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Coping with a child's tantrum on a plane (3 Year Old's Temper Delays Plane)
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Posted on 01/28/2007 1:31:45 PM PST by Mr. Brightside

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1 posted on 01/28/2007 1:31:48 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside

If the kid's used to being belted in in the family car (SUV), then riding the plane is likely no problem.


2 posted on 01/28/2007 1:34:37 PM PST by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: Paladin2

If the kid's used to being belted in in the family car (SUV), then riding the plane is likely no problem.
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There you go assuming... ;-)


3 posted on 01/28/2007 1:37:59 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Mr. Brightside
Smart child, I would scream and fight if somebody wanted to force me to leave Florida and go to the commie wealth.:)
4 posted on 01/28/2007 1:39:08 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: Mr. Brightside
Air Tran reimbursed the family the cost of their tickets and offered them three roundtrip tickets anywhere the airline flies as compensation.

Sweet! I'm going to teach my kid how to throw temper tantrums.

5 posted on 01/28/2007 1:45:15 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

""A lot of this comes down to parenting," Perry said. At the end of the day, "I know I can get my daughter buckled in that seat.""

Parenting??? How dare he say that!!!


6 posted on 01/28/2007 1:48:54 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Mr. Brightside

If I were an Air Marshal, I wouild have tazered the parents.


7 posted on 01/28/2007 1:49:01 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ("BOAT PEOPLE" - The result of the last time the Democrats stabbed our allies in the back.)
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To: Mr. Brightside
My 27 week pregnant wife and 3 yo daughter are in the air right now. Flying back from seeing her parents. Ana loves to fly and behaved herself very well the time or two before this. We bring snacks and either a laptop or a portable DVD player with headphones to keep her distracted. I'll know in about an hour and a half how todays trip went.

It's worked so far.

As for parents letting their kids run amok, we are trying to install a LOT more discipline in our kids than they apparently believe in. Yes, I know this child had ear problems, but the parents should have planned for that and given the child something to help her deal with it.

Expecting the airlines to just rework their entire schedule is just ridiculous. Filing a lawsuit after the airlines had already tried to make a "peace offering" when they didn't really need to is just idiotic. Yet more reason to have a "loser pays" system for civil cases.

8 posted on 01/28/2007 1:49:53 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Looks like the parents were rewarded for having a spoiled child.


9 posted on 01/28/2007 1:50:04 PM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Pathetic parents.


10 posted on 01/28/2007 1:51:50 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Mr. Brightside
See also:
Girl Kicked Off Plane After Tantrum
  Posted by don'tspeak4me
On News/Activism 01/23/2007 7:35:25 PM PST · 165 replies · 3,045+ views


Associated Press ^ | Jan 23, 2007 | JimEllis
 

Toddler's temper ousts family from plane
  Posted by presidio9
On News/Activism 01/23/2007 10:25:48 AM PST · 187 replies · 3,062+ views


Associated Press via Yahoo News ^ | January 23, 2007 | Jim Ellis


Crying Child and Her Parents Removed From Flight
  Posted by Fawn
On News/Activism 01/23/2007 10:26:18 AM PST · 185 replies · 3,303+ views


ABC NEWS ^ | January 23, 2007 | ABC News


3-year-old unnerves airline [Girl taken off flight for crying too much]
  Posted by MotleyGirl70
On General/Chat 01/22/2007 10:51:57 AM PST · 179 replies · 3,251+ views


Telegram.com ^ | 01/21/07 | Dianne Williamson

11 posted on 01/28/2007 1:59:14 PM PST by RonDog
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To: cripplecreek

A two word suggestion that sometimes works wonders: Spock pinch.


12 posted on 01/28/2007 2:02:33 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: RonDog
After reading through most of the threads on this incident, I think what made this worse than any other crying-child-on-a-plane was the fact the family could not get 3 seats together so the mother and father sat together and put the kid in a row by herself!!!

I mean, WTF?? Why couldn't the father take the lone seat and the kid sit next to mom? How hard was that?

13 posted on 01/28/2007 2:03:59 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: Mr. Brightside
Here are four tips for getting children to behave on airplanes.

1. Discipline your children
2. Train your children.
3. Teach your children.
4. Be a mentor and an example for your children to follow.

If you can't remember all 4, just remember #1 (Actually, 2-3 DEFINE #1.)

Russ

14 posted on 01/28/2007 2:06:49 PM PST by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

An article I read when the story broke suggested that the parents were sitting together and the child was in a row in front of them. To me this is just asking for trouble.


15 posted on 01/28/2007 2:07:43 PM PST by PhilSC
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To: Mr. Brightside; patton
If ever there were a place where you need to make sure your children were behaving, this is the place.

says it all!

call us odd, but kids learn how to behave from their parents and by actually using those skills in...gasp! public! yep, from a very early age we've always taken our kids out. granted, they're not perfect, but what kid is? i know of many people who frimly refuse to go out with their kids. how the heck are they supposed to learn how to behave in public if they're never out?

i flew with our 5 yr old from d.c. to n.m. last may. we had a great trip, even the 3 or so hr leg from d.c. to dallas. i took gummy bears for her to chew and a bag of goodies like her cd player, coloring stuff and games. she was awesome :)
16 posted on 01/28/2007 2:09:00 PM PST by leda (The quiet girl on the stairs.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The parents are suing for their embarrassment and humiliation. I don't know, but I'm guessing the airway's apology and their free tickets will be taken as an admission of wrong doing, and the parents will win this case.

Incidentally, some people who were present in the terminal before the family boarded say the girl was acting wild and out of control in the waiting area too. And the child's behavior on GMA also makes it hard to believe she's "usually well behaved", as the parents claim.

17 posted on 01/28/2007 2:09:56 PM PST by Verloona Ti
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To: leda

Still, the Munich leg is going to suck. I am going to need the patch. ;)


18 posted on 01/28/2007 2:12:34 PM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Alouette
I mean, WTF?? Why couldn't the father take the lone seat and the kid sit next to mom? How hard was that?

You've got to be frigging kidding me! Shame on the parents for not taking that SIMPLE step! And shame on the lone guy in their row that wouldn't offer to change places with the kid.

What a bunch of morons.

19 posted on 01/28/2007 2:12:40 PM PST by Egon ("If all your friends were named Cliff, would you jump off them??" - Hugh Neutron)
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To: Verloona Ti
The parents are suing for their embarrassment and humiliation. I don't know, but I'm guessing the airway's apology and their free tickets will be taken as an admission of wrong doing, and the parents will win this case.

The airline ought to start a class-action counter-suit with a bunch of the passengers on the plane for their inconvenience.

20 posted on 01/28/2007 2:14:20 PM PST by Egon ("If all your friends were named Cliff, would you jump off them??" - Hugh Neutron)
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To: RonDog

"Her parents said she needed just a little more time to calm down."

Typical limp-wristed Boston liberal parents, with their can't-get-it-done-normally spoiled IVF baby, are shocked that the world doesn't get revolve around their baby's tantrums and bowel movements.

Look, when you close the doors, the FAs have very little time to get everyone strapped in. Everyone must be strapped in or you can't push back from the gate. If you don't push on time -- yes, even a few minutes -- you fall further and further back in the queue.

This is bad for several reasons, one of them is that dispatch has secured your IFR clearance and that clearance has a valid time and a void time. If you're not airborne by the void time, then the clearance flushes from the computer and has to be resubmitted, adding to your delays.

Passengers on airliners have very, very few responsibilities. Basically, they are to sit down, buckle up, secure your minor children, and follow the instructions of the flight and cabin crew, whose concern is the safety of all souls on board.

If you can't handle these very simple tasks because parenting is beyond you, maybe you ought to stay home. Better yet, maybe you ought to consider giving the kid up for adoption.

No doubt we'll hear about this kid in twenty years, running over some peasant with her Range Rover on her way to her I-hate-America protest march.

Some people are a complete waste of sperm and egg.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


21 posted on 01/28/2007 2:14:43 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F (Kitchener faced a 'Mahdi Army' too... how'd that work out?)
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To: Dead Corpse

"Yet more reason to have a "loser pays" system for civil cases."

Oh I how I wish we would implement this and concentrate on real issues!


22 posted on 01/28/2007 2:15:41 PM PST by toldyou
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To: ClearCase_guy

That's what I told my husband. I can see some knuckleheads trying to get free tickets by having their brat act up. The plane needed to take off. I have no sympathy for these people. Anyone who's been on an overseas flight with a screaming brat knows.


23 posted on 01/28/2007 2:16:03 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: patton

yeah, they don't pay the flight attendants
enough hazzard pay for the likes of you. ;)

a jug of antihistamines, perhaps? :D


24 posted on 01/28/2007 2:16:49 PM PST by leda (The quiet girl on the stairs.)
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To: Verloona Ti

The girl was hitting her mother. Why should 60 other people (or however many were on the plane) miss their connecting flights or be late to meetings and so on because one uncontrollable kid. If the flight took off without the kid belted in and something happened to the kid, you know they would've sued. Here's a clear case where the airline was damned either way.

These young parents nowadays think their kids are little gods.


25 posted on 01/28/2007 2:17:53 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Dead Corpse
Yet more reason to have a "loser pays" system for civil cases.

Well... we sort of have one now. Only problem is, the wrong people keep losing these frivolous lawsuits.

26 posted on 01/28/2007 2:18:14 PM PST by Egon ("If all your friends were named Cliff, would you jump off them??" - Hugh Neutron)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

Right on.


27 posted on 01/28/2007 2:18:32 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Alouette

I didn't read much about this incident, but, if those parents put the child by herself, I CAN understand why she would have a fit sitting next to a stranger. Why in the world didn't one of the parents move to the lone seat? Yeah, like I would let me 3 yr. old sit next to a stanger.


28 posted on 01/28/2007 2:18:46 PM PST by panthermom
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To: Mr. Brightside
This is stupid

These people lack basic parenting skills.

A three year old is old enough to understand commands and to follow instruction

This problem started way before they tried to buckle her in the seat that day

parents are probably up and coming socialist

29 posted on 01/28/2007 2:24:06 PM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: Mr. Brightside

There's no end to the uses of duct tape. :-)


30 posted on 01/28/2007 2:26:04 PM PST by vietvet67
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To: Criminal Number 18F; leda

Leda says you pegged it.


31 posted on 01/28/2007 2:26:30 PM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

There's no doubt who was in control here. The child. That happened a long time before pushback time for this flight.


32 posted on 01/28/2007 2:26:30 PM PST by Gritty (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: vietvet67

And how about some Velcro britches?


33 posted on 01/28/2007 2:28:15 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside

About two good swats across the back of the legs usually works.


34 posted on 01/28/2007 2:28:54 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (Peace through strength.)
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...the family could not get 3 seats together so the mother and father sat together and put the kid in a row by herself!!!

I hadn't heard that. I now have zero sympathy for these idiot parents. They brought it on themselves.

35 posted on 01/28/2007 2:29:28 PM PST by GATOR NAVY (Naming CVNs after congressmen and mediocre presidents burns my butt)
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To: Mr. Brightside

lol.....even better :-)


36 posted on 01/28/2007 2:30:36 PM PST by vietvet67
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

So the child behaved on their flight down to Florida, but chose to have a tantrum on the trip home to Mass. Sounds like a child who tells her parents just what she wants to do, and they obviously let her get her way. Glad they were forced off the plane but doubt they learned anything as their attitude is to blame the airline!


37 posted on 01/28/2007 2:31:43 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: Mr. Brightside

Forget all the Psychobable krep above.

Teach the child to obey her parents. End of story.


38 posted on 01/28/2007 2:32:00 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: Doctor Raoul

... I would have given all three Benadryl... nighty-night.


39 posted on 01/28/2007 2:32:45 PM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: Alouette
I mean, WTF?? Why couldn't the father take the lone seat and the kid sit next to mom? How hard was that?

I wonder if the kid's seat was a middle seat.

The two adults take the aisle and window seat on the 2-seat side and stick the kid in the middle seat on the 3-seat side.

Both of these parents seem to be the kind that would not want to sit in a middle seat.

40 posted on 01/28/2007 2:34:32 PM PST by HIDEK6
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To: Mr. Brightside

It still amazes me that I can't smoke on a plane, but screaming kids and human virus factories are still allowed to spew germs all over everyone on the flight. Glad that I don't have to fly.


41 posted on 01/28/2007 2:35:17 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Mr. Brightside

Maybe she found out the Airtran is just Valujet with a new paint job.


42 posted on 01/28/2007 2:36:52 PM PST by stinkerpot65
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To: Alouette
After reading through most of the threads on this incident, I think what made this worse than any other crying-child-on-a-plane was the fact the family could not get 3 seats together so the mother and father sat together and put the kid in a row by herself!!!
Bingo!
They were not only INCOMPETENT parents, they were CLUELESS!
From:

Girl Kicked Off Plane After Tantrum
Associated Press ^ | Jan 23, 2007 | JimEllis

Posted on 01/23/2007 7:35:25 PM PST by don'tspeak4me

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- Flight attendants often deal with obnoxious passengers who won't listen to instructions by kicking them off the plane. But a Massachusetts couple think AirTran Airways went overboard by treating their crying 3-year-old daughter in much the same way.

Julie and Gerry Kulesza and daughter Elly were removed from the flight when the girl refused to take her seat before takeoff, airline officials said Tuesday. But her parents said they just needed a little more time to calm her down.

The Kuleszas planned to fly home to Boston on Jan. 14 from Fort Myers after a four-day visit with the girl's paternal grandparents. She was removed because "she was climbing under the seat and hitting the parents and wouldn't get in her seat" during boarding, AirTran spokeswoman Judy Graham-Weaver said.

AirTran officials say they were only following Federal Aviation Administration rules that children age 2 and above must have their own seat and be wearing a seatbelt upon takeoff.

"The flight was already delayed 15 minutes and in fairness to the other 112 passengers on the plane, the crew made an operational decision to remove the family," Graham-Weaver said.

But Julie Kulesza said: "We weren't giving an opportunity to hold her, console her or anything."

"Elly was sitting in front of our seat crying," she said in a phone interview...


43 posted on 01/28/2007 2:38:34 PM PST by RonDog
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To: Mr. Brightside; Aeronaut; Pukin Dog

Simple solution: in flight, the pilot is just as a captain on the high seas and can marry, arrest and/or SPANK passengers as needed.

These brattish temper tantrums are classic examples of children being in control...and they are actually terrified because of it. "Spare the rod and spoil the child."


44 posted on 01/28/2007 2:39:36 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: kinsman redeemer

WELL SAID!


45 posted on 01/28/2007 2:40:58 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

I travel regularly for my job and the increase in bratty kids is just amazing. I appreciate that parents enjoy air travel with children BUT I am getting very tired of having to put up with this nuisance.

I'd really love to see adult only flights where I can either nap or or work to my convenience with the annoyance of these little darlings. My children and grandchildren are well past the crying stage and I can say that I never inflicted others with that bad behaviour.

And excuse me, but these parents actually wanted to DELAY the flight to get the little brat under control!!!! Hello, some of us have connecting flights and other schedules to keep. But then that would be considering others.

If that was an adult... they would be off the plane in an instant... I fully support the airline in this matter and wish they would do it a lot more.


46 posted on 01/28/2007 2:50:55 PM PST by myrabach
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To: GATOR NAVY
Glad this is being brought up!!!
Who lets their three year old child sit separately the parents on an airline?
The parents were asking for trouble when they didn't make sure the seating assignments were child against the window, parent next to them!
Before anyone blames the airline in any way, everyone who flies knows you have to sit in your assigned seat,(if seats are assigned) during takeoff.
The parents should not have received an apology from the airline, they should have apologized to everyone on that flight, while hastily exiting!
47 posted on 01/28/2007 2:51:16 PM PST by sarasmom ( War is not the most vile of the evils humanity commits . There is always apathy...)
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To: patton

Thanks, both of ya. I will say to anyone reading this: meet the airline people half way and you will be amazed what they'll do for you. Remember that they're human too, they're not your serfs or slaves any more than you should be nobody to them. I am always astonished at the abuse and contumely heaped on line folks, especially gate agents.

Yes, the gate agent really DOESN'T know why your plane is late. If there is a mechanical problem, even the pilots and the mechanic might not know what it is yet. If they do, they migyht be to busy troubleshooting it to tell her (And then, they have to check the MEL to see if it's something that they can defer for maintenance later, or have to fix before flying). Many systems on a modern jet need to be working 100% to ensure a safe and comfortable flight. You can drive your car without the climate control working, but a jetliner goes where it's 60 below outside on every flight -- the heater better be online. Not to mention all those knobs and gages and screens they give us pilots to play with so we don't get bored.

Yes, your crew really does have to hang it up when they go outside of crew rest "even by a minute." It's the law (and it's the law because some bright spark figured out exhausted pilots are not safe. It may seem arbitrary but it's so YOU CAN BE SAFE).

Finally, I don't understand the issue with a separated family. I travel alone a lot, and traveling revenue or not I will ALWAYS volunteer to trade seats so that a family can sit together. I bet most of you would do the same. Maybe the family didn't think to ask (it doesn't sound like they're the sort of people anyone would want to sit near). If you see this situation and don't mind moving, speak up (some families say no cause they've had a belly full of togetherness by the time they're headed home from gran'ma's).

These days, most airliners are full; that's because the only thing that matters to travelers is the lowest fare, and margins are wafer-thin, so they jam the seats full. Get used to it (or get rich and fly charter, but you won't get the family from Boston to FL round trip for $200 a seat). It's incumbent on all to behave in the public space that is an airliner cabin. Unfortunately, we have a generation, the children of the self-absorbed boomers, who never learned deportment but instead grew up bursting with entitlement and overflowing with unmerited self-esteem.

In that context, absolutely no surprise that these Meathead Parents of the Year think they need to sue. The bigger a jerk you are, the more likely you have a lawyer on speed dial.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


48 posted on 01/28/2007 2:52:58 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F (Kitchener faced a 'Mahdi Army' too... how'd that work out?)
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See also, from blogher.org:
...You know, sometimes kids cry and scream. Sometimes you're the poor schmuck on the plane fielding death glares from everyone else because you simply cannot get your baby to stop crying.

But I finally figured out what bothers me most about this story: I believe the Kuleszas might not have been able to get their daughter to stop crying, but that shouldn't have anything to do with whether or not she was in her seat, per FAA regulations.

The Worcester Telegram piece includes this line, which is where I stopped feeling that the Kuleszas had been unfairly called out:

They got off the plane, while their luggage and car seat flew on to Boston.

They checked the car seat? If they'd brought it on the plane with them---which is the safest option for a toddler, anyway---they could've buckled Elly in and that would've been the end of it. Maybe she would've screamed, maybe the other passengers would've been annoyed, but they would've flown home as planned...


49 posted on 01/28/2007 2:56:36 PM PST by RonDog
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To: Mr. Brightside
Another case of SIPS (Self-Indulgent Parent Syndrome). Today we breakfasted at a very popular Sunday brunch locale. Right beside us was a family with two small children. Parents and children each picked up a fully loaded plate of food. Little Boy had clearly taken more than he could eat, but plugged steadily away at his food until he had gotten about three-fourths through. Little Girl just picked at her meal. I think she ate a total of one roast beef protein molecule and one pancake syrup ion, despite her parents' repeated entreaties to eat just a little more for Mommy please. That moppet is obviously destined for membership in Future Anorexics of America.

Finally the family got p and left. Yep: Mommy and Daddy's plates were still half full too.

50 posted on 01/28/2007 2:58:25 PM PST by BlazingArizona (co)
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