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The definition of "swift boating"
politicalgateway.com ^ | 1/25/2007 | Andy Martin

Posted on 01/26/2007 7:32:41 AM PST by Lee'sGhost

Yesterday FReeper Dark Skies posted an editorial by Andy Martin from Political Gateway with the following lead comment:

“Swift boating" is a term that came into use during the 2004 presidential election to reflect Senator John Kerry’s flaccid response to attacks on his wartime record in Viet-Nam. The term, a noun, adjective and verb, has entered the political lexicon and is usually invoked when liberals and Democrats are stung trying to defend themselves against unpleasantly truthful accusations hurled by conservatives.

I took exception to that definitiion and emailed my objection to Mr. Martin as follows:

"Swift boating” is a term that is used to describe a concerted effort to get the truth out about a political candidate. You are confusing the public by defining it incorrectly. Please issue a correction.

Thank you.

Mr. Martin replied:

I am afraid your definition is not correct. I disagree. The left gave "swift boating" an odious connotation and that odor has persisted to the present day. You can't wish that your definition would prevail when it hasn't.

My response was:

I can assure you that within conservative circles swift boating is the definition I provided. YOU are allowing the left to usurp that definition. Perhaps a demonstration is in order.

Thank you."


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If anyone is interested in helping me correct Mr. Martin his email address is:

AndyMart20@aol.com

1 posted on 01/26/2007 7:32:42 AM PST by Lee'sGhost
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To: Dark Skies

ping


2 posted on 01/26/2007 7:33:33 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Swift boating is telling truths about Democrats that make them uncomfortable.

Scurrilous and unfounded claims against Republicans are "a search for the truth".


3 posted on 01/26/2007 7:34:39 AM PST by popdonnelly (Our first obligation is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: popdonnelly

please let Mr. Martin know.


4 posted on 01/26/2007 7:35:35 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

I feel you may be splitting hairs with one another...

"...usually invoked when liberals and Democrats are stung trying to defend themselves against unpleasantly truthful accusations hurled by conservatives. "

He mentioned that his definition included unpleasent TRUTHS that they try to defend themselves against...


5 posted on 01/26/2007 7:37:44 AM PST by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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To: Lee'sGhost

“Swift boating": Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth...........


6 posted on 01/26/2007 7:37:51 AM PST by Red Badger (Rachel Carson is responsible for more deaths than Adolf Hitler...............)
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To: popdonnelly
I agree. A conservative bringing up the actual public record of a liberal is "going negative" and this action justifies hysterical mudslinging from the left, called "a search for the truth".

And Swift Boating is indeed an effort by grass-roots activists to publicize what MSM attempts to bury.
7 posted on 01/26/2007 7:37:51 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Lee'sGhost
The left came up with the term "Swift boating" and gave it a negative connotation.

Most on the right had too much respect for the Veterans involved to use the word.

I don't think we should ever use it for that reason.
8 posted on 01/26/2007 7:40:16 AM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

"Swift Boating" is when the truth is revealed about a liberal and they suffer because of it.


9 posted on 01/26/2007 7:40:55 AM PST by MSF BU
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To: Lee'sGhost

How does he define "Borked?"


10 posted on 01/26/2007 7:41:31 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Yo-Yo

Swedish Chef?


12 posted on 01/26/2007 7:44:17 AM PST by wastedyears ( "Gun control is hitting your target accurately." - Richard Marcinko)
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To: Lee'sGhost

It depends on the definition of "if".

Name me a politician who answers a question directly, truthfully, and with finality.

We are dealing with a bunch of non commitals who stand for whatever is popular at the given moment. Fence riders.
Wind direction testers. Doublespeak distractors.


13 posted on 01/26/2007 7:45:34 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: Baynative

LOL!


14 posted on 01/26/2007 7:46:17 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: Yo-Yo
How does he define "Borked?"

I just want a Lewinsky.

15 posted on 01/26/2007 7:46:53 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: DBrow

I think the MSM reporters should be required to register as lobbyers because they continuously add their directional questions and conclusions to news reporting.


16 posted on 01/26/2007 7:47:07 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: conservativehusker

I agree. the definition is not ideal but it isn't so bad.


17 posted on 01/26/2007 7:47:24 AM PST by altura
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To: msnimje
I believe that it is another example of conservatives allowing the left to define the terms. I think "swift boating" is an excellent term, and if applied correctly honors those who outed Kerry.
18 posted on 01/26/2007 7:48:32 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: Lee'sGhost
I agree with conservativehusker that the definition provided already included your definition, and that you are splitting hairs. If anything, his definition was simply more detailed than yours, and had the added bounus of using the words "flaccid" and "Kerry" in the same sentence.

Conservatives don't need to engage internecine warfare over minor points when we are in essential agreement, IMO.

19 posted on 01/26/2007 7:49:17 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ("Thanks, Tom DeLay, for practically giving me your seat"-Nick Lampson)
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To: Lee'sGhost
Mr. Martin doesn't stay with his OWN definition of 'swift boating' as he defines it. According to him, the term is used when Democrats are stung by unpleasantly 'truthful' allegations. At least he said 'truthful', but then continues to suggest the term defines 'untruthful' allegations, not truthful facts.

In the following lines, he states "For the record, ContrarianCommentary.com has never “swift boated” anyone. Our mantra is: “Just the facts, mam’m."


It is this type of faulty intellect that continues to define the vast majority of the media. They don't have time to check facts, so the easiest way to write is to do it quickly and wait for any fallout. So used to fallout they are, that they now think telling a lie is worth it.
20 posted on 01/26/2007 7:50:36 AM PST by Melinda
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To: Melinda; conservativehusker; Sans-Culotte

Exactly. Thankyou.


21 posted on 01/26/2007 7:53:12 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Swiftie Ping !!


22 posted on 01/26/2007 7:54:08 AM PST by BuffaloJack
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To: Red Badger

I have adopted your post for my tagline. You have really captured the essence of Swiftboating!


23 posted on 01/26/2007 7:56:02 AM PST by OldFriend (Swiftboating - Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth)
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To: Lee'sGhost

At least the author recognized that it was "unpleasant truths" that was being hurled. Let the left keep their definition, we have ours. Just as the left has it's own interpretations of "patriotism, honor, duty, etc." and we know the correct meanings


24 posted on 01/26/2007 7:56:42 AM PST by Thanks RR Rest Well (Hey, at least we reelected W)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Mr. Martin,

I donated $200 to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth during the 2004 election cycle, and find your definition of "Swift-Boating" to be smarmy and intellectually dishonest.

All John Fraud Kerry ever had to do to completely discredit the Swiftees is sign Standard Form SF-180 releasing his ENTIRE military record to the public and submit it to the National Personnel Records Center.

http://www.archives.gov/st-louis/military-personnel/standard-form-180.html#ways

Since Mr. Kerry was campaigning to become Commander-in-Chief of the United States military, his military record was highly relevant. All other Presidential candidates in recent history have made their ENTIRE military records public. Mr. Kerry founded his political career on his military service in Viet Nam. It seems odd that he would be the only candidate to demur from providing his military records.

The problem for Mr. Kerry with releasing his ENTIRE military record to the public is that we would find out the particulars on his three Purple Hearts and Bronze Star, decorations earned in less than 30-days in-country. There are many recipients of a single Purple Heart who are missing body parts, but Mr. Kerry is completely scar-free, except for a few bicycling and snowboarding mishaps.

To this day, we have no idea who awarded these medals or why, other than Mr. Kerry's account. All we ever wanted from Mr. Kerry were documented facts, facts that he evidently considers to be an embarrassment.

Prove me wrong. Convince Mr. Kerry to sign and submit Standard Form SF-180.

Regards,


25 posted on 01/26/2007 7:57:03 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: OldFriend

....and it's less fattening!.......


26 posted on 01/26/2007 7:57:54 AM PST by Red Badger (Rachel Carson is responsible for more deaths than Adolf Hitler...............)
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To: o_zarkman44
"I think the MSM reporters should be required to register as lobbyers "

I'll see that and raise it:

They should get Free Speech Permits and be required to take a test to keep the permit. Then they can access mass media.

Many states require this for concealed carry; no reason not to apply it to the first amendment too.
27 posted on 01/26/2007 7:58:08 AM PST by DBrow
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Excellent letter!


28 posted on 01/26/2007 7:59:42 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Lee'sGhost
Swiftboating is going around the gatekeepers of news, to get a negative story out about a candidate,that otherwise the story would not be known to the public. - Tom
29 posted on 01/26/2007 8:01:42 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Lee'sGhost

30 posted on 01/26/2007 8:04:40 AM PST by Gritty (It is essential only men of unexceptionable character be in places of power and trust-Samuel Adams)
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To: dead

How does he define "Borked?"
I just want a Lewinsky.


Be careful -- you could become another victim of Arkancide.


31 posted on 01/26/2007 8:06:17 AM PST by Clioman
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To: Red Badger

Excellent definition.


32 posted on 01/26/2007 8:06:27 AM PST by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)
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To: Yo-Yo

LOL

"Borked" it's synonymous with the term "Chappaquidiced".


33 posted on 01/26/2007 8:07:29 AM PST by incredulous joe (“Whosoever loveth me loveth my hound.” -- St. Thomas More)
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To: stopem

Danke!.........It's apolitical, Bi-Partisan, Fair and Balanced, and totally fat free!.........


34 posted on 01/26/2007 8:08:13 AM PST by Red Badger (Rachel Carson is responsible for more deaths than Adolf Hitler...............)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

"...decorations earned in [b]less than 30-days in-country[/b]."

Good rant, spoiled by woefully inaccurate fact. Alas.


35 posted on 01/26/2007 8:08:40 AM PST by Phil Harmonic
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To: Gritty

Very good.


36 posted on 01/26/2007 8:09:20 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: popdonnelly

Like Dan Rather's forged documents!


37 posted on 01/26/2007 8:09:49 AM PST by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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To: incredulous joe

"Chappaquidiced"......which is NOT to be confused with "Chappaquidicide"......


38 posted on 01/26/2007 8:09:58 AM PST by Red Badger (Rachel Carson is responsible for more deaths than Adolf Hitler...............)
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To: Phil Harmonic
Good rant, spoiled by woefully inaccurate fact. Alas.

So how long was he in-country?

I got my info from John O'Neill's book.

39 posted on 01/26/2007 8:10:16 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
There are many recipients of a single Purple Heart who are missing body parts ...

There are many recipients of a single Purple Heart who DEAD prematurely.

40 posted on 01/26/2007 8:11:07 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

BTW, sKerry still has not released his military records.


41 posted on 01/26/2007 8:12:27 AM PST by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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To: DuncanWaring
There are many recipients of a single Purple Heart who DEAD prematurely.

I realize that. The dead ones don't often run for political office, though.

;^>

42 posted on 01/26/2007 8:14:49 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I suspect we would also find a less-than-honorable discharge and the results of a Jimma Carter "correction of military records" board to give sKerry an honorable discharge.


43 posted on 01/26/2007 8:15:59 AM PST by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Thx for the ping. Good letter!


44 posted on 01/26/2007 8:16:17 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Gritty; Lee'sGhost

I vote for Gritty's def in #30. At least that's how I've always interpreted it: it's the exposure of anybody (could be of any political persuasion) trying to self-aggrandize & score points with the electorate (or anyone FTM) by misrepresenting the circumstances of his/her military service (+ possibly an academic record,professional career et al?), when the factual historical record is publicly clarified by other people who were in a position to know the less-flattering truth of those circumstances.


45 posted on 01/26/2007 8:33:13 AM PST by leilani (Dimmi, dimmi se mai fu fatta cosa alcuna!)
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To: popdonnelly

"Swift boating is telling truths about Democrats that make them uncomfortable.

Scurrilous and unfounded claims against Republicans are "a search for the truth"."

Another term screaming for clarification "Refuted".

I am so tired of having some mind addled dolt tell me something (like the Swifties) have been 'refuted' simply because some approved liberal source has published a piece that disagrees.

This takes me back to the source of the communications problem.

"True" and "Fact" are defined as any idea that comes from an approved liberal source, like the Guardian or the Times, or that has been stated as true by a national liberal.

"Lie" is any idea that the left does not agree with.

It is exceptionally hard to hold a debate with folk who define stuff like this.


46 posted on 01/26/2007 8:43:35 AM PST by Jim Verdolini
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To: popdonnelly
Swift Boating is getting the real record out instead of a media driven, superhyped, false lie.

I am still convinced to this day that Kerry got and dishonorable discharge, but we will never know because he has not signed off to release his records.

47 posted on 01/26/2007 8:48:04 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Clioman

Or you may be "Nifonged".


48 posted on 01/26/2007 8:48:45 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Yo-Yo
"How does he define "Borked?"

How would he define "Rathered"

49 posted on 01/26/2007 8:49:28 AM PST by skimask (People who care what you do don't matter.......People who matter don't care what you do.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

All John Fraud Kerry ever had to do to completely discredit the Swiftees is sign Standard Form SF-180 releasing his ENTIRE military record to the public and submit it to the National Personnel Records Center. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Since he had nothing to hide anyway. /sarc


50 posted on 01/26/2007 8:55:52 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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