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Carter and Clinton's "New Covenant"--The latest assault on Southern Baptists
GrassTopsUSA.com | Frontpagemagazine ^ | January 30, 2007 | Don Feder

Posted on 01/30/2007 5:11:26 AM PST by SJackson

Carter and Clinton's "New Covenant"
By Don Feder
GrassTopsUSA.com | January 30, 2007

This column originally appeared on GrassTopsUSA.com.

Its rhetoric notwithstanding, the left loathes diversity.

Dissent drives it nuts. It’s forever scheming to eliminate, co-opt or undercut alternative institutions.

It controls three of the four major networks, but obsesses about Fox News. It has The New York Times and the rest of the dominant print media, but agonizes over talk-radio and conservative websites.

Even though the mainline Protestant churches are safely in its vest-pocket, it’s threatened by the success of conservative denominations.

Hence the latest assault on the Southern Baptists, led by ex-Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton – both raised in the denomination – under the guise of a "New Baptist Covenant."

Carter quit the Southern Baptists after their 2000 "Baptist Faith and Message," which repeated the instruction of that old misogynist St. Paul about wives submitting to their husbands. As president, Clinton attended a Methodist church with Hillary, when he wasn’t holding ecumenical services with Monica.

At a January 9th news conference at Atlanta’s Carter Center (next time you’re there, be sure to visit the Ayatollah Khomeini room), Carter and Clinton announced an alternative Baptist movement to counter the supposedly negative image of the Southern Baptist Convention.

With typical Carter-esque modesty, Little Jimmuh proclaimed it "a (sic.) historic event for the Baptists in this country and perhaps for Christianity." Clinton said their joint venture "is an attempt to bring people together to ask, ‘What would our Christian witness require of us in the 21st century?’"

Joining the ex-presidents were 40 leaders of liberal Baptist churches (yes, they have them too). Over the next year, they will cultivate this arid soil to bring forth a conference of 20,000 like-minded "Baptists" on January 30-February 1, 2008, dubbed a "Celebration of A New Baptist Covenant."

William D. Underwood, president of Atlanta’s Mercer University, and another organizer of the Covenant, explained: "We’re not against any other group of people of faith. We’re against the fact that 100,000 people died last month of malaria. We’re against the fact that hundreds of thousands of Africans face starvation each year."

Does that mean Southern Baptists favor malaria-carrying mosquitoes, and delight at the prospect of another famine in Africa -- including the 2,000-plus SBC churches which describe themselves as "African-American"?

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that Carter and Clinton want to "counter concerns that Baptists have been ‘negative’ and ‘exclusionary’ and promised an inclusive organization willing to debate openly on all issues."

When liberals starts tossing around words like "inclusive" and "open debate," reach for your hip-boots. When was the left ever interested in debating anything?

For the past three decades, the mainline churches have crushed internal dissent from liberal dogma. "To be a good Christian, you must embrace the worldview of the National Council of Churches," they told all and sundry.

Inclusive? Open debate? At the 1992 Democratic Nominating Convention, the Clinton Democrats wouldn’t allow pro-life Robert Casey Sr. (then the sitting governor of Pennsylvania) to address delegates. That’s how much the left wants to facilitate a dialogue and let every voice be heard.

Neither ex-president has ever indicated an interest in any voice that doesn’t echo his own. That aside, it’s hard to imagine less worthy mentors for a new religious movement.

As president, Clinton:

And then there’s our 39th president, the Sage at Plaines – or sap.

Since four years in the White House wasn’t enough time to ruin the Republic, he’s spent a quarter-century out of power undermining America’s national interests, fronting for communist and Islamacist regimes and uttering inanities that make the Reverend Al Sharpton sound like a serious political thinker.

Now, Carter and Clinton have trained their sights on the Southern Baptist Convention. Why? Because the SBC’s policies are true to Scripture. It opposes abortion, gay marriage, cultural degeneration, anti-family policies and government expansion in the name of compassion.

The New Baptist Whatever is designed to undercut the Southern Baptists. Once it’s up and running, henceforth and forevermore, whenever the media is looking for "Baptists" to endorse the left’s latest social lunacy, they will turn to the Carter/Clinton Baptists for the desired response.

There’s also the hope of capturing a greater share of religious voters (not the Democrats’ most reliable constituency), by convincing the more gullible among them that authentic Christianity is reflected in the pronouncements of Barack Obama.

It’s coincidental that the "Celebration of A New Baptist Covenant" conference will come approximately nine months before the next presidential election – an election in which Hillary just announced her candidacy. (New York’s junior senator has hired a consultant to advise her on reaching out to religious voters – surely, another coincidence.)

By the way, there’s nothing wrong with the image of Southern Baptists.

A Zogby International poll shows most adults have a favorable opinion of the SBC, on par with their views of Catholics and United Methodists. Carter may do photo-ops with Habitat for Humanity, but the Southern Baptists take the Biblical injunction to feed the poor seriously.

Last year, Southern Baptists distributed millions to combat world hunger, and served over 5 million meals in the United States alone. In response to Hurricane Katrina, they mobilized more than 1,000 volunteers and 100 mobile Disaster Relief units in the Gulf states – which beats the heck out of donating used underwear.

If that old-time religion has such a bad rep, why are evangelical and charismatic churches growing, while the old-line, liberal Protestant denominations continue their 30-year decline?

Between 1994 and 2005, the Southern Baptist Convention grew by 7% to 16.5 million members. The Assemblies of God, America’s largest Pentecostal church, grew by 20%. The Catholic Church and the Mormons grew by 13% and 24% respectively.

At the same time, the Episcopal Church, United Methodist Church, Presbyterian Church and Evangelical Lutheran Church in America – jointly, the Democratic Party at prayer -- have all lost members.

The only place conservative denominations have an image problem is in the tortured psyche of Jimmy Carter and other religious leftists.

In a November 15, 2006, interview with CNBC’s Tim Russert, Carter compared conservative Christians to al-Qaeda and the Saudis.

All are "fundamentalist," which is to say "authoritarian males who consider themselves to be superior to others," who believe "they are right and that anyone who contradicts them is ignorant and possibly evil" (so unlike the left, whose six-year refrain has been – Bush is evil; Bush is stupid), "who are often angry and sometimes resort to verbal and even physical abuse against those who interfere with the implementation of their agenda" (so unlike the campus left, whose modus operandi is shouting down and assaulting conservative speakers) and who "have an overwhelming commitment to subjugate women."

The latter deserves elaboration. In his book, Our Endangered Values (the one before his current masterpiece, comparing Zionists to Nazis), Carter repeats his favorite calumny of the Southern Baptists, that they "keep women in their place."

And this, the Sage at Plains informs us, tacitly supports the subjugation of women in the Muslim world: "Women are greatly abused in many countries in the world, and the alleviation of their plight is made less likely by the mandated subservience of women by Christian fundamentalists."

In other words, the Baptist belief in gender differences and opposition to abortion is comparable to female genital mutilation and chadors in Prophet-land.

And not just Southern Baptists get the treatment in Carter’s little gem of a book. Of the late Pope John Paul II, Carter squeaks, "I disagreed with him on the perpetuation of the subservience of woman."

There you have it – no women priests is morally equivalent to societies where women are stoned to death on suspicion of having sex outside marriage.

On the other hand, apparently Carter thinks the conduct of Clinton, his colleague in the New Baptist Covenant project– serial adultery over the course of decades, sexual harassment, fondling, groping and (in the case of Juanita Broddrick) credible allegations of rape – does not make it more difficult to address the abuse of women in many countries in the world.

The Carter/Clinton scam should be seen as part of the establishment’s on-going war on real Christianity -- their motto: If you can’t demonize them (a la Chris Hedges American Fascists) or marginalize them (as "fundamentalists"), co-opt or subvert them."

Ronald Reagan’s words to Carter, in the second presidential debate of 1980, come to mind here: "Well, there you go again



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: baptist; carter; covenant; ncc; religiousleft

1 posted on 01/30/2007 5:11:27 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

These guys know no standard of low, do they? The bottom always seems to get lower, yet, when they are involved!


2 posted on 01/30/2007 5:20:21 AM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: SJackson
William D. Underwood, president of Atlanta’s Mercer University, and another organizer of the Covenant, explained: "We’re not against any other group of people of faith. We’re against the fact that 100,000 people died last month of malaria. We’re against the fact that hundreds of thousands of Africans face starvation each year."

Bill Underwood is a former business litigation lawyer from Dallas that left his practice to teach at Baylor University. He helped shepherd the University through tough times related to their basketball program. A good guy, but tough and no-nonsense. He used to be called "Undertaker" for his business suits and cool demeanor in class.

3 posted on 01/30/2007 5:26:01 AM PST by naturalized (Chazaq!)
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To: SJackson

BTTT.


4 posted on 01/30/2007 5:30:20 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth ("I'll build the g--d---- fence if they want it." -- John McCain, A Modern Profile In Courage)
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To: SJackson; tutstar; trillabodilla; GrandEagle; del4hope; duckbutt; Fiddlstix; somniferum; ...

Yet another UN-baptist Baptist Ping.


5 posted on 01/30/2007 5:37:19 AM PST by WKB (A wasted day is a day in which we have not laughed!)
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To: SJackson
Don Feder is a journalist in the truest sense of the word. Rather than the ad hominem attacks so prevalent today in the craft of reporting, Mr. Feder brings research and wit to the readers' perusal.
6 posted on 01/30/2007 5:39:57 AM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: SJackson

I am sure that what with BIll Clinton's faithful church attendance and exemplary Christian life, that he is just eactly the one most suitable to read the Southern Baptists their rights. Besides which he is aided in this by that shining light of international diplomacy, Jimmy Carter. This seems to me to be an unbeatable team. Look out, Rev. Stanley!!


7 posted on 01/30/2007 5:44:39 AM PST by twonie (Just because there are fewer of us don't mean we are wrong.)
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To: naturalized

Underwood was brought in to dismantle President Sloane's vision to make Baylor the foremost evangelical university in America. Sloane was gathering academics committed to that vision and it upset the liberals on the Board of Trustees. Underwood has found like minded people in Clinton/Carter.


8 posted on 01/30/2007 5:59:01 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: SJackson

If that old-time religion has such a bad rep, why are evangelical and charismatic churches growing, while the old-line, liberal Protestant denominations continue their 30-year decline?


Exactly, you can't pass your deeply held convictions on to the next generation if you don't have any.


9 posted on 01/30/2007 6:11:51 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Hunter '08)
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To: freedomfiter2
Faiths Fairness Doctrine

Buy a new tax free tent and hit the holy roller road for the 2008 election. Oh ya and faith too!
10 posted on 01/30/2007 6:16:41 AM PST by colonialhk (not a sooprize sooprize sooprize)
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To: blue-duncan
Clinton/Carter are just another head of the same snake.

There is another like-minded movement (snake with a similar goal and Purpose) afoot in the church and its leader, at a Pew Forum on mega-churches, has also stated that "fundamentalism", including Christian fundamentalism, is the enemy of the 21st century. This leader is also concentrating on the social gospel...

...that leader's name is Rick Warren.

11 posted on 01/30/2007 6:19:16 AM PST by pby
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To: pby
Clinton/Carter long range goal is to start their own church and become TV Evangelists?
12 posted on 01/30/2007 6:43:17 AM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: SJackson
William D. Underwood, president of Atlanta’s Mercer University, and another organizer of the Covenant, explained: "We’re not against any other group of people of faith. We’re against the fact that 100,000 people died last month of malaria. We’re against the fact that hundreds of thousands of Africans face starvation each year."

So can we assume they favor the use of DDT?

13 posted on 01/30/2007 6:44:31 AM PST by sportutegrl (This thread is useless without pix.)
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To: pby
There is another like-minded movement (snake with a similar goal and Purpose) afoot in the church and its leader, at a Pew Forum on mega-churches, has also stated that "fundamentalism", including Christian fundamentalism, is the enemy of the 21st century. This leader is also concentrating on the social gospel...

...that leader's name is Rick Warren.

I don't know. Rick Warren seems mostly like a fad, running out of sequels. What's left, The Purpose Driven Sunday School?

If you've got any links, please post them.

14 posted on 01/30/2007 6:48:04 AM PST by Entrepreneur
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To: Shery

The Southern Baptists are one of the only protestant denominations these days having lots of children. The Methodists, Presbyterian, Episcopals, etc are not procreating at the same levels. In the liberal sectors having two kids is having a large family; having more you run the risk of being labeled a "breeder" and being anti-environment among other things. To remain liberal lap-dogs like the main-line churches have become, you cannot have more than to kids. Folks, forcing (key word here) families to remain at two kids is not replacement level, it is not even zero growth. It is negative growth.

The other reason mainstream churches are losing members is the fact that they offer nothing but the "I'm ok - you're ok" philosophy and everything is permissible. The liberal denominations are turning out totally licentious youths who think, "well, if I can find the truth in myself, why do I need church?"

Carter and Clinton are creating what will eventually be considered the real Souther Baptist denomination. The conservative SBC will be considered renegade and be looked at even lower in the eyes of liberals if that is possible.


15 posted on 01/30/2007 7:47:48 AM PST by swampmonster (Carter, Clinton, Gore, etc. The South destroys western civilization through its leaders!)
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To: swampmonster
The Southern Baptists are one of the only protestant denominations these days having lots of children.
Although not protestant (we didn't come out of the Catholic churck) - There are at least two other associations that are conservative - in many ways more so than the SBC.
ABA and
BMA churches.
16 posted on 01/30/2007 8:19:58 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: SJackson

I was just going to post this if it wasn't posted already. Don Feder is such a talented writer, and he really hit this one out of the park. I am extremely grateful for Don Feder. He is one of my favorites.


17 posted on 01/30/2007 9:35:58 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: WKB

I should have checked my pings earlier. This is a great column. Thanks for the ping to it.


18 posted on 01/30/2007 9:38:46 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: TYVets
Warren isn't a tv evangelist.

But Warren, like Clinton/Carter, takes a "softer", more "appealing" approach to the gospel, doctrine, preaching, fundamentalism than does the SBC leadership.

I am sure that the Clinton/Carter plan will work well with Warren's global P.E.A.C.E. Plan. Warren says that he will work with Muslims, Hindus and non-Christians in order to carry out his P.E.A.C.E. Plan (forget Scripture, sound doctrine and salvation through Christ...we've got AIDS, poverty, lack of education, "spiritual emptiness" (whatever that is) injustice, egotistical leadership and etc. to cure! Lets partner together and get it done).

Listen to what Clinton/Carter and Warren are saying...They sound very, very similar.

These similarities may be a sign of the same end goal.

What do you expect from somebody who is a member of the CFR?

19 posted on 01/30/2007 10:11:50 AM PST by pby
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To: Entrepreneur
The Purpose Driven Sunday School, and Churches, and Cities (Orlanda, Fl), and Countries (Rwanda) already exist.

Look at the Orange County Register's article on Purpose Driven Rwanda and how Rwanda's President is appreciative for the economic influence and business oppurtunities that Warren has brought to the Rwanda...It is more than just a fad.

And...Clinton/Carter are a little late to the table; Warren has been doing and saying, for years, what Clinton/Carter are just starting to do and say. Warren says that we need "more deeds and less creeds" and that for far too long the church has been just a "big mouth" and that he is not just for the "left wing or the right wing - he's for the whole bird" and etc.

Clinton/Carter, the emergent church and Purpose Driven all lead down the same path (away from a biblical Christ-centered Church towards a complete man-centered church).

Check out Warren's global P.E.A.C.E. Plan. The goals will make Clinton/Carter proud! And this plan can be implemented through any religion (Hindu, Muslim, non-Christian - Warren will work with them all to cure AIDS, cure poverty, cure spirtiual emptiness, and the other "global giants"...It doesn't need biblical, doctrinal, fundamental, gospel-based, real Christianity...Just give Warren a "man of peace" and he'll get the job done. The churches, mosques, synagogues and temples will be the P.E.A.C.E. Plan distribution centers (according to Warren).

www.pewforum.org/events/index.php?eventID=80 will take you to the Pew Forum's "Myths of the Modern Mega-Church". Warren talks about Christian fundamentalism as an enemy and also talks about his global P.E.A.C.E. Plan (which is really just a christianezed verzion of Peter Drucker's communitarianism).

20 posted on 01/30/2007 10:49:17 AM PST by pby
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To: SJackson

These two people are the least qualified on this earth to lecture others on religion.


21 posted on 01/30/2007 12:07:52 PM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: pby

Warren is a CFR member?


22 posted on 01/30/2007 1:01:52 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
Yes...Warren is a member of the CFR.

In an email to Joseph Farah, of WorldNetDaily, in reference to Warren's trip to Syria (in which Warren met with Assad), Warren stated that he was a close friend of President Bush "and many, if not most, of the generals at the Pentagon".

Warren also stated that, "In fact, as a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and Oxford Analytica, I might know as much about the Middle East as you."

Warren confirmed in another email, to Farah, that he was indeed a member of the CFR.

Interesting...isn't it?

23 posted on 01/30/2007 1:43:00 PM PST by pby
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To: pby
Than certanally explains a lot.
Thanks so much for the information!
24 posted on 01/30/2007 1:55:59 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle

You are welcome.


25 posted on 01/30/2007 2:01:26 PM PST by pby
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To: naturalized

What a courageous stand: being against peoples' dying of malaria.


26 posted on 01/30/2007 2:04:45 PM PST by utahagen
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To: SJackson

Carter and Clinton need to shut up and sit down. As another poster said, they are the last two I'd pick to lecture me regarding morals.

Do they really think that the SBC is going to take this sitting down? This is just another attempt to secularize Christianity and for the faithful we know what they are about. The Devil's work, not God's.


27 posted on 01/30/2007 4:41:19 PM PST by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: pby
Warren isn't a TV evangelist

In my reply #12 I was referring only to Clinton/Carter, no one else or their beliefs.

I should have added a sarcasm tag to my attempt at humor.

Carter/Clinton are in a world of their own. (/S)

28 posted on 01/31/2007 8:12:05 AM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: TYVets
Carter/Clinton are in a world of their own.

Not with Warren they aren't...They sound just like him. If the SBC puts up with Warren, they will put up with Clinton/Carter.

Remember...Warren had Obama, a pro-radical homosexual agenda supporter, at his church to speak on the issue of AIDS.

In light of this, Warren might as well have Clinton speak to his church about the role of a good husband in making a biblical marriage.

29 posted on 01/31/2007 9:53:08 AM PST by pby
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To: WKB
Once it’s up and running, henceforth and forevermore, whenever the media is looking for "Baptists" to endorse the left’s latest social lunacy, they will turn to the Carter/Clinton Baptists for the desired response.

Marginalizing the SBC as the radical far right and a tiny minority of Southern Baptists in order to inflate the numbers of the Carter/Clinton cabal's majority.

30 posted on 02/01/2007 12:49:25 PM PST by Magnolia
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