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Hillary/Giuliani: Serious About Race For President
WCBSTV.COM ^ | 27 JANUARY 2007 | AP

Posted on 01/27/2007 8:42:25 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist

(CBS) NEW YORK -- After all the hinting hemming and hawing about whether they are really in the race Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani left no doubt in the minds of voters that they are serious about a presidential run in 2008.

"As a republican and I'm very, very optimistic that we're gonna turn this around and that we're gonna turn it around very, very quickly. Meaning this year, in time for 2008," said Giuliani-R , Former NYC Mayor at an engagement in New Hampshire.

And Senator Clinton confirmed her White House intentions in Iowa with her newly innovated slogan "I'm in it to win it."

"They're both in the race. Hillary has a much bigger organization set up. She's been raising money nationally longer," said political analyst Joseph Mercurio, about the man who was nicknamed America's Mayor after 9/11 and the senator who would be returning to the White House this time in the top job. "He's got a tremendous amount of name recognition nationally. He needs to set up a national organization before he's fully plunged into the race. But, undoubtedly he's running just as well as she is," he said.

So, what happens if it shakes out to be a Hillary versus Rudy battle for the white house in 08?

Mercurio says, "it would obviously good if one or the other of them won for New York City or the state how that plays in the rest of the country whether the New York image is a drag or not is a whole other conversation."


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1 posted on 01/27/2007 8:42:26 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I believe Rudy or Hillary is very dangerous to the country!

They are against everything I am for!

I am for stopping the planned MURDER of unborn babies.
I am for honest people having access to weapons.
I am for securing the borders and deporting all people who overstay their visas or just INVADE our country.
2 posted on 01/27/2007 8:46:34 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Wow. You're really getting off on this Rudy Giuliani for POTUS stuff. Tell me something. If Rudy was such a conservative why haven't FReepers been talking about him for years and years? Could it be, Rudy`s just a liberal pretending to be something he is not.

"Despite all of his charisma and the wonderful leadership he showed after 9/11, Rudy Giuliani is not a Reagan Republican. To the contrary, Giuliani is another Christie Todd Whitman, another Arlen Specter, another Olympia Snowe. He's a throwback to the "bad old days" before Reagan, when the GOP was run by moderate Country Club Republicans who considered conservatives to be extremists. Trying to revive that failed strategy again is likely to lead to a Democratic President in 2008 and numerous setbacks for the Republican Party."

~~~ John Hawkins, Right Wing News, "The Conservative Case Against Rudy Giuliani In 2008"

3 posted on 01/27/2007 8:54:49 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Rudy peaked as mayor of NYC. He should quit while he is ahead.


4 posted on 01/27/2007 8:55:58 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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5 posted on 01/27/2007 8:56:39 PM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Hillary/Giuliani: Serious About Race For President

Wow, the headline makes it look like they're running on the same ticket.

And that would be appropriate given they agree on most issues.

6 posted on 01/27/2007 8:57:04 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

7 posted on 01/27/2007 8:57:31 PM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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The Conservative Case Against Rudy Giuliani

by John Hawkins
Posted Aug 30, 2006 Rudy Giuliani, a contender for the presidency in 2008, is receiving an inordinate amount of positive attention. That's quite understandable since Rudy is charismatic, did a great job on the campaign trail for President Bush in 2004, and his phenomenal performance after 9/11 was much appreciated. However, likeable or not, having Rudy as the GOP's candidate in 2008 would be a big mistake. Here's a short, but sweet primer on some of Rudy's many flaws.

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."
Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:
"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999
It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:
His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."
Here's more from the New York Daily News:
"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."
Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:
"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."
That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:
"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."
If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

A More Charismatic Version of Arlen Specter

Rudy Giuliani may have many fine qualities, but he is not a conservative, nor has he always been a loyal Republican.

For example, back in the mid-nineties, when he was actually running New York City, Rudy could have fairly been said to have governed as a moderate at best and to the left-of-center at worst:
The New York Observer also had a very interesting selection of quotes from and about Rudy over the years that may give his conservative supporters more than a little pause. Here are a few of those quotations: Does this really sound like the sort of candidate we want as a standard bearer for the Republican Party?

He Can't Keep His Pants Up

There has only been one man who has ever made it to the White House after being divorced and that was Ronald Reagan, who had been married to Nancy for more than 25 years before his campaign in 1980. Rudy, on the other hand, is on his third wife.

Furthermore, his second divorce from Donna Hanover was extremely ugly. Hanover accused Rudy of "open and notorious adultery." She also claimed Rudy had an affair with a staffer, Christyne Lategano-Nicholas, which both Giuliani and Lategano-Nicholas denied. However, Rudy has acknowledged that he started seeing his current wife, Judith Nathan, before his divorce from Hanover was finalized in 2002.

Given how recent this divorce was, Rudy's adultery, and the fact that he married, "the other woman," the press can be expected to cover Rudy's marriage to Hanover exhaustively if he gets the nomination and needless to say, Rudy, quite deservedly, will not come off very well.

Does He Have The Judgment To Be President?

As you've just seen, Rudy hasn't necessarily made the best decisions in his personal life. Unfortunately, the Bernard Kerik incident shows that Giuliani's poor judgment can spill over into political matters as well.

Rudy recommended his friend and business partner, Bernard Kerik, for the position of Homeland Security Secretary and the Bush administration, perhaps because Rudy vouched for him, didn't do a very thorough job of vetting him.

Soon after Kerik's nomination became public, allegations surfaced that Kerik was having two simultaneous affairs, had ties to a construction company "linked to the mob," and had an illegal alien nanny whose taxes hadn't been paid. Under fire from the press, Kerik withdrew his name from consideration for the Homeland Security position and the Bush administration was left with egg on its face for putting up such a scandal ridden nominee.

While the whole debacle was embarrassing for the Bush Administration, it raised even more serious questions about Rudy. After all, if Bernard Kerik is the sort of person Rudy sees as an appropriate friend, business partner, and nominee to run the Homeland Security Department, it makes you wonder what kind of people he is surrounding himself with on a day to day basis.

How Electable Is Rudy Giuliani Really?

One of the biggest selling points for Rudy Giuliani is supposed to be that he's "electable" because a lot of independents and Democrats will vote for him. The problem with that sort of thinking is that if he becomes the Republican nominee, the very liberal mainstream media will spend nine months relentlessly savaging him in an effort to help the Democrats. Because of that, Giuliani's sky high polling numbers with non-Republicans are 100% guaranteed to drop significantly before election time rolls around in 2008.

That is not necessarily a problem; after all the mainstream media is always against the Republican nominee, if -- and this is a big "if" -- the GOP nominee has strong support from the Republican base.

The big problem Rudy has is that he isn't going to be able to generate that kind of support. For one thing, as a candidate, he offers almost nothing to social conservatives, without whom a victory for George Bush in 2004 wouldn't have been possible. If the choice in 2008 comes down to a Democrat and a pro-abortion, soft on gay marriage, left-of-center candidate on social issues -- like Rudy -- you can be sure that millions of "moral values voters" will simply stay home and cost the GOP the election.

The other issue is in the South. George Bush swept every Southern state in 2000 and 2004, which is quite an impressive feat when you consider that the Democrats had Southerner Al Gore at the top of the ticket in 2000 and John Edwards as the veep in 2004. Unfortunately, a pro-abortion, soft on gay marriage, pro-gun control RINO from New York City just isn't going to be able to repeat that performance. Even against a carpetbagger like Hillary Clinton, it's entirely likely that you'll see at least 2 or 3 states in the South turn from red to blue if Rudy Giuliani is the nominee.

Also, the reason why George Bush's approval numbers have been mired in the high thirties/low forties of late is because he has lost a significant amount of Republican support, primarily because his domestic policies aren't considered conservative enough. Since that's the case, running a candidate who is several steps to Bush's left on domestic policy certainly doesn't seem like a great way to unite the base again.

Conclusion

Despite all of his charisma and the wonderful leadership he showed after 9/11, Rudy Giuliani is not a Reagan Republican. To the contrary, Giuliani is another Christie Todd Whitman, another Arlen Specter, another Olympia Snowe. He's a throwback to the "bad old days" before Reagan, when the GOP was run by moderate Country Club Republicans who considered conservatives to be extremists. Trying to revive that failed strategy again is likely to lead to a Democratic President in 2008 and numerous setbacks for the Republican Party.

8 posted on 01/27/2007 8:58:02 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Juliani would make her look like a scared and naive little school girl in any type of debate.
9 posted on 01/27/2007 9:03:22 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: Spiff

So, who are you supporting?


10 posted on 01/27/2007 9:03:56 PM PST by IslandJeff (that for every right there is a duty, for every benefit an obligation)
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To: perfect stranger

Did you ever notice how close the 'G' and the 'J' keys are?


11 posted on 01/27/2007 9:04:56 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
See they have posted their usual long pieces of nonsense on another Rudy thread.

The following explains how they feel and why they cannot understand a candidate that would stand up for our military and the WOT and put social issues off the radar. From one of their leaders of the Anti-Rudy group posted to me tonight:

That the difference in you and the religious right. We have religious and moral convictions, and we don't vote for a candidate just so he can win. We vote issues, not people.

Tommy Dale, 27 Jan 2007

To think my daughter and son-in-law in the Navy served in a combat zone for voters like this? However much I supported Rudy before, I support him even more after getting that post back to me.

12 posted on 01/27/2007 9:10:49 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican - Vote Rudy/Steele - Take Back the House and Senate in '08)
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To: Spiff

I never could or would vote for someone that thinks abortion is ok … be they Democrats, Republican, Independent or otherwise.

I might pass on the 2008 elections, but my conscience is at stake. Soon I will have to face GOD, and I would not want to face Him with the knowledge that I voted for someone that was pro-abortion.

Got too many other sins to answer for, why add another. Especially one so obviously against GOD’s will.


13 posted on 01/27/2007 9:16:52 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Hillary is in to win.
Bring's in ChiCom yen.
Put a damper on Bill's excessive sins. She wants to smack our Constitution with her rolling pin.
14 posted on 01/27/2007 9:17:31 PM PST by harpo11 (Back to the Days of Treachery, Skullduggery and Scandal--The Co-Presidents Are In To Win)
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To: Spiff

There once was a RINO named Rudy
He's a liberal pol through and through-ty
But he's soon going to find
That we're all not his kind
And our duty's to kick his patootie


15 posted on 01/27/2007 9:20:20 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Rudy is Hillary, in drag, with more personal baggage.)
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To: PhiKapMom
Exactly what about the comment bugs you so much or states that TommyDale doesn't care about what happens to our service men and women.

If you're taking the stand that opposition to Giuliani is tantamount to being against the war on terror and the military, you're becoming delusional.
17 posted on 01/27/2007 9:22:45 PM PST by BW2221
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To: perfect stranger
Did you ever notice how close the 'G' and the 'J' keys are?

It's a conspiracy! The qwerty keyboard was created by women trying to keep men out of the typing pool. My phone has 1,2,3, etc in the right order.

18 posted on 01/27/2007 9:23:05 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: zarf
The fetus wing of the party is rabid. They are busy driving the mainstream of the party away. Shame. They almost had a Supreme Court majority within their grasp.

As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. We also oppose the United Nations or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people. We believe in defending our borders, our constitution and our national sovereignty.

Take your anti-fetus, pro-death abortionism elsewhere, swine.

19 posted on 01/27/2007 9:24:46 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: BW2221; TommyDale

This is one of the despicable new tactics of the Rudy McRomniacs. I've seen it trotted out several times today. If you don't support a liberal, conservatism will die. If you don't support Rudy McRomney, you support Hillary, and hate our troops.

I suppose it makes sense to someone...in a mental institution.


20 posted on 01/27/2007 9:25:54 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Rudy is Hillary, in drag, with more personal baggage.)
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To: doc1019

Check out this link for spiritual support.

http://www.lutheransforlife.org/Life_Issue_Info/Abortion/is_abortion_an_election_issue.htm


21 posted on 01/27/2007 9:26:04 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: Spiff
We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc.

I bet you wear Banlon shirts.

22 posted on 01/27/2007 9:26:12 PM PST by zarf
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To: PhiKapMom
To think my daughter and son-in-law in the Navy served in a combat zone for voters like this?

Right. Serving in a combat zone so someone can vote on issues and convictions is bad? I thank them for affording me the opportunity.

23 posted on 01/27/2007 9:27:25 PM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: zarf
The fetus wing of the party is rabid.

The anti-fetus wing of the two parties is more rabid...so much so that they've managed to butcher over 45 million Americans. I hope you're proud, and that you understand that God's gonna want an accounting.

24 posted on 01/27/2007 9:28:16 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Rudy is Hillary, in drag, with more personal baggage.)
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To: zarf

He was quoting Jim Robinson, your host.


25 posted on 01/27/2007 9:29:04 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Rudy is Hillary, in drag, with more personal baggage.)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
My phone has 1,2,3, etc in the right order

Why is the phone pattern upside-down from the keypad on the right side of most keyboards?

26 posted on 01/27/2007 9:30:13 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: harpo11

If Viagra hadn't been invented, Clinton, Newt and Rudy would have stayed out of a lot of trouble ... and Bob Dole would have missed out on an advertising gig.


27 posted on 01/27/2007 9:30:15 PM PST by BW2221
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To: EternalVigilance
Their losing it trying to do damage control.
28 posted on 01/27/2007 9:30:22 PM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: IslandJeff

somebody who can't win.


29 posted on 01/27/2007 9:30:38 PM PST by oceanview
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To: zarf

They blew it in 2006 with their temper tantrums. If I have any say they are not going to blow 2008 as we all reach out to those that have been driven away and others to win the WH and Take Back Congress. We cannot afford to pander any longer to that group. The President cannot overturn abortion and his job is to uphold the law of the land even if there are some bad laws. Don't think some of them have ever gotten it through their heads that the President has no power on the subject! We do have three branches of Government!


31 posted on 01/27/2007 9:31:10 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican - Vote Rudy/Steele - Take Back the House and Senate in '08)
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To: upsdriver

As a Minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, I appreciate your helpful link and will check it out.

Rev. Dr. JH, DD


32 posted on 01/27/2007 9:31:55 PM PST by doc1019
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To: operation clinton cleanup
I agree. He'd be a good Director of FEMA for a Democratic President! He would NEVER get my vote for President.

How about those on here that are trying to 'redefine' conservatism with their new, modern, phoney 'labels' for conservatism that include,,,,

"common sense conservative",,,,

"pragmatic conservative",,,

or "realistic conservative"???

Did I miss any?

Those are the new, trendy, artificial terms that many Rudy supporters have dreamt up--and used repeatedly here on FR to justify (and rationalize in their minds) their support of a LIBERAL, lawyer from New York--while diluting, obfuscating, fracturing and REDEFINING traditional principles of the Republican Party.

I guess this new political relativism can also be called artificial, 'manufactured conservatism' (my new term)!!

How about THIS INSTEAD? How about 'realistic liberal'? Or 'common sense liberal'? Or 'pragmatic liberal' for a change? Why do Republicans have to MOVE THE PARTY FURTHER TO THE LEFT, instead of the OTHER PARTY moving somewhat to the middle???

Amazing.

33 posted on 01/27/2007 9:32:06 PM PST by stockstrader ("Where government advances--and it advances relentlessly--freedom is imperiled"-Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: zarf
"I bet you wear Banlon shirts."

Banlon was cool. It'll be back some day; like peddal-pushers.
34 posted on 01/27/2007 9:32:35 PM PST by BW2221
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To: zarf

and if they help Hillary win in 2008 - the abortion is - IS OVER. look at the SCOTUS makeup, who will retire, who is getting old. If a Dem wins the presidency in 2008, Roe will be the law of the land for another 25 years.

they will all complain about it for another 25 years I guess. I think that's what they want, they just want the issue so they can complain about it - but explain to them how to use the political system to do something about it, they can't grasp it.


35 posted on 01/27/2007 9:33:15 PM PST by oceanview
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To: beltfed308

The military fights so you have the right to vote but I also have the right to speak out and say that anyone that puts social issues ahead of the military and the WOT gets no respect from me whatsoever and obviously don't have family in the military.

Never heard of not wanting to win elections because without winning your agenda is DOA but that doesn't seem to matter!


36 posted on 01/27/2007 9:35:51 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican - Vote Rudy/Steele - Take Back the House and Senate in '08)
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To: perfect stranger
Why is the phone pattern upside-down from the keypad on the right side of most keyboards?

I steer clear of that whole keypad hornets nest.. I just use the number keys at the top of the keyboard.

38 posted on 01/27/2007 9:36:37 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: PhiKapMom

You don't have any say. And you're not representative of Oklahoman Republicanism.


39 posted on 01/27/2007 9:36:56 PM PST by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: EternalVigilance

Why don't you call Jim Robinson to the thread so you can play bigshot again? Brought to you by someone who belongs in a mental institution!


40 posted on 01/27/2007 9:38:35 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican - Vote Rudy/Steele - Take Back the House and Senate in '08)
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To: zarf
"The fetus wing of the party is rabid. They are busy driving the mainstream of the party away."

It's interesting that people like you want to pin the blame for the 2006 loss on the GOP's right wing. The reason the GOP lost can be summed up in two words - George Bush.

I've run this a number of times but it bears repeating; a Pew Research Center exit poll from November:

"As expected, the election turned out in large measure to be a referendum on President Bush and the war in Iraq -- bad news for Republicans. About six-in-ten voters (59%) said they were either dissatisfied (30%) or angry (29%) with the president. By more than two-to-one, those dissatisfied with Bush supported the Democratic candidate in their district (69%-29%); among those angry with the president the margin was more than fifteen-to-one (92%-6%).

Bush was much more of a drag on his party's candidates than was former President Clinton in 1994, the year that Republicans won control of Congress. More than a third (36%) of the electorate said they voted to oppose Bush; that compares with 27% who voted to oppose Clinton in 1994, and 21% in 1998, the year Congress impeached the president."
41 posted on 01/27/2007 9:39:10 PM PST by BW2221
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To: oceanview

I voted Republican in 2006. This FRino made myth that conservatives "stayed home" is just that... a myth. Conservatives didn't lose Republicans the Congress. Bush did.


42 posted on 01/27/2007 9:40:07 PM PST by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: oceanview

It's funny. I could comfortably vote for Duncan Hunter, Romney or Rudy (McCain is a looney).....whoever was nominated to run against Shrillary. It's such a no brainer. The fetus wing is completely off their meds.


43 posted on 01/27/2007 9:40:15 PM PST by zarf
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To: zarf

and indeed, that's the only way. no openly anti-Roe judge can make it onto the SCOTUS. It doesn't matter if James Dobson is elected president, there is no possible senate makeup that would confirm an openly anti-Roe judge. so what that leaves us with, is judicial philosophy - that's the best the right can do when it send up a SCOTUS nominee. Roberts and Alito were great choices.

Hillary as president on the other hand, will send up openly pro-Roe judges - and they will ALL be confirmed.


44 posted on 01/27/2007 9:40:42 PM PST by oceanview
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To: streetpreacher

You mean all of you that elected Istook in the primary that got defeated 2-1 in the general. Thanks for giving us four more years of a liberal pro-abortion trial attorney for Governor.

I am glad I am not representative of you folks that gave us Istook -- just wait until everything comes out. I suppose you support kicking out Mike Reynolds from the Republican Caucus as well because he didn't vote for the Speaker of the House.

I represent a lot of Republicans in my County BTW.


45 posted on 01/27/2007 9:40:53 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican - Vote Rudy/Steele - Take Back the House and Senate in '08)
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To: stockstrader; zarf
Other than he cleaned up NYC in the 90's, I don't really see what makes Rudy qualified to be the Republican nominee in 2008.
46 posted on 01/27/2007 9:41:34 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: BW2221

Yep. Bush is uninspiring as far as leadership goes, all of those "Day in the Life" threads notwithstanding.


47 posted on 01/27/2007 9:42:05 PM PST by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

I use the numeric keys on the top for memorized passwords and keystroke combinations. But when I do alot of number work my right hand gravitates to it.


48 posted on 01/27/2007 9:43:09 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: BW2221

we barely won the presidential elections of 2000 and 2004. 537 votes in one state and a popular vote loss in 2000, a one state win where a 65K vote swing in one state would have sent it the other way, in 2004.


49 posted on 01/27/2007 9:44:00 PM PST by oceanview
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To: PhiKapMom

I didn't vote for any of them. I'm an Arkansan... for a short while longer.


50 posted on 01/27/2007 9:44:06 PM PST by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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