Posted on 01/29/2007 11:20:34 AM PST by jonascord
This year, Cynthia Corbett isn't focused on losing weight, working out, spending less or eating better.
She just wants to carry a gun.
"It's mostly whites. It's mostly males. It's mostly people with above average incomes and people who live in suburban areas. They're the ones who already have the guns. They're the ones who have the money,” said Hemenway, author of "Private Guns, Public Health.”
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Phil Ratliff, 66, of Norman has never gotten used to the idea of his fellow Oklahomans walking around armed.
"Every statistic shows that people who carry guns end up shooting someone else, usually not the person they were aiming for,” Ratliff said. "I just don't want us to get to a place where we're ... driving along the roadside in pickup trucks with guns. ... It scares me when I see some of the road rage just driving through Oklahoma City.”
At the very least, he said, only those whose lives are in certain danger should be allowed to carry guns.
"I'm a Southern Baptist minister,” he said. "I've been one for 45 years and am very conservative, according to the scriptures. But I guess the NRA (National Rifle Association) would probably call me a liberal.”
Sally Eastridge never has felt threatened — but she wants to be ready if she ever is in danger.
"I'm just a believer in having a gun to protect yourself,” said Eastridge, 30, of Oklahoma City. "I don't think I would be the type to carry it around with me everywhere I went. I'd probably keep it in the house or the car...
(Excerpt) Read more at newsok.com ...
NRA member and holder of Indiana's lifetime CCW permit!
Nothing like the business end of a pistol to thwart a carjacking!
Yup, it's those eevvviillllll white men that carry guns, hence guns are bbbbaaaaaaaddddddddd.
"Every statistic shows that people who carry guns end up shooting someone else, usually not the person they were aiming for,” Ratliff said.
This asshat is either a liar or just plain stupid. Maybe both?
"I just don't want us to get to a place where we're ... driving along the roadside in pickup trucks with guns.
Ah, it's not just eevvviillllll white men that carry guns, it's eevvviillllll white men in pickup trucks, for horror's sake! You know, rednecks and hicks. Bbbbaaaaaaaddddddddd guns! Bbbbaaaaaaaddddddddd I say!
It scares me when I see some of the road rage just driving through Oklahoma City."
Ah, here's the real issue: He's scared of guns. Typical fear-based anti-gunner, nothing more.
"I'm a Southern Baptist minister,” he said. "I've been one for 45 years and am very conservative, according to the scriptures. But I guess the NRA (National Rifle Association) would probably call me a liberal.”
Nah, try emotion drive moron whose thinking is based on fear, not facts. Oh, wait, that is a liberal...
Huh?
Every statistic shows this.
Every last study ever done anywhere about gun ownership posits this conclusion.
There has never been a firearm owner who never shot anyone.
Phil Ratliff said so.
There is an error in that article concerning the law and where you can or cannot carry. One of the people interviewed claimed that you could not carry in a restaurant where liquor/beer is served. I e-mailed the reporter this morning and included a citation from the concealed carry law to point out the error. I have not received a response at this time.
Specifically, you cannot carry where liquor/beer sales are the primary purpose of the business but obviously the primary purpose of a restaurant is food sales.
As to Ratliff, your comment is absolutely spot on -- his comment should lead to some interesting letter to the editor.
"Every statistic shows that people who carry guns end up shooting someone else, usually not the person they were aiming for,” Ratliff said.
Deliberate liar or misinformed fool - take your choice.
Hey Phil,
There are a lot of folks in this country that are afraid of Baptist Ministers too. What do you say to them?
Unless he's specifically talking about gangbangers, he's full of crap. DaveLoneRanger's ping list is the highest volume ping list I'm on. He posts several articles a day about people using firearms to thwart criminals.
Do you have a screen name and password to read the full story? I'd rather not register for spam at their site. The other option is to visit www.BugMeNot.com to see what they might have available to help.
~ Blue Jays ~
The Pew study characterizes those people as "Enterprisers" and formerly as "Staunch Conservatives"; they tend to be the whitest, most male, best informed, wealthiest households which are most likely to contain a veteran and a gun.
This year, Cynthia Corbett isn't focused on losing weight, working out, spending less or eating better.
She just wants to carry a gun.
"One of my new resolutions is to follow up on getting a conceal-carry permit,” said Corbett, 52, of Oklahoma City. "I've been thinking about it for years. I always thought it was kind of a good thing to do, kind of a responsible thing.”
So before long, she plans to take a Self-Defense Act class, fill out her paperwork and apply for state permission to carry a concealed firearm — joining thousands of other Oklahomans who already are licensed to pack heat.
As a white woman in her age range, she should fit right in. During the past five years, 54,705 conceal-carry permits have been issued, according to data released by the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation. Of those, 40,538 were issued to white men, while white women received 10,484 permits.
The remaining 3,683 were split mainly between Asian, black, Hispanic and American Indian people of both genders. A small number of people listed their race as "unknown.”
The racial makeup is not unexpected, said David Hemenway of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center.
Studies of other areas in the country have shown white people are far more likely to get permits than those of other races.
"It's mostly whites. It's mostly males. It's mostly people with above average incomes and people who live in suburban areas. They're the ones who already have the guns. They're the ones who have the money,” said Hemenway, author of "Private Guns, Public Health.”
In all, more than 113,000 conceal-carry permits have been issued in Oklahoma since the Self-Defense Act took effect in 1996, said Dave Page, director of information services for OSBI.
The agency doesn't keep statistics on permit renewals, so it's not known how many of those were issued to repeat customers.
William is one of those. The 52-year-old Moore man, who did not want his last name published in the paper, is on his second conceal-carry permit.
He said he carries his Kahr .45-caliber semi-automatic most of the time, leaving it at home only when he goes to work or to places where guns are prohibited, such as state buildings or restaurants that sell alcohol.
"It's second nature for me,” William said. "When I first started carrying it regular, I got uncomfortable not having it with me. You get used to it.”
Phil Ratliff, 66, of Norman has never gotten used to the idea of his fellow Oklahomans walking around armed.
"Every statistic shows that people who carry guns end up shooting someone else, usually not the person they were aiming for,” Ratliff said. "I just don't want us to get to a place where we're ... driving along the roadside in pickup trucks with guns. ... It scares me when I see some of the road rage just driving through Oklahoma City.”
At the very least, he said, only those whose lives are in certain danger should be allowed to carry guns.
"I'm a Southern Baptist minister,” he said. "I've been one for 45 years and am very conservative, according to the scriptures. But I guess the NRA (National Rifle Association) would probably call me a liberal.”
Sally Eastridge never has felt threatened — but she wants to be ready if she ever is in danger.
"I'm just a believer in having a gun to protect yourself,” said Eastridge, 30, of Oklahoma City. "I don't think I would be the type to carry it around with me everywhere I went. I'd probably keep it in the house or the car.
"I just think it's important that I have this permit to show I know how to use a gun and am qualified to use it.”
She already has attended an all-day class on gun safety and the Self-Defense Act, fulfilling one of the requirements for getting a permit.
Like Corbett, she wants to get licensed this year.
"The state of our world is becoming more and more disturbing,” Corbett said. "We have illegal aliens who are coming, and ... if someone is willing to steal citizenship, it makes you wonder how much more they'd be willing to take from you.”
Could she shoot someone if she had to?
"I think if it was them or me,” she said, "I could.”
It's not nice to make mock of the mentally handicapped. It's fun, tho...
Done
Done
"It's mostly whites. It's mostly males. It's mostly people with above average incomes and people who live in suburban areas.
Racial profiling......
"It scares me when I see some of the road rage just driving through Oklahoma City" --> Typical projectionist BS
Well I have a CPL and I carry a lighter, yep I can get annoyed at other drivers but I've never freaked out and pulled my piece, nor have I got out and lit anything on fire with my lighter..
i.e., gun-grabbers don't need either truth or intelligence, just an irrational fear of self-defense.
I've seen too many of these self-appointed "shepards" who have gotten the "Call" and have figured out that it's better than working...
Backyard RKBA ping...
Ummm. It's a tradition, isn't it?
Bull. Ratliff would happily use the government to do the violent dirty work, on his behalf, of stealing my property. There's nothing scriptural or conservative about that.
People with CCW permits are quite notably less likely to do so than the police. They are also less likely to shoot someone mistakenly.
Ratliff (How's that for a name?) can usually be found hiding underneath his podium, unable to face this dangerous, chaotic world.
You cannot get permission to carry a cold in the Nanny State (CA)
Out of curiousity, does it divide between bars and liquor stores?
so apparently both masculine and feminine. What is the distribution between the sexes of those races?
Thanks, Ogie. How you doin' these days?
My son is getting his CC in Nevada today. Second generation. Actually 4th, but my dad and grandad didn't actually get a permit. My grandson just turned 1 so I'll probably wait another year to start his training :-)
It's actually a true statistic -- WHEN you take into account that he's carefully saying "people who carry guns" instead of "people who LEGALLY carry guns", and is including in his statistics all the gang bangers who fire away wildly in drive-by shootings
Consider the various Leftists in your life. Notice how easy they generally are to get screamingly angry, just by contradicting some cherished belief? They are probably thinking about how they would react if they were armed and saw somebody make a pro-Bush statement
Or standing up to urinate.
"Every statistic shows that people who carry guns end up shooting someone else, usually not the person they were aiming for,” Ratliff said.
90% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Bars and liquor stores are treated the same because their primary purpose is the sale and/or consumption of alcohol. The key word, primary, is contained in the law. Contrast this with the typical casual dining restaurant (Chili's, Applebee's, TGI Fridays, etc.) where they are in business to sell food, primarily, and drinks are secondary to that business. However, in OK, the bar areas of these type of restaurants are off-limits for carrying because of the way the liquor laws are written. You can sit in the remainder of the restaurant and order food but you cannot do the same in the bar area which is usually defined with brass posts w/ropes and signs saying "No one under 21 in this area". Quite often this is just physically at the bar/bar stool area and not the seating in the general area of the bar.
Things have been better in PA, politically speaking. It's ugly here, and getting uglier by the day. Hopefully just three years until Pat can take on Arlen in Round II.
Personally, everything is great - thanks for asking. Stay well.
Ratliff is from Norman. In Oklahoma, that means OU. That also indicates that there is a greatly increased possibility of being an Leftist nancy-boy who has been educated beyond his intelligence. Fortunatly, it has been my experiance that an angry American Leftist with a gun couldn't hit a barn from the inside.
Just wondered. Some states write their laws based upon open/closed containers.
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