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Quebec town to immigrants: you can't kill women
reuters ^ | David Ljunggren

Posted on 01/31/2007 6:25:38 AM PST by thinking

By David Ljunggren

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Immigrants wishing to live in the small Canadian town of Herouxville, Quebec, must not stone women to death in public, burn them alive or throw acid on them, according to an extraordinary set of rules released by the local council.

The declaration, published on the town's Web site, has deepened tensions in the predominantly French-speaking province over how tolerant Quebecers should be toward the customs and traditions of immigrants.

"We wish to inform these new arrivals that the way of life which they abandoned when they left their countries of origin cannot be recreated here," said the declaration, which makes clear women are allowed to drive, vote, dance, write checks, dress how they want, work and own property.

"Therefore we consider it completely outside these norms to ... kill women by stoning them in public, burning them alive, burning them with acid, circumcising them etc."

No one on the town council was available for comment on Tuesday. Herouxville, which has 1,300 inhabitants, is about 160 km (100 miles) northeast of Montreal.

Andre Drouin, the councilor who devised the declaration, told the National Post newspaper that the town was not racist.

"We invite people from all nationalities, all languages, all sexual orientations, whatever, to come live with us, but we want them to know ahead of time how we live," he said.

The declaration is part of a wider debate over "reasonable accommodation," or how far Quebecers should be prepared to change their customs so as not to offend immigrants. Figures from the 2001 census show that around 10 percent of Quebec's 7.5 million population were born outside Canada.

Earlier this month the Journal de Montreal newspaper published a poll of Quebecers showing that 59 percent admitted to harboring some kind of racist feelings.

The Herouxville regulations say girls and boys can exercise together and people should only be allowed to cover their faces at Halloween. Children must not take weapons to school, it adds, although the Supreme Court of Canada has already ruled that Sikh boys have the right to carry ceremonial daggers.

Salam Elmenyawi, president of the Muslim Council of Montreal, said the declaration had "set the clock back for decades" as far as race relations were concerned.

"I was shocked and insulted to see these kinds of false stereotypes and ignorance about Islam and our religion ... in a public document written by people in authority who discriminate openly," he told Reuters.

Last year a Montreal gym agreed to install frosted windows after a nearby Hasidic synagogue said it was offended by the sight of adults exercising.

Newspapers say a Montreal community center banned men from prenatal classes to respect Hindu and Sikh traditions and an internal police magazine suggested women police officers allow their male colleagues to interview Hasidic Jews.

Montreal's police force is investigating one of its officers after he posted an anti-immigrant song called "That's Enough Already" on the Internet.

"We want to accept ethnics, but not at any price ... if you're not happy with your fate, there's a place called the airport," the officer sings.

An accompanying video shows clips of Muslims and Hasidic Jews and at one point shows shots of a partially nude woman to mock those who wear veils.

The Herouxville declaration is available, in English and French, at the "avis public" section of the town's Web site, http://municipalite.herouxville.qc.ca.


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1 posted on 01/31/2007 6:25:39 AM PST by thinking
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To: thinking
Salam Elmenyawi, president of the Muslim Council of Montreal, said the declaration had "set the clock back for decades" as far as race relations were concerned.

Paranoid are we? It said immigrants. It didnt specify where they came from.

2 posted on 01/31/2007 6:29:42 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: thinking
Andre Drouin... told the National Post newspaper that the town was not racist.

I'm just amazed that some would think that the opposition to killing women by stoning them, burning them, etc. is racist.

3 posted on 01/31/2007 6:30:40 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: thinking

This sounds like a Monty Python sketch.

Whot, no killing wimmin? (no)
No burnin' or acid either? (no)
No stonin'? (no)

How about castin' a little pebble at the sluts then, like this? (no)


4 posted on 01/31/2007 6:31:42 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: thinking

"...must not stone women to death in public, burn them alive or throw acid on them..."

Glad they cleared that up...

Just do it in private...


5 posted on 01/31/2007 6:32:37 AM PST by DB
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To: Long Island Pete

I didn't know Islam was a race.


6 posted on 01/31/2007 6:32:39 AM PST by Little Ray
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To: theDentist

Only in public...


7 posted on 01/31/2007 6:33:04 AM PST by DB
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To: thinking
"I was shocked and insulted to see these kinds of false stereotypes and ignorance about Islam and our religion ... "

I mean did the degree mention Islam? Anyway, what's wrong with simply endorsing it? I mean, unless you want to stone women to death, throw acid on them etc.

8 posted on 01/31/2007 6:34:03 AM PST by Tribune7 (Conservatives hold bad behavior against their leaders. Dims don't.)
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To: thinking
Brad whathisface and Angelina whosit are racist....They haven't bought a Hispanic baby yet...


9 posted on 01/31/2007 6:34:52 AM PST by Dallas59 (HAPPY NEW YEAR 2007!)
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To: Dallas59
Angie is uncovered....
10 posted on 01/31/2007 6:35:45 AM PST by Dallas59 (HAPPY NEW YEAR 2007!)
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To: DB

11 posted on 01/31/2007 6:35:59 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: Little Ray

It's a race to Hell.


12 posted on 01/31/2007 6:38:01 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: thinking
...Quebecers should be prepared to change their customs so as not to offend immigrants.

When westerners go to another country we respect their customs (mostly), so why do they think we should have to respect their abhorant customs, of which many are illegal, in our home country?

13 posted on 01/31/2007 6:39:37 AM PST by CPOSharky (Year = 365 days. muzzy 'most holy' days = 450. Go figure.)
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To: thinking
"Therefore we consider it completely outside these norms to ... kill women by stoning them in public, burning them alive, burning them with acid, circumcising them etc."

Well now... That doesn't sound very tolerant and multi-cultural of them.

Muslims are just different. That doesn't mean their culture is inferior.

14 posted on 01/31/2007 6:42:01 AM PST by TChris (The Democrat Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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To: thinking

Sometimes the French have good ideas...


15 posted on 01/31/2007 6:43:05 AM PST by D-Chivas
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To: CPOSharky

Have the language police told Muslims they can only put up business signs in French?


16 posted on 01/31/2007 6:43:54 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Dallas59

Is she trying to be the new 'white' Josephine Baker? A rainbow family. Maybe she'll move to france to make the picture complete.


17 posted on 01/31/2007 6:45:42 AM PST by processing please hold (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Long Island Pete

Gee, it's so nice of those helpful, gun toting, islamic boy scouts to dig that poor woman out of the quicksand she fell in.


18 posted on 01/31/2007 6:47:47 AM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: thinking
Salam Elmenyawi, president of the Muslim Council of Montreal, said the declaration had "set the clock back for decades" as far as race relations were concerned.

That's still centuries ahead of muzzie culture.

19 posted on 01/31/2007 6:47:55 AM PST by OB1kNOb (This is no time for bleeding hearts, pacifists, and appeasers to prevail in free world opinion.)
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To: Little Ray
Salam Elmenyawi, president of the Muslim Council of Montreal, said the declaration had "set the clock back for decades" as far as race relations were concerned.

"I didn't know Islam was a race"

Bingo!

20 posted on 01/31/2007 6:48:43 AM PST by eyedigress
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To: thinking

Religion of Peace?


21 posted on 01/31/2007 6:49:14 AM PST by RockinRight (What I want in '08: Gingrich's politics, Reagan's appeal, and Tancredo's immigration stance.)
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To: thinking
"We want to accept ethnics, but not at any price ... if you're not happy with your fate, there's a place called the airport,"

So there are clever cops in the world.

L

22 posted on 01/31/2007 6:52:56 AM PST by Lurker (Europeans killed 6 million Jews. As a reward they got 40 million Moslems. Karma's a bitch.)
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To: thinking
Salam Elmenyawi, president of the Muslim Council of Montreal, said the declaration had "set the clock back for decades" as far as race relations were concerned.

Set the clock back for the Muslim agenda perhaps, if I was in a cynical...err or maybe a Mark Steyn bent of mine.

"I was shocked and insulted to see these kinds of false stereotypes and ignorance about Islam and our religion ... in a public document written by people in authority who discriminate openly," he told Reuters.

Nothing false about this. This is not discrimination but good advice to new arrivals to Canada. To use the catch word "discrimination" is a tactic of radicals, especially to promote themselves as victims of western authority and imperialism.
23 posted on 01/31/2007 6:53:03 AM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: OB1kNOb

Ahh! Who gives a damn what you think.


24 posted on 01/31/2007 6:59:15 AM PST by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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To: DB; fanfan; GMMAC; M. Espinola
bttt

"...must not stone women to death in public, burn them alive or throw acid on them..."

25 posted on 01/31/2007 7:15:21 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: thinking
Immigrants wishing to live in the small Canadian town of Herouxville, Quebec, must not stone women to death in public, burn them alive ...

Well then I guess I won't be moving there.
26 posted on 01/31/2007 7:18:50 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: george76; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Ryle; ..
Thanks for the ping George!

Canada ping.

Please send me a FReepmail to get on or off this Canada ping list.

28 posted on 01/31/2007 7:24:02 AM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Long Island Pete

Heartbreaking, the media should show young women choosing the Islamic faith what one day they may face.

And what parent would want their children to grow up to be faced with such barbaric cult nonsense?


29 posted on 01/31/2007 7:26:28 AM PST by Son House ( The Presidents enemies, are my enemies.)
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To: thinking

Ah, good ol' Quebec -- I long for it. There was an article last year or the year before when the issue of Sharia Law came up in Ontario that talked a about a fellow bringing 2 wives to Canada and insisting they stayed cooped up in a downtown apartment. Sometimes you just have to set down the limits of tolerance... and the possibilities of freedom.


30 posted on 01/31/2007 7:30:43 AM PST by Thywillnotmine (take the wings of the morning)
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To: JEC

Excuse me?


31 posted on 01/31/2007 7:41:48 AM PST by OB1kNOb (This is no time for bleeding hearts, pacifists, and appeasers to prevail in free world opinion.)
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To: thinking
Good for them in taking a stand at what their way of life is and if they the immigrants wish to take advantage of a better opportunity and standard of life they need to put their stones and acid away for good or go live somewhere else like where they came from. Good for these towns people standing up to an evasive cruel religion. If these particular immigrants are pissed off who cares.....
32 posted on 01/31/2007 7:46:01 AM PST by Wraith (To have peace prepare for War.)
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To: thinking

Well I do not think this can possibly be racist since they clearly stated the meat departments, swining pools are integrated LOL

"Along with the bans, the Hérouxville document states that Christmas trees are a Quebec tradition, that swimming pools are mixed, and that pork meat and beef are displayed on the same shelves. Asked whether he fears being labeled a racist, Drouin answers: “We are not racists, we are explaining our culture"."

Quote came from a blog in the area this took place

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015000.php


33 posted on 01/31/2007 7:46:13 AM PST by Shots (Loose Lip sink ships.........)
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To: thinking

Bump for later


34 posted on 01/31/2007 8:01:42 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: thinking

Gotta love these guys. I may just plan a vacation there.

Municipalité Hérouxville


The Standards

Our Women
We consider that men and women are of the same value. Having said this, we consider that a woman can; drive a car, vote, sign checks, dance, decide for herself, speak her peace, dress as she sees fit respecting of course the democratic decency, walk alone in public places, study, have a job, have her own belongings and anything else that a man can do. These are our standards and our way of life.
However, we consider that killing women in public beatings, or burning them alive are not part of our standards of life.

Our Children
Our children are required to attend public or private schools to insure their social development and to help integrate into our society. Any form of violence towards children is not accepted.

Our Festivities
We listen to music, we drink alcoholic beverages in public or private places, we dance and at the end of every year we decorate a tree with balls and tinsel and some lights. This is normally called “Christmas Decorations” or also “Christmas Tree” letting us rejoice in the notion of our national heritage and not necessarily a religious holiday. These festivities are authorized in public, schools, and institutions and also in private.

Our Health Care
In our old folks homes men and women are treated by responsible men and women. Please note that there is no law voted democratically that prohibits a woman treating a man and a man treating a woman. In our hospitals and CLSC’s woman doctors can treat men and women and the same for the men doctors. This same principle applies for nurses, firemen and women, ambulance technicians. These responsible people do not have to ask permission to perform blood transfusions or any task needed to save a life. For the last few years men have been allowed into the delivery room to assist in the birth of their baby. They have been with their wives to prenatal courses to help them in this task.
In the said establishments the patients are offered traditional meals. There is often music playing in the background. There are magazines or news papers available and any other form of multimedia that shows our community spirit and our way of life.

2

Our Education
In our schools certified men and women teach our children. The women or men teachers can teach boys or girls with no sexual discrimination. They do not have to dress any different to accomplish their tasks.
In our schools the children cannot carry any weapons real or fake, symbolic or not. The children can sing, play sports or play in groups.
To promote decency and to avoid all discrimination some schools have adopted a dress code that they strongly enforce.
For the last few years to draw away from religious influences or orientation no locale is made available for prayer or any other form of incantation. Moreover, in many of our schools no prayer is allowed. We teach more science and less religion.
In our scholastic establishments, be private or public, generally, at the end of the year you will possibly see “Christmas Decorations” or “Christmas Trees” The children might also sing “Christmas Carols” if they want to.
Many of our schools have cafeterias that serve traditional foods. Students may decide to eat elsewhere.
The history of Quebec is taught in our schools. Biology lessons are also given.

Our Sports & Leisure
For the longest time boys and girls have played the same games and often play together.
For example, if you came to my place we would send the kids to swim together in the pool, don’t be surprised this is normal for us.
You would see men and women skiing together on the same hill at the same time, don’t be surprised this is normal for us.
You would also see men and women playing hockey together, don’t be surprised this is normal for us.
In our public swimming pools we have men and women lifeguards for our security to protect us from drowning, don’t be surprised this is normal for us.
All the laws adopted that permit these phenomenons have followed a strict democratic process. You would appreciate this new life style and share our habits & customs.

Our Security
Our immense territory is patrolled by police men and women of the “Surete du Quebec”. They have always been allowed to question or to advise or lecture or to give out an infraction ticket to either a man or woman. You may not hide your face as to be able to identify you while you are in public. The only time you may mask or cover your face is during Halloween, this is a religious traditional custom at the end of October celebrating all Saints Day, where children dress up and go door to door begging for candy and treats. All of us accept to have our picture taken and printed on our driver’s permit, health care card and passports. A result of democracy.

Our Work Place
The employers must respect the governmental laws regarding work conditions. These laws include holidays known and accepted in advance by all employees. These work conditions are negotiated democratically and once accepted both parties respect them.
No law or work condition imposes the employer to supply a place of prayer or the time during the working day for this activity. You will also see men and women working side by side. We wear safety helmets on worksites, when required by law.

3

Our Business
Our businesses are governed by municipal, provincial and federal laws. In our busi-nesses men and women work together and serve the clientele whether they be man or woman.
The products sold by these businesses can be of any kind. Food products for example must be approved by different governmental agencies before being offered to the general public. You might see in the same store several different types of meat, eg. Beef , chicken, pork and lamb.
Other stores offer their clientele a place and equipment to exercise. These places have windows that their clientele can look outside while exercising and are composed of men and women dressed in clothing appropriate for exercising.

Our Families
You will appreciate that both parents manage the children needs and both have the same authority. The parents can be of the same race or not, be from the same country or not, have the same religion or not, even be of the same sex or not.
If a boy or girl wants to get married, they may, they have the liberty to chose who their spouse will be. The democratic process is applied to ensure each and everyone’s liberty to choose.
In our families, the boys and girls eat together at the same table and eat the same food. They can eat any type of meat, vegetables or fruit. They don’t eat just meat or just vegetables they can eat both at the same time and this throughout the whole year.
If our children eat meat for example, they don’t need to know where it came from or who killed it.Our people eat to nourish the body not the soul.

Other
You might still see crosses that tell our past. They are an integrated part of our history and patrimony and should be considered as such.

4
To publish all the laws and standards of Municipalité Hérouxville would be a tedious task. The standards published above are just a sample so the new arrivals to this territory can clearly identify with us before making their decision to move here.
Certainly, being the elected members, we would give the new arrivals the assurance that the conditions that they have fled from in their country would not happen again here in our territory.. Consequently, the peace of mind that we live with will always be.
It must be very clear that any person or persons, groups legal or not that would like to modify our habits and customs or our general way of life cannot do so without going through a referendum process following all laws put forward by our towns and municipalities. These referendums will be at the petitioner or petitioner’s cost.

Signed jointly by
the mayor and 6 city counselors of Hérouxville, all democratically elected


35 posted on 01/31/2007 8:12:22 AM PST by US admirer
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"I was shocked and insulted to see these kinds of false stereotypes and ignorance about Islam and our religion ... in a public document written by people in authority who discriminate openly," he told Reuters.

I am (no longer) shocked and insulted by someone lying to me about Islam. In Islam they stone woman to death for adultery. Also, in Islam they openly discriminate against non-Islamics. They even have a pejorative word "infidel" for non-Islamics. I am so sick of these POSs lying to me about Islam and about what it is and is not. Islam is a murdering repressing "religion" founded by a murdering lying pedophile for worshiping a demon called "Allah". Now what did I write that is not true?
36 posted on 01/31/2007 8:19:24 AM PST by jackieaxe (Unsourced reporting is not reporting but a lie or a manipulation)
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To: Long Island Pete
Interesting however that they recognized who the town was referring to.
37 posted on 01/31/2007 8:26:30 AM PST by US admirer
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To: US admirer
The important thing is, did they publish these rules in French as well?... Or more appropriately, in Arabic?
38 posted on 01/31/2007 8:43:00 AM PST by Gritty (Unlike the birthplace of your grandfather, Islam isn't left behind in the old country-Mark Steyn)
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To: thinking

39 posted on 01/31/2007 8:44:26 AM PST by Gritty (The laws of God, Sharia, are already made and thus no legislative power is needed- Ayyub Axel Köhler)
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To: Long Island Pete

I am starting to think that these Muslim man, are sexually perverted...something sexually under-developed, maybe, small penis, resulting from bad genes, maybe an imbalance of sex hormones....to engage in such atrocities, as pictured here, is similar to Nazis Jackboot SS, and there are stories that they were homosexual....


40 posted on 01/31/2007 9:09:47 AM PST by thinking
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To: thinking

Immigrants should not expect the new community to change their way of life for them. If they don't like our culture here, then leave!


41 posted on 01/31/2007 9:10:03 AM PST by B4Ranch (Press "1" for English, or Press "2" and you will be disconnected until you learn to speak English.)
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To: Gritty

I am confident that Herouxville's regulations were in French, and have been translated into English.

They could have added:

Language.
In our community, we speak French. French is the language of law and of business. Public education is conducted in our language, French. The speaking of other languages is, of course, completely legal. However, if you come to work and live in our community, you are expected to learn French, and all of your dealings with the government will all be conducted in French. Our businesses cannot be required to speak any language but French when doing business with you. Your children will be taught in French in the public schools, and the private schools are also required to educate all children in our language. You must send your children to school, and they must learn French. This is a condition of living with us, and it cannot be avoided. We speak French, and if you plan to live here, you need to learn French and to understand that your children will be educated to speak French fluently, and that it is illegal for you to resist this. We have democratically enacted these laws because we understand that it is necessary, for participation in our democracy, that every person be able to communicate with everyone else in the common tongue. In our place, that tongue is French.


42 posted on 01/31/2007 9:12:02 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: thinking

"Marrying" close relatives could be the problem....


43 posted on 01/31/2007 9:18:34 AM PST by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: US admirer
I am wondering why Muslims got offended - there is no single word about them or any other immigrant group?
44 posted on 01/31/2007 9:30:16 AM PST by alex
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To: Long Island Pete

Since when did culture equate with race?


45 posted on 01/31/2007 9:43:32 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Dallas59

At least the kids look like they eat healthy, unlike the parents.


46 posted on 01/31/2007 10:08:43 AM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Gritty

ROFL!


47 posted on 01/31/2007 10:11:05 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: thinking

Sounds to me as if that little burg is doing the opposite of Montreal, which evidently has gone to the PC dogs.


48 posted on 01/31/2007 10:11:56 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Long Island Pete

Seems that that bunch of Quebequers had more courage to say these things than any American!
They are right. However, if they had any sense, they would expel the people whose ideology allows them to stone, kill, burn alive.


49 posted on 01/31/2007 10:18:40 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Jihadism: destroy Western Civilization and replace it with sharia)
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To: thinking

Well, I suppose not too many of the citizens of that town will be hoving around the 14" Viking black and white to take in the CBC's newest abomination "Little Mosque on the Prairie", even though their tax dollars are being used to pay for this series - declared to be a "hit" by the CBC. A hit for the CBC is anything they can put on their air without people rushing CBC headquarters and burning it to the ground.


50 posted on 01/31/2007 11:04:06 AM PST by twonie (Just because there are fewer of us don't mean we are wrong.)
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