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Giuliani a tough conservative sell
AP on Yahoo ^ | 1/25/07 | Liz Sidoti - ap

Posted on 01/25/2007 8:32:31 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: BunnySlippers

The Simple reality is the Culture warriors are gonna have to suck it up and vote for President Rudy or not suck it up and accept a president Hillary. Given that reality their choice becomes amazingly simple.


141 posted on 01/25/2007 9:55:32 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: BigSkyFreeper

As long as "conservatives" will vote for the likes of Rudy, the GOP will never get back to its conservative roots. It won't have to. And I'm not whining, nor am I lazy. I've just had enough. You may have been too lazy to research Rudy, but I've lived in NY all my life. Got to see him close up. 9/11 made him. And aside from that day,he has more baggage than a 747. I'm just not buying. And while I'm no liberal, you may well be a lemming.


142 posted on 01/25/2007 9:56:21 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

---"Stand for your principles first. Voting for Hillary shouldn't be one of them."---

Sometimes fighting for your principles means saving the movement over the party.

If Rudy loses - the GOP knows it needs the grassroots Social/Moral/Gun/Cultural Conservatives, and will stay in the fight for their causes. If he wins - they'll dump them faster than a ugly girlfriend, now certain that those issues are polarizing, irrelevant, and unnecessary for victory. Then the issues are dead, or as close as they can be to dead.


143 posted on 01/25/2007 9:57:21 PM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: tomcorn

I have long hoped that we would prevail ... in this election and ones past. We have not.

I have hope that it will happen this time. But just barely. :-|


144 posted on 01/25/2007 9:57:35 PM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: PzLdr

Go build whatever party you intend on building. You're obviously no conservative.


145 posted on 01/25/2007 9:58:02 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: tomcorn

All this "I will never vote for Rudy as God is my witness" stuff from the Culture Warriors is is posturing crap. Given the choice between Rudy and Hillary, they will vote Rudy without a moment's hesitation.

Now isn't that right?


146 posted on 01/25/2007 9:58:56 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: TitansAFC
Sometimes fighting for your principles means saving the movement over the party.

Join the Democrats then.

147 posted on 01/25/2007 9:59:06 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: PzLdr
9/11 made him

So, the Mayor himself exercising his executive duties had nothing to do with his political appeal whatsoever?

What are you looking for in a Chief Exec?
148 posted on 01/25/2007 10:00:55 PM PST by IslandJeff (that for every right there is a duty, for every benefit an obligation)
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To: Sunsong

---"Maybe it's not about you? Maybe there is a much larger picture here?"---

If it were about me, I wouldn't pound the pavement every election for free. I wouldn't give hundreds of hour of my own time to causes I believe are essential to this country.

If it were about me, I'd just side with whoever would make me look the most popular to the most people. And I'd take no sides in the controversial issues that make enemies out of friends.


149 posted on 01/25/2007 10:01:35 PM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Tell me BigSky,

Suppose Rudy wins. Then he follows through on all of those speeches he's given and seeks thorough and stanch gun control - something he expressly believes in.

Then suppose he makes his much desired move to remove the Pro-Life platform from the Party.

Tell me, BigSky, what then for us?


150 posted on 01/25/2007 10:04:27 PM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights, Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing,” he responded. Source: CNN.com, “Inside Politics” Dec 2, 1999 http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Rudy_Giuliani_Abortion.htm

ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES (November 14, 2006)

RUDY GIULIANI (R), FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: I'm pro- choice. I'm pro-gay rights.

KING: Giuliani supports a woman's right to an abortion, and back in 1999, he opposed a federal ban on late-term abortions.

GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.

KING: Immigration could be another presidential landmine. Back in 1996, Mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants.

JEFFREY: He took the side of illegal immigrants in New York City against the Republican Congress.

KING: Giuliani opposes same-sex marriage but as mayor, he supported civil unions and extending health and other benefits to gay couples. He also supported the assault weapons ban and other gun control measures opposed by the National Rifle Association.

GIULIANI: I'm in favor of gun control. I'm pro-choice.

Republican Big-Wigs Support Pro-Abortion Event in NY

Pro-abortion Governor George Pataki and New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who also supports unrestricted abortion, are co-chairs of the 2000 Choice Award Presentation to be held on May 30 at the St. Regis Hotel in New York City. The event is sponsored by the Republican Pro-Choice Coalition, a group that is campaigning for the removal of the pro-life plank from the Republican National Platform.


http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200503010743.asp


151 posted on 01/25/2007 10:06:00 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: tomcorn
Actaully, it's more likely we'd run a third-party candidate than vote for Hitlery.

But knowing Rudy, he'd probably have the lawyers suing everywhere to try and stop that. So we might be stuck voting Hitlery.
152 posted on 01/25/2007 10:06:02 PM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: TitansAFC

I would never vote for Hillary. That said, I would never vote for a pro abort repub. I hope that enough folks agree so that we will never be put in that position. Our nominee must be prolife or he/she will lose. It's really that simple.


153 posted on 01/25/2007 10:07:21 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: TitansAFC
Suppose Rudy wins. Then he follows through on all of those speeches he's given and seeks thorough and stanch gun control - something he expressly believes in.

What do you care? You're voting for Hillary. If gungrabbing and the sanctity of life your biggest issues, why are you taking an unprincipled stand and voting for Hillary?

154 posted on 01/25/2007 10:07:48 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: kinoxi

Great -- the rest of us are most likely going to need the same thing! :)


155 posted on 01/25/2007 10:08:01 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican - Vote Rudy/Steele - Take Back the House and Senate in '08)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

---"What do you care? You're voting for Hillary. If gungrabbing and the sanctity of life your biggest issues, why are you taking an unprincipled stand and voting."---

I do care, and I need one party that does - not two that don't.


156 posted on 01/25/2007 10:09:42 PM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: TitansAFC; BigSkyFreeper; tomcorn
If he wins - they'll dump them faster than a ugly girlfriend, now certain that those issues are polarizing, irrelevant, and unnecessary for victory.

This is one of the most telling posts I've seen in a long time. So you anti-Rudy people are AFRAID that if Rudy wins that the party will stop pandering to your ideas of forcing your morality on others.

Many people who would otherwise vote Republican don't ... because they fear [rightly so in my book] the Jerry Falwell branch of the party.

W. gave them a swift kick in 2000 and they deserve another and soon.

157 posted on 01/25/2007 10:10:42 PM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: prov1813man
Any who would sit home in a snit over perceived or actual shortcomings in ANY candidate who opposes her, in my opinion, plays a pawns role in the process.

Very well stated! Rant anytime because you speak the absolute truth!

158 posted on 01/25/2007 10:10:56 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican - Vote Rudy/Steele - Take Back the House and Senate in '08)
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To: tomcorn

No, that is not right. You need to understand, to me, voting for someone who supports abortion is like sanctioning it. I will not vote for a Rudy, etc., ever!


159 posted on 01/25/2007 10:11:35 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Oh, touche!


160 posted on 01/25/2007 10:11:38 PM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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