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Wounded Iraq Vet Threatened, Spat on by 'Antiwar' Protesters (D.C. Chapter Report on 1/27/07)
Sunday, January 28, 2007 | Kristinn

Posted on 01/28/2007 5:37:22 PM PST by kristinn

I'm angry. I'm angry at the 'antiwar' protesters who heaped abuse on our troops. And I'm angry at the people who couldn't be bothered to stand up for our troops yesterday.

Tens of thousands of anti-American leftists and their dupes marched on our nation's capital calling for America's defeat in the war on terror in Iraq.

Only about forty people could be bothered to turn out in support of America's victory in Iraq. Among those forty was a civilian POW held by the North Vietnamese communists and several Iraq war veterans--including wounded warriors who left the hospital to stand up for their brothers in arms on the home front.

Why did former POW Mike Benge and Iraq vet Joshua Sparling only find a few dozen people willing to stand with them? Why, as the anti-American left is heading toward repeating their victory in Vietnam, are so many people sitting on their asses and doing nothing to stop them?

Why, when Joshua Sparling was spat on, cursed at and threatened by 'peace marchers', were there so few people there to defend his honor?

Why was Jane Fonda allowed to desecrate the Navy Memorial and only face token opposition?

Why did Mike Benge see thousands more people showing up to cheer Jane Fonda than there were to denounce her?

Those who were there to support these patriots will be posting their observations and photos on this thread. I've said my piece.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; US: District of Columbia; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 82ndairborne; answer; antiwar; army; iraq; iraqifreedom; janefonda; joshuasparling; ratcrime; sparling; suspiciouspackage; usarmy; vetabuse; wcw; worldcantwait
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To: Doctor Raoul

Doc,I can help,just let me know.


401 posted on 01/29/2007 12:19:32 PM PST by fatima
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To: AmeriBrit

Certainly no need to apologize. I think our beef is with people who really could go, but couldn't be bothered.


402 posted on 01/29/2007 12:51:19 PM PST by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: Doctor Raoul; abner
Don't forget the US Flag Balloon (abner and victim of circumstance). That was a major chunk of change for them to take that many hours off the envelope's life and pay for the propoane and crew expenses.

Yep .. I remember .. it was pretty windy that day too


403 posted on 01/29/2007 12:51:44 PM PST by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: WashingtonSource
"Why not a 'I Support the War on Terror' rally? "

- Go for it.
We saw what happened in Vietnam when the Dems betrayed the Vietnamese government and left them alone to twist in the wind, eventually resulting in millions of deaths there and in Cambodia. It's going to happen all over again on a larger scale, which this time will have domestic terrorist implications if we sit by passively and let Jane Fonda and her celebrity friends dictate foreign policy.
404 posted on 01/29/2007 12:53:09 PM PST by finnigan2
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To: Mo1

Hannity just mentioned Josh and what happen to him

Said that Josh will be on later


405 posted on 01/29/2007 12:57:00 PM PST by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Doctor Raoul

grrr .. ment to ping you to 405

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1775257/posts?page=405#405


406 posted on 01/29/2007 12:58:44 PM PST by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: kristinn

Now I'm really pissed.

Semper Fi'
Jarhead


407 posted on 01/29/2007 12:58:48 PM PST by Buffettfan (VIVA LA MIGRA! - LONG LIVE THE MINUTEMEN!)
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To: Mo1

You're right, it was windy. Those bikers and their help saved the flag balloon.


408 posted on 01/29/2007 1:02:37 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ("BOAT PEOPLE" - The result of the last time the Democrats stabbed our allies in the back.)
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To: fatima
Doc,I can help,just let me know.

We're making a list and you're on it. Will be in touch.

409 posted on 01/29/2007 1:03:43 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ("BOAT PEOPLE" - The result of the last time the Democrats stabbed our allies in the back.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

Thank you.


410 posted on 01/29/2007 1:11:41 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Safe sex? Not until they develop a condom for the heart."--Freeper All the Best)
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To: Earthdweller
Yeah it's even worse than $50, it's free to students or low income sometimes.

I've seen people donate the cost of a bus seat as a "scholarship"...

411 posted on 01/29/2007 1:23:51 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ("BOAT PEOPLE" - The result of the last time the Democrats stabbed our allies in the back.)
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To: trooprally

It's tough when they get money to bus in their protestors. At least we can honorably say...we fund ourselves.

I've been downtown to see those idiots spout their hatred of the President, the war, SUV's...you name it. Their language is usually foul so it's not good to have kids around.

As I said Saturday morning...I attended the 'family friendly' FReep in Olney.


412 posted on 01/29/2007 1:29:11 PM PST by Apple Blossom (...around here, city hall is something of a between meals snack.)
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To: SherrieG
I would be very surprised if indeed this happened. Most of these people were core peace activists from their home areas and too sophisticated to blame servicemen for the war.

It happened. One guy connected. I saw some anachist, lesbian freaky chick take repeated mouthfulls of water and spit in the wounded warriors direction. Had the distance been less she would have been happy to spit on them as she was full of hate, not sophistication.

They were so sophisticated that the changed "You go fight" at those who OBVIOUSLY were military from their bearing, physical shape and haircuts. Not to mention the PT shirt that say ARMY in 10 inch high letters. These people were on Hate America Autopilot.

413 posted on 01/29/2007 1:30:04 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ("BOAT PEOPLE" - The result of the last time the Democrats stabbed our allies in the back.)
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To: SherrieG
With all due respect to the thread author, I would want to see verification.

Read the New York Times. For once they got at least part of it right.

I watched one of the two cases where the "peace" protesters told Josh they were going to return with a gun and shoot him.

414 posted on 01/29/2007 1:31:50 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ("BOAT PEOPLE" - The result of the last time the Democrats stabbed our allies in the back.)
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To: dirtboy

No. I do not let the enemy choose the terms of the battle. Marches are Soooo 1960's.

They are the equivalent of bringing a knife to a gunfight. Or bringing a "march" to an internet fight. They are irrelevent.


415 posted on 01/29/2007 1:34:42 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: tgslTakoma

BTW, I saw little Matthew at the rally. He was so agitated it looked like he took a Tazer up the butt.


416 posted on 01/29/2007 1:36:17 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ("BOAT PEOPLE" - The result of the last time the Democrats stabbed our allies in the back.)
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To: YourAdHere
Did the same thing. The young lady liked it because it had MLK on it. I doubt MLK would back ANSWER.

And ANSWER never paid the King Foundation for using that photo.

417 posted on 01/29/2007 1:41:15 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ("BOAT PEOPLE" - The result of the last time the Democrats stabbed our allies in the back.)
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To: RobRoy
They are irrelevent (sic).

You win the quote of the day award.

These marches are for foreign consumption. The RATs also point to the marches and say "see the American people are against the War on Terror."

418 posted on 01/29/2007 1:41:56 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Jane Fonda was type cast in the movie "Klute")
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To: Mr. Silverback
For some reason our very presence seemed to enrage them.

Funny you should mention that. The WTOP reporter made a point to say that the counter protest made the peace marchers mad and that some in their ranks went too far. She then played a sound bite of one guy calling Josh names.

It is an observation I've seen many times, but Veronia Robinson is the first reporter that I've heard report it.

419 posted on 01/29/2007 1:45:16 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ("BOAT PEOPLE" - The result of the last time the Democrats stabbed our allies in the back.)
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To: kristinn

I woke this mornin and thought about it. I worked all day and thought about it. I drove home and thought about it...

My own frustrations with party, the left's front, the abundant unknowns in the world as far as facts from fiction, and the inability to do ANY thing about any of it has increased internally for me. When I first read your (Chuckle) on the other thread, it set me off. And then I seen this one, and I let it fuel me more.

I know you have personally done more for the front of Right vs left than most, and for this I apologize for my lashing out. I was wrong to go ballistic, because at the time, I thought you organized this rally, including inviting the troops who showed. This is why I said what I said. Emails last night, and upon my return from work today, convinced me this was not the case at all.

FWIW...

Tim


420 posted on 01/29/2007 1:48:33 PM PST by sit-rep ( http://trulineint.com/latestposts.asp)
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To: RobRoy

I have to disagree with you.

But i do think that we have to stop "counter protesting" the left. We should be proactive and initiating our own pro troops rallies. let the left have to counter us for once instead of dictating when we come out and show our support.

I think it would say alot more to our troops if we had our own pro troop rallys rather than simply show up to say we disagree with the anti war loons. it takes more effort and planning.


421 posted on 01/29/2007 1:51:13 PM PST by OMalley (Without love, deeds, even the most brilliant, count as nothing. St. Therese, "the little flower")
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To: flaglady47
Not everybody there was there for the "antiwar" rally. It's like the Amish, you help me build my barn, I help you build yours. There was even an illegal alien group chanting slogans for their cause.

UFPJ likes to keep that under wraps, but it slips out sometimes. They'll ever try and mute the tremedous anti-semetism in the left.

ANSWER on the other hand sells their events as an antiwar rally, but once you're there they peak about every other commie cause from the stage. It's gotten so bag with ANSWER that the lefties themselves advise don't go to the rally, just march in the protest.

422 posted on 01/29/2007 1:52:54 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ("BOAT PEOPLE" - The result of the last time the Democrats stabbed our allies in the back.)
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To: dirtboy
Hey dirtboy, we can all agree on this bullsh*t! Here we go again, Hanoi Jane, the marches the whole ball of wax. I personally got spat on while visiting my future wife while in uniform on campus in 1969, some things never change!

I freeped the white house with Dougfromupland and went to the freeper ball to! Where you at the first one, I was there with my then Marine son?
423 posted on 01/29/2007 1:53:15 PM PST by JimFreedom (let's not let good be the enemy of perfect to our detriment. - Cable225)
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To: popdonnelly
Yes it is, especially form those folks can you say AIDS or something similar, I knew you could!
424 posted on 01/29/2007 1:54:28 PM PST by JimFreedom (let's not let good be the enemy of perfect to our detriment. - Cable225)
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To: sit-rep
Has the Vietnam days taught us NOTHING!!??

It taught me that I should have stuck up for those vets back then. They got a raw deal they did not earn nor deserve. And if I have anything to do with it, history won't repeat itself no matter how hard the hippie freaks try.

425 posted on 01/29/2007 1:56:40 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ("BOAT PEOPLE" - The result of the last time the Democrats stabbed our allies in the back.)
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To: razzle

Didn't get the honor of meeting you. Will see you next time.


426 posted on 01/29/2007 1:59:16 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ("BOAT PEOPLE" - The result of the last time the Democrats stabbed our allies in the back.)
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To: JimFreedom

I wasn't at either Freeper ball. I did the White House protests back in 1999.


427 posted on 01/29/2007 2:00:05 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08 - rationalization not required, he IS a conservative already)
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To: Spiff
Great job Spiff. Please let the others know I said so.

Those 1.5 hour drives seem a lot shorter when you have company and people should make every effort to carpool some of these because it's better with company.

428 posted on 01/29/2007 2:03:37 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ("BOAT PEOPLE" - The result of the last time the Democrats stabbed our allies in the back.)
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To: OMalley
I tend to agree with you but I am worried you could not get the kind of turnout desired as most folks who would agree with the troops are working, etc. We would not want to bus them in in an artificial show of support like the other side does.

I think dougfromuplands dedication is amazing.
429 posted on 01/29/2007 2:11:24 PM PST by JimFreedom (let's not let good be the enemy of perfect to our detriment. - Cable225)
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To: Doctor Raoul; \/\/ayne
Great job Spiff. Please let the others know I said so.

Well, before I take any credit, I need to mention that I was talking about an event we did late last year. FReeper \/\/ayne did far more organizing than I did. But I sure was hell on wheels at the event. But you know me. I learned from the best. ;)

430 posted on 01/29/2007 2:15:53 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: JimFreedom

Depends on what we set up, for example post # 347 (i think) would get hundreds of thousands of ppl (and thats just the bikers)!

my husband goes each year and said he believes such a "ride" would get 90% or more turn out of the folks already there.

not to mention thousands more that would show up simply to show support for our troops in cars etc. maybe a ralley would be too much to plan for, but a ride would be fairly simple i would imagine.

we just need to think outside the box. go where the ppl already are, or plan something far enough in advance that ppl can take time off work.

hundreds of thousands showed up for the prolife march, took time of work and traveled far and wide to be there. why cant we do the same for out troops?


431 posted on 01/29/2007 2:17:20 PM PST by OMalley (Without love, deeds, even the most brilliant, count as nothing. St. Therese, "the little flower")
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To: Mo1; Doctor Raoul

Thanks..

Yea, it was REALLY windy. In circumstances like that we normally would keep it in the bag.


432 posted on 01/29/2007 2:22:38 PM PST by abner (I have no tagline, therefore no identity.)
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To: JimFreedom
"We would not want to bus them in in an artificial show of support like the other side does."

Exactly. This is what we have done all along. Nothing but real support at our largest rallies....but

if we really want to match the turn out of the leftists we may have to rethink that. They play dirty, but all the MSM sees is numbers.

433 posted on 01/29/2007 2:25:02 PM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Earthdweller

DEMOCRATIC TOWN CHAIRPERSONS

Salisbury

Albert P. Ginouves
22 Meadow St., Lakeville 06039-1106


******

Henry Lowendorf
Associate Director of Cooperative Research, Yale University

peace activist named Henry Lowendorf


Lamont's campaign manager Tom Swan said he suspected that the person behind the effort to strip Lieberman of his registration as a Democrat was a peace activist named Henry Lowendorf.

This morning, Lowendorf confirmed in a phone interview that he is indeed leading the charge to kick Lieberman out of the party



434 posted on 01/29/2007 2:28:23 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Earthdweller
Max Wenthworth, Treasurer
Thorton for Governor

Three Rivers Community College
Dept. of Mathematics
Adjunct Faculty

Max Wentworth

435 posted on 01/29/2007 2:33:22 PM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Great job!! I have a longer list of names if you are interested.


436 posted on 01/29/2007 2:39:21 PM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: JimFreedom

"We would not want to bus them in in an artificial show of support like the other side does"

ACK i didnt mean bus folks in, as in to get more bodies, but as an alternative means of transpo.

I dont like to drive much except around town and some might not want to put large amounts of mileage on thier car. i was thinking of it more in lines of a very LARGE carpool;)


437 posted on 01/29/2007 2:39:56 PM PST by OMalley (Without love, deeds, even the most brilliant, count as nothing. St. Therese, "the little flower")
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To: kristinn

will do my best to help out on the next one. I cant sit by anymore, I've totally had it with the anti American groups. I'll keep an eye oout for the next DC event.


438 posted on 01/29/2007 2:41:55 PM PST by Heavy Fuel
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To: Earthdweller

Sally Milbury-Steen
Executive Director of Pacem In Terris

spoke at the African Union Church in Wilmington, DE

Politics & political money dictates what you get in Wilmington says Sally Milbury Steen.


439 posted on 01/29/2007 2:45:22 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

Doh!


440 posted on 01/29/2007 2:48:53 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: Spiff; \/\/ayne

\/\/ayne's great too. I wait to read his AAR's from Tucson.


441 posted on 01/29/2007 2:52:43 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ("BOAT PEOPLE" - The result of the last time the Democrats stabbed our allies in the back.)
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To: OMalley

Your position here most definitely more accurately articulates my position than my flippant post did. I think you are exactly right.


442 posted on 01/29/2007 2:54:32 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: OMalley; TNCMAXQ; Jen's Mom; WashingtonSource; StoneColdTaxHater; Lakeshark; razzle; Thunder90; ...

To:OMalley;TNCMAXQ;Jen's Mother;Lakeshark:Washington source:StoneColdTaxHater;LakeShark;razzle;thunder90;fatima;kimmie7;Mr. Silverback;windchime

I am pinging folks (besides Kristinn, tgsltakoma and the usual DC stalwarts) who have expressed interest on this thread in organizing a Support-the-troops rally. Please contact Doctor Raoul via freepmail if you're serious. Even if you're not in the DC area maybe you all can exchange ideas. Maybe schedule simultaneous rallies throughout the country. (As the AmericaSupportsYou.mil webside encourages about the annual FreedomWalk on Patriot's Day.)

For what it's worth, I'm not interested in combining anything with any of the bike rallies, whether in Sturgis, Daytona, Laconia (sp?) or wherever. Besides the logistics of housing and transportation for non-motorcyclists, I don't think those rallies are the best family-oriented venue available.


443 posted on 01/29/2007 2:58:39 PM PST by JoyjoyfromNJ (Psalm 121)
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To: Grizzled Bear

I'm in Montana too and I would lose it if I saw that happen! How dare they do such disgusting things under the guise of free speech. You can bet if that happened to one of their lazy stupid a---- they'd be whining to some lawyer and try to sue! Go Griz!


444 posted on 01/29/2007 3:03:53 PM PST by LYSandra
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To: Earthdweller

See how it's done. One person or org. rents a tour bus and sells the seats. They probably recruit on college campuses. I've been thinking about this. If we form a counter-rally in March, every one of us can help even if we can't go. Do you realize how fast a joke goes around the world via e-mail? Let kristinn or someone good with words make up a flier announcing the rally and shaming/encouraging/inviting/whatever people to get off their butts and show up, and then we start e-mailing it to our intire address file and ask them to pass it on. Some will, some won't, but it is a great way to advertise.


445 posted on 01/29/2007 3:06:41 PM PST by WVNan
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To: JimFreedom
We would not want to bus them in in an artificial show of support like the other side does.

Most of the buses are paid for by the riders. Most of the riders pay full fare as it were. Take the cost per seat and do the math and you'll get a number that I bet will be the cost of the bus rental.

There are some people that donate money towards a bus to either lower the cost, or pay for a seat for a volunteer. But that's not rampant.

Nor have a I seen meals or lodging provided free by the organizers. They post ride and lodging boards, but that's people networking. Before it became known that kristinn is a guy and not a girl, he had lots of request to take up the offer to sleep on the floor of his apartment back in 1998.

There would be nothing wrong with our side arranging buses. I forget the name of the guy who did it for the March For Justice in DC from Philly but it was a great thing he did. He made it convenient and cost effective to go. Nobody was bussed in. We need more people to do things like that.

There would be nothing wrong in us setting up bus transportation. Or car pools, or anything else that facilitates people's attendance.

446 posted on 01/29/2007 3:12:05 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ("BOAT PEOPLE" - The result of the last time the Democrats stabbed our allies in the back.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother
Excuse me? Did I ask your advice or opinion? I think you'd be surprised at finding I do a Hell of a lot more and know a lot more than you do in this regard.

Next time I want advice from a moron I'll go to a leftie rally and ask for it.

Kindly grow up.

447 posted on 01/29/2007 3:12:46 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: JoyjoyfromNJ

Thanks for the ping, if there is something worthwhile going on, please let me know.


448 posted on 01/29/2007 3:14:07 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: JoyjoyfromNJ

Thanks for inlcuding me in your ping:)

I respect your opinion regarding motorcycle rallys. I know its easy to only see the hype. with sturgis it really depends on what time of day wether its "family friendly" or not.

most of the wild folks and what not, dont come out until after dark. until then it is mostly couples and families having lunch, looking at bikes (like me). i love the sound of them, but scared to death to get on one, much to hubby's dismay.

i will give the housing though. perhaps its something local folks-wyo, southdakota and those already traveling to sturgis would be interested in doing.

i know alot of Freepers and vets ride out every year. support for our troops comes in all shapes and sizes. if we limit which conservatives we are willing to stand up for our troops with, we lose out.

anyways, thanks again!:)


449 posted on 01/29/2007 3:16:47 PM PST by OMalley (Without love, deeds, even the most brilliant, count as nothing. St. Therese, "the little flower")
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To: trooprally; Just A Nobody; GunsareOK; JoyjoyfromNJ; Doctor Raoul; cf_river_rat; SandyInSeattle; ...

Thanks to everyone who was able to make it. I'd rather have been there trying to make a difference than standing beside Karl's grave, and I think he'd say that was more productive, too. But sometimes duty calls, and we must do what is appointed.


450 posted on 01/29/2007 3:17:13 PM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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