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OUTSIDE THE BOX: Accumulating Debt Levels Could Send Taxes Much Higher
Yahoo! Finance ^ | Jan 24, 2006 | Jeff Neal

Posted on 01/26/2007 8:19:40 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot

Many economists have been warning against the ramifications of high U.S. debt levels for a long time. Now even the Comptroller General of the United States Mr. David M. Walker is sounding the alarm. The Comptroller recently warned that if the country continues on its current fiscal path, it will gradually erode and have an adverse impact on the economy, the nation's standard of living, and, over time, America's national security. He also went on to say that U.S. taxes would indeed have to double to account for the Bush budget in 2040.

Recently, a hearing that took place in the nation's capitol, a government economic consulting firm indicated that there could be terrible repercussions for the U.S. economy if a serious effort is not attempted to restrain spending. In fact, if action is not implemented relatively soon, that large tax increases will certainly be required down the road.

Mr. Walker heads the Government Accountability Office, which is designed to be an independent watchdog of Congress that evaluates spending of U.S. tax monies and advises Congress on how to improve government programs, painted a dismal picture for lawmakers. He conveyed that since the year 2000, the net social insurance commitments and other fiscal obligations in the United States have surged from $20 trillion to $50 trillion, which is quadruple this country's total economic output. He noted that rising health care costs was the biggest reason for this stunning increase.

He also reiterated what many leading economists have been asserting for a long time now, which is that if nothing is done to take control of government spending, then large tax hikes would have to be the alternative. To put it in perspective, Mr. Walker pointed out that just to balance the budget, by the year 2040 the government would require either actions as big as reducing total federal spending by 60 percent or increasing federal taxes to almost 2 times the current level.

As far as the big spending going on with the war, and in particular the cost estimates produced by the Bush administration for sending 21,500 more troops to Iraq this year, Mr. Walker had serious concerns. The Comptroller General emphasized that the money earmarked for spending on the troop escalation was much more than needed for the number of troops involved.

The bottom line for all of us is that economic and fiscal responsibility is more paramount than ever when it comes to our elected officials. Otherwise, not just the nation's economic health and the standard living of the citizenry that's at risk, but the country's national security as well.

Happy Trading. Jeff Neal Senior Writer, Options Strategist & Profit Strategies Radio Show Market Correspondent Visit Jeff's Forum Listen to Jeff at www.ProfitStrategiesRadio.com


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: assclown
I'm so tired of David Walker. Talking about 2040 and the Bush budget is the utmost assclownery. No need to worry about the next 8 Presidential terms after Bush leaves office, all those future budget problems are Bush's fault!
1 posted on 01/26/2007 8:19:43 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Mr. Walker pointed out that just to balance the budget, by the year 2040 the government would require either actions as big as reducing total federal spending by 60 percent or increasing federal taxes to almost 2 times the current level.

I think we know which way the dems will go...

2 posted on 01/26/2007 8:22:36 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

The deteriation of medicare and social security is the primary problem.


3 posted on 01/26/2007 8:23:17 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Our debt is not the issue. The way the US measures debt makes to number virtually meaningless.

The problem is how we spend our money (very recklessly).

Bush's biggest contribution to our national debt is the prescription drug benefit.

Social Security and Medicare are our biggest debts, not the money we currently owe.
4 posted on 01/26/2007 8:25:37 AM PST by NeilGus
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To: Toddsterpatriot

2040 is 33 years away. For tax revenues to double over that period, they must grow at only 2%+- per year. That seems right on target.


5 posted on 01/26/2007 8:39:01 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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2040 is 33 years away. For tax revenues to double over that period, they must grow at only 2%+- per year. That seems right on target.

He's talking about doubling rates not revenues.

by the year 2040 the government would require either actions as big as reducing total federal spending by 60 percent or increasing federal taxes to almost 2 times the current level.

6 posted on 01/26/2007 8:47:56 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

He doesn't say rates, he says taxes and that usually means the amount collected. If he thinks raising rates will increase revenues, he is an idiot.


7 posted on 01/26/2007 8:53:34 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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He doesn't say rates, he says taxes and that usually means the amount collected.

I have to disagree with your assertion.

He also went on to say that U.S. taxes would indeed have to double to account for the Bush budget in 2040.

Do you really think he meant tax revenues would have to double by 2040, without knowing that revenues (and spending) will have increased greatly over the next 33 years with no new action by the government? He is a liberal, but he's not that stupid.

If he thinks raising rates will increase revenues, he is an idiot.

Raising rates will increase revenues, just not as much as he might expect.

8 posted on 01/26/2007 9:05:04 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Dark Skies
He doesn't say rates, he says taxes and that usually means the amount collected. If he thinks raising rates will increase revenues, he is an idiot.

People like David Walker must not understand the difference between tax RATES and tax REVENUE anyway. Even if he did, he probably thinks they always move in the same direction.

9 posted on 01/26/2007 9:05:13 AM PST by Niteranger68 (The United States is a safe haven for all cultures……except its own.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Raising rates will increase revenues, just not as much as he might expect.

By that logic, cutting taxes (rates) would not spur the economy and would reduce tax revenues over time. I am afraid the evidence doesn't support that thesis.

10 posted on 01/26/2007 9:15:28 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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By that logic, cutting taxes (rates) would not spur the economy

You misunderstand. I do not think raising rates is good for the economy. I do think cutting rates boosts the economy. That doesn't mean that raising rates doesn't raise more revenue.

Take the case of taxes on cigarettes. Here in Chicago, Cook County doubled the cigarette tax to $2.00 per pack. I'm sure Cook County will collect more in cigarette taxes. I'm also sure they will not collect twice as much.

I am afraid the evidence doesn't support that thesis.

Perhaps you have some of this evidence? I'd have no problem with the idea of cutting Federal tax rates in half. I also have no problem saying that revenues would be reduced, just not by 50%.

11 posted on 01/26/2007 9:25:10 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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Corrected for what will actually happen:

Accumulating Debt Levels Could Push Greedy Geezers Back to Work at Wal-Mart. ;)

12 posted on 01/26/2007 9:26:56 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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Cutting tax rates definitely reduces tax revenues at the time they are cut, but this increases economic activity which in turn increases revenues over time.

That said, there is a point in terms of rates below which the law of diminishing marginal returns takes effect.

13 posted on 01/26/2007 9:33:23 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Dark Skies
Cutting tax rates definitely reduces tax revenues at the time they are cut, but this increases economic activity which in turn increases revenues over time.

True (except capital gains) and true.

That said, there is a point in terms of rates below which the law of diminishing marginal returns takes effect.

You bet.

14 posted on 01/26/2007 9:35:47 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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