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Are the Right People Becoming Teachers? ( Teachers are NOT Professionals)
EdNews.org ^ | January 9,2007 | Martin Haberman

Posted on 01/30/2007 5:45:59 AM PST by wintertime

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1. The practitioners know and can do things the public in general cannot do. They have a specialized body of knowledge.

2. The specialized body of knowledge practitioners have takes an extended period of time to learn.

3. The educators who prepare the practitioners are experts who agree upon the specialized body of knowledge practitioners must have.

4. Admission to a professional training program is highly selective.( snip).

6. Only members of the profession set the standards for licensure and certification.

7. The primary responsibility and loyalty of a professional is to serve the client and not simply the institution or governmental agency in which the practitioner may be employed.

8. Neither the public at large nor an employing institution may control the way in which professionals relate to their clients, or the treatments, methods or procedures they use.

9. Neither the public at large nor an employing institution may set the purpose, goals or objectives for the practitioner’s practice with clients.

10. The public at large does not decide how to evaluate professionals.

11. Only members of the profession can determine malpractice and dismiss or disbar practitioners.

12. Professionals determine the cost of their services.

19. Professionals are trained to serve clients with problems. By definition “professionals” do not seek to perform services to clients without problems.

21. Professionals share a code of ethics to which they commit and adhere. They cannot be directed to perform or not perform services for clients which conflict with their professional code.

The case that teaching does not meet any of these twenty one criteria can be readily made.

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Martin Haverman continues:

Teachers are employees of school districts. Unless they function in compliance with the rules and regulations of their employing district they will not be hired or remain employed. Members of the public determine the content and nature of their services. As employees they have no legitimate control over their practices. It is only on an informal level, the fact that 3.1 million teachers cannot have their behaviors continually monitored and controlled, that they have any discretion at all. The advice to “shut your door and do what you want” does not make teaching a profession. Quite the reverse. It testifies to working conditions in which teachers must sneak activities which their employers might not sanction. If teachers can only demonstrate independent decision-making when they hide their behavior from superiors is that a hallmark of a profession? Legally, teachers have zero discretion over the nature of their training, certification, licensure, practice, or evaluation. Teachers are functionaries, frequently employed in dysfunctional bureaucracies. Teachers cannot decide “best practice”. “Best practice” is circumscribed and determined by what the public and the school boards and administrators who represent the public are willing to condone. If teachers don’t like their employers’ rules and regulations their only choice is to transfer to another school or another district where they can “live with” the conditions under which they must work, or they can quit teaching altogether. This is precisely the choice offered jobholders who are office workers, or who work in retail, or in any other job performed in an organized bureaucracy. Any reasonable analysis of what constitutes a job in contrast to what constitutes a profession will lead to the conclusion that teachers are jobholders who function in publicly run school districts.

Re: Criteria #7,#8,#9

I have previously posted that, if teachers were truly professional, they would refuse to work in conditions that damage children educationally, emotionally, socially, or physically. Unfortunately,teachers open their doors to, and work in, schools that use ineffective and damaging educational programs, and where children are brutalized by other children and sometimes the staff and other teachers.

We often hear that "good" teachers are doing the best they can and shouldn't be blamed. I disagree.

A heart surgeon would refuse to work in an operating room with a heart lung machine that was known to be defective, but, so-called "good" teachers go to work every day in schools throughout this nation that are using defective educational methods and are physically unsafe for the children. Would a surgeon just wring his hands and complain that he was trying the best he could? Hardly! He would transfer his practice to a safe hospital and refuse to practice in the hospital with poor operating room practices. If teachers were true "professionals", and if teaching were a true profession, they would do what was right for the students regardless of the demands of whiny or demanding principals or parents, or the possible loss of their paycheck and benefits.

Teachers, who work in schools with ineffective and damaging educational and discipline practices, or that are emotionally and physically unsafe for children, are one or more of the following:

1) They are too stupid to know with what they are cooperating.

2) They are greedy for a paycheck and generous benefits.

3) They like working in a system that harms children, and this makes them evil.

I have cut some of Martin Haberman's criteria for professionals from the post so that the excerpt could be accepted as a post. I recommend the entire article. It is worth the time to read it.

1 posted on 01/30/2007 5:46:00 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

"The specialized body of knowledge practitioners have takes an extended period of time to learn."


I'm not sure, but I think the only professions that would really meet this criterion would be doctors and lawyers (and vets). Seems a bogus criterion to me.


2 posted on 01/30/2007 5:52:10 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: wintertime

Innumerable tests over many decades have shown that the mental test scores of people who specialize in education are among the lowest of any college students. This is not an accident. Given the incredibly bad courses in education that abound, in even the top universities, intelligent people are repelled, while mediocrities and incompetents sail through.


3 posted on 01/30/2007 5:55:10 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
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To: wintertime

A 50+ year old liberal relative of mine has been a teacher for over 20 years. She thought a "separation of church and state" was in the Constitution.


4 posted on 01/30/2007 5:57:11 AM PST by Vision ("Delight yourself in the Lord; and he will give you your heart's desires." Psalm 37:4)
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To: wintertime
I am now dating a teacher and they face all sorts of bureaucratic crap from kids with Tourette's being used a messenger between classes to a young man with a state allowed modification of lesson plan that allows him to masturbate one per day in class.

Gee, and we got in trouble if we chewed gum.

The rules are rules have to be followed and the teachers get to follow 'em.

5 posted on 01/30/2007 6:03:37 AM PST by pikachu (Be alert -- we need more lerts!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Lawyers, actuaries, engineers, psychologists (of any licensable variety), or for that matter mathematicians (we sure as heck aren't amateurs, so we must be professionals) all fit the 'specialized body of knowledge' citerion.

Criterion 19 is the one that's a bit iffy as too medical.


6 posted on 01/30/2007 6:10:11 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: pikachu
with a state allowed modification of lesson plan that allows him to masturbate one per day in class.

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In class?

Are you serious?

Well,,,if the teachers in this school go to school every day and open the doors, then they are cooperating with, aiding and abetting, and harming the children in that school. A true professional would not agree to do this. They would REFUSE to practice their profession no matter how many fits the parents or principals threw.
7 posted on 01/30/2007 6:11:10 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: pikachu

The rules are rules have to be followed and the teachers get to follow 'em.

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NO! They do NOT have to follow 'em!

Are police holding guns to the heads of these teachers as they open the doors to their classrooms each day? I don't think so. If they were true professionals they would refuse to cooperate, or they would quit!


8 posted on 01/30/2007 6:12:57 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: The_Reader_David

Criterion 19 is the one that's a bit iffy as too medical.

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The author claims that most, not all, of the criteria apply to true professionals. He states that teachers meet NONE of the criteria.


9 posted on 01/30/2007 6:14:40 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: wintertime
Teachers, who work in schools with ineffective and damaging educational and discipline practices, or that are emotionally and physically unsafe for children, are one or more of the following:

1) They are too stupid to know with what they are cooperating.

2) They are greedy for a paycheck and generous benefits.

3) They like working in a system that harms children, and this makes them evil.


I find this statement disgusting and appalling. Did it not occur to you that maybe people recognize such school districts as badly broken and in need of help? Did it ever occur to you that perhaps a decent, moral person might try to help improve such a school, rather than turn their back on it? How about trying to help these kids in dangerous environments rather than leaving them there to rot?

My sister is a public school teacher down in Baltimore. The schools there are very dangerous, and perform very poorly academically. They're full of kids with completely broken family lives, from a culture that puts no value on education, and where violence is a regular occurrence. She went to Johns Hopkins, hardly slouch school, and gradated with nearly a 4.0, so she's not stupid. She gets paid very badly, so she's not greedy. If she took some sort of sick, twisted pleasure in harming children, then she'd leave those kids with the incompetence they're used to.

I hold her in very high respect for the work she does, and I get extremely angry when people make ignorant statements such as yours. It is one of the hardest, most important, and sometimes downright dangerous jobs there is, yet garners very little respect. Think before you speak next time.
10 posted on 01/30/2007 6:15:56 AM PST by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: wintertime
2. The specialized body of knowledge practitioners have takes an extended period of time to learn.

I'll tell you one thing: whoever wrote this rotten sentence, and the majority of this list, ain't no professional practitioner of writin' English.

11 posted on 01/30/2007 6:17:42 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Vision
We're all not that bad. A photo of my classroom The goodies are Valentine treats the kids made for the troops stationed at Gitmo.

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12 posted on 01/30/2007 6:18:03 AM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear.. on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: wintertime

Haberman-"He has developed more programs preparing more teachers than anyone in American education. His interview for selecting Urban Teachers is used in 200 cities."

It sounds like he is a major part of the problem in public education.


13 posted on 01/30/2007 6:18:49 AM PST by em2vn
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To: wintertime

With the invention of the personal computer and the advent of the Internet, teachers became utterly obsolete. Society just hasn't fully realized it yet. In twenty more years, the idea of herding forty kids into a makeshift prison cell to be lectured to by a "C" student with a minimal command of the curriculum will seem as bizarre and backward as the medical practice of bloodletting to treat disease does today.


14 posted on 01/30/2007 6:20:04 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: pikachu

I've been a teacher for 16 years, but only the last 7 years in public schools. This article is filled with so much irony that it is difficult to read with a straight face. The only way the public education system in this country is going to change is if the business community pushes the change. We know that won't happen as long as they can bring in highly educated people from overseas who will do the jobs that Americans weren't educated to perform.

Yes, there are some teachers who deserve scorn. However, there is plenty of blame to share with parents and administrators as well. Until the system changes though, we're all just actors in it.


15 posted on 01/30/2007 6:20:31 AM PST by reeb88 (How much fun are 72 virgins anyway? How much crying can one martyr take?)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
I hold her in very high respect for the work she does, and I get extremely angry when people make ignorant statements such as yours. It is one of the hardest, most important, and sometimes downright dangerous jobs there is, yet garners very little respect. Think before you speak next time.

Amen.

Like you, I don't understand the need to rip on teaching, as a profession, if you're unhappy with certain teachers out there.

16 posted on 01/30/2007 6:21:55 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
yet garners very little respect.

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You bet!

I have little respect for people who are cooperating with and propping up a system that harms children with ineffectual and damaging educational programs, lax discipline, and allows a chaotic and unsafe physical, emotional, and sexual environment for children.

Yep! I have little respect for these enablers.
17 posted on 01/30/2007 6:22:49 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

In twenty more years, the idea of herding forty kids into a makeshift prison cell to be lectured to by a "C" student with a minimal command of the curriculum will seem as bizarre and backward as the medical practice of bloodletting to treat disease does today.

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I surely hope so.


18 posted on 01/30/2007 6:24:25 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: pikachu
"a young man with a state allowed modification of lesson plan that allows him to masturbate one per day in class"

I don't believe it. There is no kid that is allowed to masturbate in class.


---regards
19 posted on 01/30/2007 6:25:16 AM PST by esoxmagnum
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To: wintertime
Some of us are fighting in the trenches my FRiend. Would you rather we depart and leave the schools totally to the liberals?
20 posted on 01/30/2007 6:25:28 AM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear.. on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: wintertime

Teachers are stealth propagandists for the Left. Not all of course but the core definately is nothing but Draft Dodger hopefulls.


21 posted on 01/30/2007 6:25:48 AM PST by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gultch.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
"...but I think the only professions that would really meet this criterion would be doctors and lawyers (and vets)."

I would argue that the military would qualify as well....

22 posted on 01/30/2007 6:26:49 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

Your sister deserves the utmost respect.


23 posted on 01/30/2007 6:27:37 AM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: reeb88

Yes, there are some teachers who deserve scorn.

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I scorn enablers!

Any teacher who cooperates with at system that is chaotic, lacks discipline, is highly sexualized, uses ineffectual educational practices that leave children illiterate and innumerate is NOT a professional.

Please see : Criteria #7 #8 #9 #21


24 posted on 01/30/2007 6:28:11 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: jongaltsr
"Teachers are stealth propagandists for the Left."

Call me a traditionalist, but I prefer the time-honored term, "useful idiots." (Not all, of course...just the overwhelming majority).

25 posted on 01/30/2007 6:28:16 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: pikachu

I have students who need hearings aids and glasses but refuse to wear them. I am encouraged to accommodate them. Teaching is very difficult and it does indeed take a few years to get the hang of classroom management and teaching focused on the ever-shifting requirements set down from on high here in California. I hope I don't have to do it for much longer.


26 posted on 01/30/2007 6:29:07 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Please see post #17.


27 posted on 01/30/2007 6:29:23 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

"Like you, I don't understand the need to rip on teaching, as a profession, if you're unhappy with certain teachers out there."

You all haven't seen wintertimes other threads?
She won't be happy until all public schools are shut down because teachers and administrators refuse to report for work.
It seems that until they come up with the perfect curriculum, have the perfect teaching staffs, and have eliminated absolutely all safety risks - then no children or adults should be setting foot on public school property.

Imagine all the kids running around getting into trouble while their parent are forced to leave them home while they work to pay the bills.

And when these kids get into trouble and get hurt - who will be the first folks they blame? That's right - the teachers and administrators who go "on strike."

Wintertime doesn't seem to apply this same standard to her own industry - the medical field.
I think doctors and nurses should refuse to report to work until they eliminate the risk of infection to innocent patients.
Everday perfectly healthy people are catching diseases at medical facilities, and people with minor health problems leave the hospital in a hearse after contracting a staph infection from a "minor" surgery.


28 posted on 01/30/2007 6:29:31 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Joe 6-pack
Call me a traditionalist, but I prefer the time-honored term, "useful idiots." (Not all, of course...just the overwhelming majority).

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I call them enablers.

But,,,you are correct. They are the useful idiots of the Marxist Left.
29 posted on 01/30/2007 6:30:54 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: mware
You are one of the good ones!
Your children are blessed!
30 posted on 01/30/2007 6:32:15 AM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President....2008!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

"I'm not sure, but I think the only professions that would really meet this criterion would be doctors and lawyers (and vets)."

The rule I use to differentiate between professions and trades is this:

If an enthusiastic amateur can outperform a disengaged professional 90% of the time it is a trade. If a disengaged professional can outperform an enthusiastic amateur 90% of the time it is a profession.

Homeschooling parents are the definition of an enthusiastic amateur. They regulalry outperform uncaring teachers -- teaching is a trade. (A skilled trade, but a trade. Yet the odds are no matter how enthusiastic you are a brain surgeon with a bad case of DGAS is going to do an operation better than you can. Medicine is a profession. So is the law. So is engineering.


31 posted on 01/30/2007 6:32:57 AM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Call me a traditionalist, but I prefer the time-honored term, "useful idiots." (Not all, of course...just the overwhelming majority).

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Those teachers who are NOT the "useful idiots" of the Marxist Left, well...what are they?

These teachers are enablers! They are cooperating with a system that is working to destroy our nation and Western Civilization. We are supposed to "respect" these people? I don't think so!

We certainly should NOT be inviting them to the Rose Garden to be given the Mother Teresa Award by the president!
32 posted on 01/30/2007 6:34:22 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: Scotswife

Bravo!!!!! Well said.


33 posted on 01/30/2007 6:35:07 AM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: wintertime
Please see post #17.

Thanks, but I already read it, and determined you were (a) incontinent, (b) a crank, or (c) both.

34 posted on 01/30/2007 6:35:35 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I think the professions are law, medicine and engineering.


35 posted on 01/30/2007 6:35:58 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Yeah, but I gotta tell ya, I have a hard time choking back a comment when the trainer at my local fitness center refers to his "clients". Gimme a break, he's got a degree in exercise kinesiology (which used to be physical education)!


36 posted on 01/30/2007 6:36:41 AM PST by jagusafr (The proof that we are rightly related to God is that we do our best whether we feel inspired or not")
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To: HIDEK6

You left out "the oldest profession"? ;-)


37 posted on 01/30/2007 6:38:11 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: mware

Good job.

Are you outnumbered in your school?


38 posted on 01/30/2007 6:38:17 AM PST by Vision ("Delight yourself in the Lord; and he will give you your heart's desires." Psalm 37:4)
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To: mware
...but our county hired a young woman who is very angry with life and has extreme problems....

..she's tried suicide at least once....tried lesbianism...but now living with a guy....

..covered her huge tattoos for the school interview, plus her numerous piercings.

She's a liberal to the nth degree....

..and she's teaching highschool.

Great, huh.

39 posted on 01/30/2007 6:38:37 AM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President....2008!)
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To: Scotswife

I had no idea of the history, but it makes perfect sense now. Thanks for the background.


40 posted on 01/30/2007 6:38:42 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Traditionally, the professions are considered law, medicine, and the clergy, all of which have always required an oath (hence the name "profession") to practice, and now require a professional degree in addition to a college degree.
41 posted on 01/30/2007 6:42:35 AM PST by Young Scholar
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To: Mr. Jeeves

http://www.fordhaminstitute.org/institute/publication/publication.cfm?id=46

"Why Education Experts Resist Effective Practices (And What It Would Take to Make Education More Like Medicine)"


42 posted on 01/30/2007 6:43:04 AM PST by Excellence (Vote Dhimmocrat; Submit for Peace! (Bacon bits make great confetti.))
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To: wintertime
Did you even bother to read what I wrote? You spoke of dangerous environments for children. Public schools in Baltimore are such an environment, as is most of the city of Baltimore. Many teachers there just allow things to keep sliding, because they don't care. You are correct that such individuals exist. They do not compose 100% of the teaching population nationwide. If a teacher comes to such a school, trying to enforce discipline and teach the basics, what is that "enabling"? Maybe "enabling" some of these kids to be more than drug dealers and gang bangers? If they do run into a problem with the bureaucracy of the school system, should they call it a lost cause, quit, and let these kids suffer even more?
43 posted on 01/30/2007 6:43:36 AM PST by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: wintertime

I guess the world's oldest profession isn't a profession at all.


44 posted on 01/30/2007 6:44:37 AM PST by flada (Posting in a manner reminiscent of Jen-gis Kahn.)
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To: wintertime

Your list is specious and faulty."12. Professionals determine the cost of their services." Within reason, within what the market will bear. But it would be futile to argue point by point, since you are simply trying to 'dump' on all teachers. Would these be elementary, middle, high school, college, or university? I teach at the university where the body of knowledge required depends upon the subject. I teach English, which boasts subjects which would curl the hair of the average right-winger (wing-nut as my husband calls you and me), and my latest challenge is to AVOID LEFT WING, PRO-PALESTINIAN, PRO-TERRORIST, PRO-OCCULT, ANTI-CHRISTIAN DRIVEL! and believe me, it's hard! But my challenge (and that of all teachers) is to make kids think... and having lots of different teachers doing lots of different things accomplishes this, even when more than half of them are established on the left, or wear blinkers for their own subject, or kowtow to the administration. The curriculum we work with, and the teaching methods, were established by the ancient romans. Oh, we've dropped the birch, for the most part, and the Latin, and dummied down the process, but not much else has changed. Personally, I'd like to see a revolution take place, but it won't happen in my time. In the meantime, remember that the smart person YOU are is the result of the 'indoctrination' by these so very 'unprofessional' teachers -- bless them!


45 posted on 01/30/2007 6:45:19 AM PST by Thywillnotmine (take the wings of the morning)
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To: wintertime
We had a student with autism that started doing that. He had to be escorted to the bathroom by a special ed male teacher (who had to be pulled from his regular room, no less), who then had to stand outside the bathroom door to make sure he got privacy. Of course, the teacher was also asked by co workers if he had a smoke for the kid when he was done.

People always complain about teachers, but most of them are hard working people who would move Heaven and Earth to help their students. It is the BS, PC stuff that hampers them (and they are just as ticked off about it as you and I). Mainstreaming makes people feel so good, but imo, it slows down 25 other kids to make two or three feel better. Our society is gotten in the habit of sacrificing the group for one or two. And many times it is the parents who are demanding that these exceptions are made for their children (we wouldn't want Timmy to feel left out) and threaten lawsuits if their needs are not met. If the parent is persistent enough, they can have their child placed at a facility of their choice and the school is responsible for the tuition.
46 posted on 01/30/2007 6:45:59 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (Relax, it was probably a joke.)
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To: Ouderkirk
My wife is a teacher, and I have seen quite a bit of the public education dogma over the years. She has a degree in industrial technology and engineering with years of experience working in engineering and now teaches technology in high school.

I can tell you that the school board and the educational system places much more value on someone with an education degree over someone who is an expert in the field they teach. The "gift" of being an effective teacher doesn't really figure in to the equation either.

In other words, someone with an education degree and certified as an educator, with little or no knowledge of the subjects they teach, is valued much higher than someone with expert knowledge and real-world experience in the subjects they teach.

The prevailing "wisdom" is that unless you have an education degree, you do not know how to teach effectively. The fact that you know your subject is secondary. You will never be a "real teacher" if you are merely an expert in your field and good with kids.

47 posted on 01/30/2007 6:46:19 AM PST by Sender ("Great powers should never get involved in the politics of small tribes.")
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I agree. This criteria is crap.


48 posted on 01/30/2007 6:46:24 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
I agree. My Son was a HS English teacher. He is intelligent and quit teaching after three years. He taught in a school system with a high percentage of functionally illiterate students. Even when he had the best students in a class, their writing skills were awful. He said in a class for 11th grade (best students) that none had ever written a term paper. Apparently, teachers had not assigned one since it is a lot of work grading all those papers!
My Son was told to pass students to the next grade that could barely read. He said no. He went out of grace with the school administration. He got fed up and joined the Army.
I know other teachers, some in better school systems. They are not greedy, and are aware of faults in the system, but cannot change the system, only do their best at teaching kids.

I read some years ago that California has a statewide teachers test in English and Math (8th grade level). I think over 50% of the teachers failed the 8th grade math test!
49 posted on 01/30/2007 6:46:56 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

"If they do run into a problem with the bureaucracy of the school system, should they call it a lost cause, quit, and let these kids suffer even more?"

Yes!
Well...maybe not "quit" - they should refuse to report to work until the environment is scrubbed clean - new curriculum, new staff, no safety risks whatsoever - and somehow the kids are supposed to all get to the school without riding "dangerous" school busses.

Of course..the kids are home - alone - while everyone tries to work on that little project.


50 posted on 01/30/2007 6:47:36 AM PST by Scotswife
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