (Highly recommended book on the Kennedy assassination - Posner: "Case Closed")
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To: ASA Vet

I agree with your comment.


45 posted on 01/24/2007 8:38:55 PM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: BearWash
they were also talking about projecting contrived images, IIRC, presumably onto radar screens or the modern equivalent.
The creation of 'false (RADAR) returns' is an already well-known 'trick' ...
46 posted on 01/24/2007 8:39:18 PM PST by _Jim (Highly recommended book on the Kennedy assassination - Posner: "Case Closed")
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To: BearWash
Yes, I am aware of it. It's the Ultimate in EW.

It would be terrible, for example, if the N. Koreans tested a ballistic missile and it somehow went off course and hit Peking. Or of the Iranians did likewise and it somehow hit Damascus.

47 posted on 01/24/2007 8:40:27 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: _Jim

I think it builds upon that earlier "positional disparity" to create an entirely new virtual view, with fake aircraft, others missing, etc. I am making an educated guess here.


48 posted on 01/24/2007 8:42:53 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


49 posted on 01/24/2007 8:43:19 PM PST by kalee (No burka for me....EVER!)
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To: BearWash
>>>....projecting contrived images, IIRC, presumably onto radar screens or the modern equivalent.<<<

I have VietNam era F-4 (Navy Phantom) pilot friend that tells of flying in the same space with an EA-6B (or maybe it was an E-2 Hawkeye?) and they were joking about cababilities.

The 6B jock asked my friend his call sign....and immediately his radar screen went blank as his callsign was spelled out on its face.

50 posted on 01/24/2007 8:45:31 PM PST by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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