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Revealed: how eBay sellers fix auctions
Times Online UK ^ | Jan.28, 2007

Posted on 01/28/2007 6:38:39 AM PST by COUNTrecount

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To: bvw

When I go shopping on eBay, I search that seller out pretty darn good before I bid. That doesn't always work; but it works often enough to give a pretty good selling history.

I think you can learn more about a person selling on eBay than you can shopping at flea markets.

I don't see much of a difference between the two. (fraud potential wise).


141 posted on 01/28/2007 12:53:07 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: rottndog

You have to be kidding. There is no rule against bidding at the last few minutes or seconds that I am aware of. The interested person who wants something has ample opportunity to put in a maximum bid that will not be overriden by a sniping bid. I got burned a couple of times by sniping but I have nipped that in the bud by waiting until the last 10 or 15 minutes and then putting in my maximum bid. I take the attitude that if the sniper wants it bad enough he's going to pay for it. That's his choice. I'm in control up to my maximum bid. I can also walk away just like a regular auction if the bidding gets out of hand.

Shill bidding is just plain crooked. I'm sorry, but I'm just telling it like it is.


142 posted on 01/28/2007 12:53:43 PM PST by RichardW
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To: COUNTrecount

And one other thing to watch out for is fenced goods. I once got burned myself when I found the serial number ground off. I tried through three police departments for them to look into it but they weren't interested. I was finally told to take it back for a refund which I did. So watch out for stolen goods. It's out there. Again, watch the reputation of the seller and read the feedback. A clean seller has not business selling stolen goods. It could happen but how anyone could miss a ground off serial number is a little hard to comprehend. And by the way, I even went so far as to recover the serial number from the bottom of the unit but that still didn't get the police department's attention. They wouldn't even return my phone calls. You're on your own out there.


143 posted on 01/28/2007 12:55:05 PM PST by RichardW
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To: Calpernia

Ebay is bidding for me. I place a maximum bid -- their system places the actual bid.


144 posted on 01/28/2007 12:56:44 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
Plagiarized from an Ebay message board:

eBay -if it ain't broke, we'll fix it until it is.

145 posted on 01/28/2007 12:59:53 PM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: bvw

No. That is scripting you executed by selecting the option. That is not a person acting on your behalf. That is a computer program you entered the field and hit run.


146 posted on 01/28/2007 12:59:57 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: RichardW

eBay is definitely the Wild West of the internet
you have to be savvy
they blow off any complaints about 2nd chance offers, although lately all the higher priced stuff is anonymous

I'm surprised at all the complaints about shipping cost since these are all listed up front, and are readily visible.

but I've sold thousands of dollars of classic auto parts at prices I probably would not have gotten without a ton of traveling and wasted time at shows/markets


147 posted on 01/28/2007 1:03:03 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: nascarnation

And booth rental difference!


148 posted on 01/28/2007 1:05:02 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
"eBay is not a licensed auctioneer"

There's the rub, eh? eBay is enjoying the pixelated fairy dust of being exempt from established business common law doctrines, not to mention regulations regarding auction sales because (1) of the internet novelty (that was, but is no longer applicable) and (2) because of it's hugeness.

It *is* an auction and eBay *is* an auctioneer, that's just the plain fact.

I wish that they STAY exempted from the burden of regulation, but not of common law doctrine. To that end they should seek to protect the bidder in the cases of withdrawn bids more than they do.

Complaints such as this article and mine do when heard again and again without a private market correction, do bring on governmental regulation.

149 posted on 01/28/2007 1:06:46 PM PST by bvw
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To: nascarnation

Well certainly high shipping costs of heavy merchandise is justified. I once shipped a cultivator to Canada and that didn't come cheap although it was on the buyer's dime. But for a two ounce package to be shipped for $30 is outrageous. Ebay should ban those crooks permanently , even if it is up front. Some items simply can't be justified to be shipped due to the weight, although automobiles can be purchased and delivered as I have done it. It's not cheap but it's possible. But if a person wanted to purchase a weight training system, that is practically a local pick-up item. But most items are shipable at a reasonable cost.


150 posted on 01/28/2007 1:08:09 PM PST by RichardW
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To: bvw
I'm sorry. But eBay is not an auctioneer.

I know this because I went through all this legalese also.

I own an auction site and I learned the difference between a market platform vs. an auctioneer.

The auctions are run by the seller. eBay hosts them.
151 posted on 01/28/2007 1:10:15 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

I do not know, nor I expect would you, what exact process eBay uses to implement the bidding agency they provide. Maybe it is scripting, maybe it is a program, maybe it is a whole cohort of pacific rim minimum wage earners at consoles typing away. It doesn't make a difference. The actual bidding is out of my hands and in the hands of my agent -- Ebay.


152 posted on 01/28/2007 1:11:08 PM PST by bvw
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To: COUNTrecount

I can't help myself from adding more. Beware the fuzzy photos and "stock" photos. Any reputable seller should be able to take clearly visible photos that show all the detail that would be necessary to make an informed decision. If the photo is of poor resolution there is a good reason for it. They don't want you to see what you are bidding on. Again, they are just shooting themselves in the foot. If I can't see what I'm buying, or if it is a stock photo, forget it. It isn't worth the risk. I recently purchased a vintage Sunbeam mixer, although I didn't really need it. The photos were of such exquisite quality that I couldn't live without it. I got it although it wasn't cheap but it sits proudly in my kitchen where I can admire it. My wife thought I was a little weird but when I make up my mind I want something I usually get it. But the photos made all the difference in the world.


153 posted on 01/28/2007 1:13:19 PM PST by RichardW
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To: Calpernia

Those cute very modern legalism distinctions between an "auctioneer" and a "market platform" will not hold if those providing the "market platforms" do not take an abundance of caution to ensure they are not biasing the platform towards promoting fraud.


154 posted on 01/28/2007 1:14:17 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

No, it isn't eBay. They give you scripting that you implement when you set your bidding. You script it when you add your fields and execute it by confirming bid. You are launching a macro.

You are still in control with the option of withdrawing a bid.

A bid on an auction board is an electronic signature. You are signing a contract. You are acting on your behalf.


155 posted on 01/28/2007 1:24:43 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: bvw

Now that distinction is not known to me. I've not been down that road yet.


156 posted on 01/28/2007 1:26:16 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

I remember some legislative discussion in at least one state as to this issue maybe two years ago. If you haven't already take that "Rich Dad" author's advice advice and paper over your business -- that auction "market platform" with a corporate entity so if the law turns out to be different then modern impressions all your all isn't at risk.


157 posted on 01/28/2007 1:45:48 PM PST by bvw
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To: Calpernia

There's no law that compels one to complete a contracted transaction once fraud is discovered to have been part of it. In fact, prudence and respect for keeping a healthy market both dictate the opposite -- that the transaction be nullified.


158 posted on 01/28/2007 1:51:13 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

Fraud nullifies contracts. No one is disputing that. And there are procedures on eBay for cancelling a transaction.


159 posted on 01/28/2007 1:54:25 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Fresh Wind

I sort of wondered if the piece wasn't already broken when it was mailed. Thje seller was so defensive and even down right offensive. It was wrapped once in thin bubble wrap and in a very narrow box. There wasn't anything to cushion it.

Kindest person I have dealt with was an elderly gentleman who I purchased a GwtW lamp from, when he was geting it ready to ship, he knocked it off the table and it broke. He was so sorry and sent repeated aplogies. He also refunded my money right away.


160 posted on 01/28/2007 2:56:03 PM PST by kalee (No burka for me....EVER!)
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