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US Urges Scientists to Block Out Sun
The Sydney Morning Herald ^ | January 29, 2007 | David Adam and Liz Minchin

Posted on 01/29/2007 11:16:38 AM PST by i_dont_chat

The US wants the world's scientists to develop technology to block sunlight as a last-ditch way to halt global warming.

It says research into techniques such as giant mirrors in space or reflective dust pumped into the atmosphere would be "important insurance" against rising emissions, and has lobbied for such a strategy to be recommended by a UN report on climate change, the first part of which is due out on Friday).

The US has also attempted to steer the UN report, prepared by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), away from conclusions that would support a new worldwide climate treaty based on binding targets to reduce emissions. It has demanded a draft of the report be changed to emphasise the benefits of voluntary agreements and to include criticisms of the Kyoto Protocol, which the US opposes.

The final report, written by experts from across the world, will underpin international negotiations to devise an emissions treaty to succeed Kyoto, the first phase of which expires in 2012. World governments were given a draft of the report last year and invited to comment.

The US response says the idea of interfering with sunlight should be included in the summary for policymakers, the prominent chapter at the front of each panel report. It says: "Modifying solar radiance may be an important strategy if mitigation of emissions fails. Doing the R&D to estimate the consequences of applying such a strategy is important insurance that should be taken out. This is a very important possibility that should be considered."

Scientists have previously estimated that reflecting less than 1 per cent of sunlight back into space could compensate for the warming generated by all greenhouse gases emitted since the industrial revolution. Possible techniques include putting a giant screen into orbit, thousands of tiny, shiny balloons, or microscopic sulfate droplets pumped into the high atmosphere to mimic the cooling effects of a volcanic eruption. The IPCC draft said such ideas were "speculative, uncosted and with potential unknown side-effects".

The US submission complains the draft report is "Kyoto-centric" and it wants to include the work of economists who have reported "the degree to which the Kyoto framework is found wanting".

It also complains that overall "the report tends to overstate or focus on the negative effects of climate change". It also wants more emphasis on responsibilities of the developing world.

But Professor Stephen Schneider, a climate consultant to the US government for more than 30 years and a key figure in the panel process for more than a decade, says the world is "playing Russian roulette" with its future by responding too slowly to climate change.

The panel's draft report shows projections for average global temperature rise from 1990 to 2100 will expand slightly, with a new range of one to 6.3 degrees. The 2001 report's range was 1.4 to 5.8 degrees.

Professor Schneider said he was concerned the increase was more likely to be three degrees or higher, with a 10 per cent chance of a six-degree rise by the end of the century.

"Hell, we buy fire insurance based on a 1 per cent chance," he said. "If we're going to be risk averse … we cannot dismiss the possibility of potentially catastrophic outliers and that includes Greenland and West Antarctica [ice sheets breaking up], massive species extinctions, intensified hurricanes and all those things. "There's at least a 10 per cent chance of that. And that to me for a society is too high a risk … My value judgement when you're talking about planetary life support systems is that 10 per cent, my God, that's Russian roulette with a Luger."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chemtrails; climatechange; geoengineering; globalwarming; sun
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1 posted on 01/29/2007 11:16:39 AM PST by i_dont_chat
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To: i_dont_chat

What if they turn th temperature down too low and we have global cooling? I think we need a restraining order put on the environuts.


2 posted on 01/29/2007 11:19:10 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: i_dont_chat
Upon first reading, I thought this was of Scrappleface origin.
3 posted on 01/29/2007 11:20:29 AM PST by theanonymouslurker (Say NO to RINOs)
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To: i_dont_chat

Oh this is great journalism. He writes the "US" but never quotes any agency. The one that looks crazy is the crazy aussie writer.


4 posted on 01/29/2007 11:20:34 AM PST by PATRICK HENRY USA
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To: i_dont_chat

God help us when the government has power to impact the climate.

We need a Constitutional amendment, and a global treaty, outlawing attempts by governments and global organizations to interfere with the climate.


5 posted on 01/29/2007 11:21:04 AM PST by Maceman (This is America. Why must we press "1" for English?)
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To: i_dont_chat

"The US wants the world's scientists to develop technology to block sunlight as a last-ditch way to halt global warming."

This would be a stupid thing to do... "It's not wise to fool mother nature."


6 posted on 01/29/2007 11:21:28 AM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: i_dont_chat
Anthropogenic climate change is blithering nonsense - but I guess it might be useful one day to be able to reduce the effect of a massive solar flare.
7 posted on 01/29/2007 11:22:15 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: theanonymouslurker
Upon first reading, I thought this was of Scrappleface origin.

So did I ...

8 posted on 01/29/2007 11:22:22 AM PST by clamper1797 (Per caritate viduaribus orphanibusque sed prime viduaribus)
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To: theanonymouslurker

>>>Upon first reading, I thought this was of Scrappleface origin.>>>

You mean it isn't? People actually want a big giant deflective mirror around the earth?


9 posted on 01/29/2007 11:23:20 AM PST by Southerngl
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To: babygene
"It's not wise to fool mother nature."


great quote. anyone know where it is from? i remember it from the butter commercial. loool
10 posted on 01/29/2007 11:24:58 AM PST by PATRICK HENRY USA
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To: PATRICK HENRY USA

Chiffon ?


11 posted on 01/29/2007 11:26:34 AM PST by clamper1797 (Per caritate viduaribus orphanibusque sed prime viduaribus)
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To: babygene
"The US wants the world's scientists to develop technology to block sunlight as a last-ditch way to halt global warming."

It's been done over and over.

It's called a "Volcano".

12 posted on 01/29/2007 11:26:43 AM PST by Gorzaloon (Global Warming: A New Kind Of Scientology for the Rest Of Us.)
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To: i_dont_chat
The heads of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change:
13 posted on 01/29/2007 11:33:06 AM PST by texas_mrs
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To: i_dont_chat

Smithers: Well, Sir, you've certainly vanquished all your enemies: the elementary school, the local tavern, the old age home...you must be very proud.

Burns: [stuffing money into his wallet] No, not while my greatest nemesis still provides our customers with free light, heat and energy. I call this enemy...the sun! Since the beginning of time man has yearned to destroy the sun. I will do the next best thing: block it out!


14 posted on 01/29/2007 11:34:15 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: i_dont_chat

I really like global warming. Tell the eggheads not to f$%k it up.


15 posted on 01/29/2007 11:36:08 AM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: i_dont_chat

I doubt this is possible, but heaven forbid if these idiots really could reverse the warming and trigger cooling. Another glacial period would not be good news for mankind.


16 posted on 01/29/2007 11:36:58 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: theanonymouslurker

Me too.


17 posted on 01/29/2007 11:37:12 AM PST by The Blitherer (I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. -Reagan)
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To: babygene
The Lathe of Heaven comes to mind, too.
18 posted on 01/29/2007 11:38:00 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Southerngl
A defective mirror? What's that? You look up into the sky and see Algor or Laurie David looking back?

Oh, deflective...

19 posted on 01/29/2007 11:38:23 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: i_dont_chat

20 posted on 01/29/2007 11:38:37 AM PST by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: i_dont_chat

21 posted on 01/29/2007 11:39:21 AM PST by AntiKev ("No damage. The world's still turning isn't it?" - Stereo Goes Stellar - Blow Me A Holloway)
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To: i_dont_chat

Can they acheive a geosynchronous orbit over Iran? N. Korea? Massachusetts?


22 posted on 01/29/2007 11:39:33 AM PST by dangus
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To: i_dont_chat
Block out the sun? Eeeexcellent.


23 posted on 01/29/2007 11:40:04 AM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: i_dont_chat

I had to stop reading!

They are working on how to induce global warming? We actually have the technology to induce an ice age? COOL!!! We are this close to actually be able to "play" God.

And we thought nuclear weapons in the hands of dictator tyrants was dangerous!!!????


24 posted on 01/29/2007 11:40:32 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (No to nitwit jesters with a predisposition of self importance and unqualified political opinions!)
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To: Calvin Locke

I was thinking about the Law of Unintended Consequences...


25 posted on 01/29/2007 11:41:08 AM PST by Thrusher ("There is no peace without victory.")
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To: AntiKev

26 posted on 01/29/2007 11:41:17 AM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: i_dont_chat

This reminds me of how I do risk assessment. There are three factors:

1. What is the likelyhood of a thing happening.
2. What is the impact of the thing happening.
3. What does it cost to ensure prevention.

Based on the answers to the above questions, I believe the proper course of action is to do nothing.


27 posted on 01/29/2007 11:41:18 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: i_dont_chat

Will they enact the Montgomery Burns solution from the Simpsons or the Captain Chaos solution from South Park?


28 posted on 01/29/2007 11:41:18 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: i_dont_chat
I propose shooting environmentalists into orbit, each with a roll of Renolds Wrap - they can open all 150' of the stuff and reflect substantial amounts of sunlight away from too warm earth.

Most of these foks are so technologically savy that they will buy this as a solution!

29 posted on 01/29/2007 11:41:22 AM PST by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: i_dont_chat
Look for new smoke-and-mirrors (literally!) taxpayer-funded 'research' grants.
30 posted on 01/29/2007 11:43:08 AM PST by GoldCountryRedneck ("Idiocy - Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large numbers" - despair.com)
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To: Loyal Buckeye
"What if they turn th temperature down too low and we have global cooling?"

They could always put a magnifying lens in place of the mirrored lens and scorch the earth. That might raise the temperature a bit (too much).

They all think they can do a better job than God (the original designer).

31 posted on 01/29/2007 11:44:21 AM PST by Waryone
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To: i_dont_chat

Where's Michael Moore?


32 posted on 01/29/2007 11:46:46 AM PST by BulletBobCo
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To: i_dont_chat
>US Urges Scientists to Block Out Sun

It must be Bill Gates.
He hates seeing Sun trading
near six and a half . . .


33 posted on 01/29/2007 11:47:35 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: clamper1797

Me too.


34 posted on 01/29/2007 11:47:45 AM PST by Ditto
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To: i_dont_chat

A giant pair of shades?


35 posted on 01/29/2007 11:52:30 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: i_dont_chat
I know - a huge umbrella!
36 posted on 01/29/2007 11:53:14 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: i_dont_chat
I know - a huge umbrella!
37 posted on 01/29/2007 11:53:14 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Waryone

I hope they do what I did, my wife keeps changing the thermostat so I put another one elsewhere hidden hooked up to the heater and left the old one as a dummy, otherwise the women on earth will keep complaining its eather too hot or too cold.


38 posted on 01/29/2007 11:57:56 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: i_dont_chat

We can just use some deep earth penetrator on all the active volcanoes... that should fix everything right up!


39 posted on 01/29/2007 12:06:15 PM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Thrusher

That's what the book/mini series was about. Getting what you asked for, but not what you wanted variation on the Law of Unintended Consequences.


40 posted on 01/29/2007 12:07:59 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: i_dont_chat
reflective dust pumped into the atmosphere

We could just trigger a couple of volcanic eruptions. That'd do it.

41 posted on 01/29/2007 12:11:14 PM PST by Argus
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To: Dr.Deth

Nice...it's funny because it's not only the same image, but from the same source. Go Google!


42 posted on 01/29/2007 12:20:56 PM PST by AntiKev ("No damage. The world's still turning isn't it?" - Stereo Goes Stellar - Blow Me A Holloway)
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To: i_dont_chat

Oh my god.


43 posted on 01/29/2007 12:22:06 PM PST by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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"Hell, we buy fire insurance based on a 1 per cent chance," he said.

A) I think this is what the Administration is saying, that, as insurance, we should pursue active technological means to control Earth's temperature.

B) But it's not a good comparison. We have a vast amount of past experience with fires. We have zero experience predicting Earth's future temperature at all, let alone fifty or a hundred years out.

44 posted on 01/29/2007 12:23:17 PM PST by edsheppa
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To: i_dont_chat

This will go nowhere. The Global Warming movement isn't about global termperatures, it's about destroying the American economy.


45 posted on 01/29/2007 12:23:54 PM PST by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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To: Loyal Buckeye
What if they turn th temperature down too low and we have global cooling?

One reason to prefer interdiction is space. It can work both ways. You can reflect solar radiation away from Earth or toward it.

46 posted on 01/29/2007 12:25:51 PM PST by edsheppa
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To: i_dont_chat

After some consideration, I came to the conclusion that such a project is more feasible than Kyoto....

:-P


47 posted on 01/29/2007 12:28:15 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (New Tagline Loading... Please Wait)
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To: edsheppa
"We have a vast amount of past experience with fires."

I know you're talking about house fires, but it reminds me of how we're still trying to figure out how to manage fires in our National Parks and wilderness areas. A mistake in that management leads to thousands of acres being burned in Yellowstone etc., but not that big of a deal compared to a mistake in 'global climate management".

I think any experiments should first be done on Mars to see if we can keep THOSE ice caps from continuing to melt and to determine what the problems/adverse outcomes will be before we test it on earth. ;)
48 posted on 01/29/2007 12:34:30 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: Loyal Buckeye

Heat = Energy... the warmer the planet, the more food will grow, the less fossil fuels will be needed for heating... etc etc etc.. A few degrees warmer is NOT A BAD THING!

And frankly, none of it has anything to do with Human activity anyway....


49 posted on 01/29/2007 12:38:54 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Eastbound

fyi


50 posted on 01/29/2007 12:40:31 PM PST by i_dont_chat (I have the right to offend. You can take offense or not.)
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