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Bush health care deform (barf alert)
Capital Times ^ | 25 Jan 07

Posted on 01/25/2007 12:10:57 PM PST by rellimpank

While most of the attention to the president's State of the Union address has been focused on George Bush's failed attempt to "sell" the surge of more troops into the Iraq quagmire, the speech will also be remembered for having produced what could be the worst domestic policy proposal of an administration that is not without accomplishment when it comes to turning the wheels of government to make the bad into the truly awful.

What the White House is calling the president's State of the Union health care initiative is, even by the standards of this administration, a nightmarish proposal.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
--Madison's version of the Daily Worker/Pravda weighs in--
1 posted on 01/25/2007 12:11:02 PM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

We have a lot of those on FR lately too -- and they hardly seem upset that they are arguing against the same proposal being opposed by communists and socialists.

2 posted on 01/25/2007 12:15:52 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: rellimpank

The Madison anti-Capitalist Times proudly states on the front page that it is a "progressive" rag. Enough said. By the way, and no coincidence, the editor John Nichols is a frequent guest on Wisconsin Public Radion and writer for The Nation.

3 posted on 01/25/2007 12:24:52 PM PST by driftless2
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To: rellimpank

Well, there is some consideration that needs to be given to the middle class person schmucking in a $40K year job he/she hates but stays there only because it has a sweet health insurance plan. Glen Beck touched on this the other day before the STOU address and the cap was going to be $10, it's been raised to $15000, so maybe it won't hurt as badly.

4 posted on 01/25/2007 12:30:50 PM PST by Dasaji (The U.S.A. is the Land of Opportunity and you've got 50 states to do it in!)
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To: Dasaji
That "sweet health insurance plan" is one of the major factors that is causing our high health costs in this country.

Allow me to briefly explain:

A free market economy works when people make buying decisions based on a cost/benefit analysis. That decision helps make sure that people don't buy too much or pay too much for them. Furthermore, it makes sure that the prices, which are determined by supply and demand, are correct as determined by the market.

If you take that decision making process away from people, it leads to the wrong allocation of resources, high prices, wrong demand and supply, etc.

Our government has made tax laws that make health care "free" or without cost to employees who get free health insurance from their employers. Therefore, there is no cost/benefit price decision making process when they run to the doctor for a cold or a scratch and it is free. In short, people waste, overuse, and buy things at too high of a cost when they are not paying for it directly.

The fix is to not have insurance that covers every little scratch, cold, etc. and is not totally free to the person seeking medical treatment so that the person will have to decide how much health care is worth the cost and whether to get the care in the first place.

Also, the tax laws are illogical in the sense that employees get health care from untaxed dollars (compensation that is not taxed) from their employers, yet people who buy health insurance themselves (self employed, unemployed, etc.) have to pay for it with taxed dollars.

The main problems that are causing high health costs are (1) too much insurance that covers too many non-catostrophic illnesses and thus leads to using too much health care, (2) bad tax laws that give people "free health" care and cause people to use too much and pay too much for health care.

In short, the government has caused this problem with tax laws and insurance laws that make insurance companies provide health care coverage that covers too many things.

If this were left up to the free market, there would not be any health care problem in this country. However, government intervention caused the market not to work.
5 posted on 01/25/2007 12:57:59 PM PST by Hendrix
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To: driftless2

It's a Marxist rag, not progressive.

6 posted on 01/25/2007 1:29:55 PM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: hubbubhubbub

"It's a Marxist rag, not progressive."

They are one in the same. I have never met a liberal, or progressive as they now like to be called, who did not believe most of what Marxist believe.

7 posted on 01/25/2007 1:34:29 PM PST by Hendrix
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To: hubbubhubbub

Progressive is the word socialists use now to describe themselves. They know that most people will automatically shun socialists. So just change what you call yourself, and fool people.

8 posted on 01/25/2007 4:21:52 PM PST by driftless2
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