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NFL Prevents Church from having a Superbowl Party!
Fall Creek Baptist Church Website ^

Posted on 02/01/2007 7:38:48 AM PST by pctech

Fall Creek Baptist Church Family...

We regret to inform you that we have had to cancel our bash to view the Colts game this Sunday in a family friendly environment due to the fact that the NFL believes we would be in violation of the Copyright Act, because we had planned to show the game on a screen bigger than a 55 inch diagonal. We have appealed to their legal counsel and exhausted all options without success. We have been informed that the only exceptions to view the game are given to sports bars and restaurants. While we have argued that we only intend to provide a family oriented environment that will make no profit from the showing, the NFL claims that our event cannot proceed by law. Therefore, we have no choice but to challenge this in court or cancel the event. We choose to cancel the event. We deeply regret that we have been prohibited by the NFL from providing a family friendly environment for celebrating the Colts great season.

Pastor John


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
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there is an article in the IndyStar.com website, on the front page even, on this matter and it goes into more detail. Unfortunately, I cannot post the actual article here because IndyStar.com material cannot be posted due to infringement on copyright laws or some other crap law. If anyone wants to read it I can supply a link or just go to Indystar.com.

Check the posts to the article. Lots of upset people out there.

But what you folks think about this? I know my initial reaction is one of shock and anger but after thinking about it, this doesn't surprise me. I will say that they've lost a viewer and I'm going to send this article to others I know. Perhaps the word can get out and people can flood the NFL's offices with calls and emails demanding they change their stance.

PS - I wonder why this isn't on DrudgeReport??? Anyone know where I can email him to tell him about this?

1 posted on 02/01/2007 7:38:49 AM PST by pctech
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To: pctech

Use multiple smaller screens.........


2 posted on 02/01/2007 7:40:49 AM PST by Red Badger (Rachel Carson is responsible for more deaths than Adolf Hitler...............)
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To: pctech

So have it with a screen less than 55 inches.


3 posted on 02/01/2007 7:42:24 AM PST by Tribune7 (Conservatives hold bad behavior against their leaders. Dims don't.)
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To: pctech

Go to his website and he has a text box for sending tips.


4 posted on 02/01/2007 7:42:55 AM PST by rabidralph (Hoo-ray, Beer!)
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To: pctech

Scroll down on his screen and you will see his address to forward the lead.


5 posted on 02/01/2007 7:43:00 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: pctech

Celebrate in the "family-friendly" environment of your own home. That way you can avoid exposure to your fellow churchmembers' colds and flus, as well as not having to drive home with all the folks celebrating in a non-family-friendly way.


6 posted on 02/01/2007 7:45:21 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Hyperbolic rodomontade of the most puerile type." ~ Aaron Elkins)
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To: pctech

Personally, I would have told the NFL that I disagreed with their interpretation and that if they wanted the bad publicity of trying to sue a church over it, they were welcome to try.


7 posted on 02/01/2007 7:46:06 AM PST by VRWCmember (Everyone is entitled to my opinion.)
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To: pctech

The nature of the halftime shows and some of the commercials make this a showing unsuitable for youngsters. I always turn off the half-time show.


8 posted on 02/01/2007 7:46:28 AM PST by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: pctech

You left out a couple of key facts - like they were charging for the party and using some copyrighted material to promote it.

NFL PARTY RULES

For groups that want to host Super Bowl parties -- other than sports bars and businesses that normally show televised sports -- here are rules the NFL says must be followed:

• No admission fees (even to pay for snacks).

• Only one television (55 inches or smaller).

• No use of the words "Super Bowl" in promotional materials.

• No exhibition of the game in connection with events "that promote a message."

Source: NFL


The key word here is groups - if you invite twenty friends over to watch the game on your 72" flat panel the NFL isn't going to knock down your door and bust up your party.


9 posted on 02/01/2007 7:46:44 AM PST by Cable225 (I almost never post, and rarely reply - but I donate to FR. How about you?)
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To: pctech

How big would Janet Jackson's boob be on a larger than 55" screen?


10 posted on 02/01/2007 7:46:55 AM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: pctech
Sucks. I read elsewhere on FR that tail-gate parties are also being banned in a one mile radius around the field. Looks like the NFL is out to milk the event for every last dime they can.

Ironic... IndyStar doesn't allow article reposting out of IndyStar infringement concerns so we can't read an article about NFL infringement concerns!

11 posted on 02/01/2007 7:47:11 AM PST by GoldCountryRedneck ("Idiocy - Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large numbers" - despair.com)
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To: pctech

Copyright law defines the size at which the broadcast image can be exhibited...? That's obscene, as is most of the copyright law Congress has tailored for monied interests in the last few decades.


12 posted on 02/01/2007 7:47:46 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: pctech

A Freeper, TraderRob has this story on his blog, I bet others do as well.


13 posted on 02/01/2007 7:47:47 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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To: pctech

I think it's a blessing in disguise.

Our church tried this last year. They were ready for 100 and only 5 showed.

Everybody still laughs about it.


14 posted on 02/01/2007 7:47:50 AM PST by proudpapa (Forget Rudy McRomney it's Duncan Hunter in '08!)
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To: pctech

just use it and dont tell the NFL.(to steal someones holier than though thunder, let it be known, I am an evil sinner)


15 posted on 02/01/2007 7:47:54 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: pctech

Drudge@Drudgereport.com


16 posted on 02/01/2007 7:48:06 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: pctech
I own a tv....signals are broadcast in the open over publicly owned airwaves.

The courts have said that stuff leaking into the atmosphere, like IR radiation are not property. Your garbage on the curb is not property. Release a balloon into the atmosphere with money on it and it is abandoned.

I would go ahead and do whatever the heck I wanted with my own tv and the signals in the air. If the NFL wanted to sue me for turning on my tv and congregating....so be it.

They got this church to back down through threat of action....only by not backing down and forcing them to defend their actions in court can your right to turn on your own tv in your own place with whoever you want be defended.
17 posted on 02/01/2007 7:48:18 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: pctech

If they want to control what happens to their programming, they shouldn't broadcast it across private property.


18 posted on 02/01/2007 7:48:19 AM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: VRWCmember

Have you seen the rap sheets on your average NFL team roster? Somehow I don't think bad publicity is on the NFL's radar. Nor do I think any bad publicity would hurt their bottom line.


19 posted on 02/01/2007 7:49:02 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: pctech

NFL = GREED


20 posted on 02/01/2007 7:49:24 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Sloth

Though personally, I'm of the opinion that churches ought to spend their time and resources worshipping God. I know that sounds pretty crazy.


21 posted on 02/01/2007 7:50:31 AM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: pctech

This part also -

The league even took exception to the church's plan to influence nonmembers with a video highlighting the Christian testimonies of Colts coach Tony Dungy and Chicago Bears coach Lovie Smith.
"While this may be a noble message," NFL assistant counsel Rachel L. Margolies wrote in a follow-up e-mail, "we are consistent in refusing the use of our game broadcasts in connection with events that promote a message, no matter the content."

The NFL has a right to protect their product - this isn't an example of anti-Christian bias or anything else you want to imagine into it.


22 posted on 02/01/2007 7:50:55 AM PST by Cable225 (I almost never post, and rarely reply - but I donate to FR. How about you?)
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To: pctech

-- If anyone wants to read it I can supply a link or just go to Indystar.com. --

The link is on the page you linked to.


23 posted on 02/01/2007 7:51:24 AM PST by UpAllNight
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To: pctech
"This game is a licensed broadcast of the National Football League. Any description, reproduction, or rebraodcast of this game without the expressed written consent of the National Football League is prohibited."

They aren't just killing airtime.
24 posted on 02/01/2007 7:51:31 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: GoldCountryRedneck
I read elsewhere on FR that tail-gate parties are also being banned in a one mile radius around the field.

I don't really see this "tailgating ban" as such a big deal. It's not like a "normal" regular-season game for the Dolphins, with "normal" (?) regular-season fans...it would be kind of difficult to tailgate with all the corporate jets if they tried to do that in the stadium parking lots...

25 posted on 02/01/2007 7:51:38 AM PST by Ulysses ("Most of us go through life thinking we're Superman. Superman goes through life being Clark Kent!")
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To: atomicpossum

Copyright law defines the size at which the broadcast image can be exhibited...?



No, it doesn't.

And it is trademark law (dubious) that supposedly prevents anyone from using the phrase "Super Bowl" in any commercial communication.


26 posted on 02/01/2007 7:51:49 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: edcoil

Got it! I didn't see that before. Thanks for the heads up.


27 posted on 02/01/2007 7:53:13 AM PST by pctech
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To: pctech

NEVER ADVERTISE!


28 posted on 02/01/2007 7:53:57 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: pctech
we had planned to show the game on a screen bigger than a 55 inch diagonal

Dear Pastor John,

A little tape around the perimeter of your televison can reduce the size to 54.999 inches.

29 posted on 02/01/2007 7:54:08 AM PST by MosesKnows
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To: VRWCmember

I would have done the same thing (this situation is just another gestapo tactic of the NFL) but the church doesn't want to give the impression of being a law breaker so I can see why they cancelled it.


30 posted on 02/01/2007 7:54:53 AM PST by pctech
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To: pctech

I think the SUPER BOWL® is smaller than it could be because the NFL is getting bad marketing and legal advice.

The one that gets me is making every business that wants to do something related to the SUPER BOWL® use the code word "The Big Game" because they'll get sued if they don't purchase a license to use the copy. I take it nobody buys the license because I don't hear anybody talk about the SUPER BOWL® in commercial advertising. Took me years to understand the "code word." I say, NFL, lighten up. Let them yell SUPER BOWL® from the mountaintops. As long as they're not selling NFL franchised merch, who gives a flip. Just makes them look like nazis.


31 posted on 02/01/2007 7:55:05 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Tribune7

Prolly a megachurch.


32 posted on 02/01/2007 7:55:31 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Cable225
The league even took exception to the church's plan to influence nonmembers with a video highlighting the Christian testimonies of Colts coach Tony Dungy and Chicago Bears coach Lovie Smith.

I wasn't aware that the league held intellectual ownership of Tony and Lovie's religious views.
33 posted on 02/01/2007 7:55:43 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: pctech

The other day was a thread here about the NFL declaring a 1 mile radius around the stadium would be a No Tailgate Zone. Looking on Google Earth, there's neighborhoods surrounding the stadium. I'd like to know how they have the authority to ban what those people do in their own back yards, much less what the church watches on tv. And we thought Big Brother was merely the government.


34 posted on 02/01/2007 7:55:45 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: sittnick

I do too actually, they haven't had anything worth seeing during the half-time if my memory serves.


35 posted on 02/01/2007 7:55:53 AM PST by pctech
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To: Cable225

Those are 'NFL rules' (not 'copyright law' as previously stated)? How are those enforceable? What licensing agreement is an individual engaging in when they turn on a set to show a broadcast on the open airwaves? What legal premise gives the NFL power of enforcement and an ability to attach compulsory licensing to free broadcasts (other than the threat of legal intimidation through civil prosecution)? The church isn't engaged in reproduction of the materials (DVD, re-broadcast, or anything else).


36 posted on 02/01/2007 7:56:12 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Cable225

The were initially notified because they were advertising to come watch the Super Bowl and listing the admission fee. A big no-no. Also, they were advertising the testimonials of NFL players.


37 posted on 02/01/2007 7:56:14 AM PST by UpAllNight
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To: Cable225
The NFL has a right to protect their product - this isn't an example of anti-Christian bias or anything else you want to imagine into it.

If they want to control their product in this way then they need to stick to pay-per-view only or some other private distribution method. As someone said earlier, don't broadcast it over my property on public airwaves.

Their copyright prevents taping it, redistributing it, etc.....but to say that it prohibits who I can have in my own house watching my own television and limiting what we can talk about at the viewing is UNREASONABLE. If I want to have 50 people over to talk about politics and watch a publicly broadcast program on a 60" television.....all on private property.....I will.

Can the Democratic National Committee prohibit us watching their convention and talking about certain things during it just because they are "copyrighted" images? Give me a break.

Can the DNC get mad at a certain manufacturer who gave money to the other party and prohibit viewing on "Hitachi" televisions?

I think not. These are unreasonable extensions of the copyright.
38 posted on 02/01/2007 7:56:52 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: GoldCountryRedneck

Good point on both counts. I actually heard someone on a Chicago sports station that they had to set up a tailgate party 7 miles from the stadium! Go figure!


39 posted on 02/01/2007 7:57:22 AM PST by pctech
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To: Red Badger

I'm with you. Sometimes people just want to whine and blame someone else when there is a very easy solution. They want to make a political statement. They obviously knew the rule because they asked permission. I can understand why they have granted these rights to the sports bars and understand also why giving these rights to just anyone would hurt their business.


40 posted on 02/01/2007 7:58:03 AM PST by tiki
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Dear Pastor John,

Why is a church charging admission?

Why is a church having a Super Bowl party?

What do either one of those things have to do with studying the word of God and building up the Christian?

Your's Truly
Bryan24

Dear NFL,

Why are you $o paranoid about a church $howing the Super Bowl that would take legal action to $top them?

One of the TV network$ paid an exorbitant amount of money ju$t for the right$ to broadca$t it.

I ju$t don't under$stand what has gotten into the NFL managment. Are you $o con$umed with money that you are willing to take all the fun out of watching the $uper Bowl?

Your'$ truly,
Bryan24


41 posted on 02/01/2007 8:00:22 AM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right....)
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To: pctech

The commercials have been weak the last few years as well. AFAIC, I'm like totally over the SUPER BOWL®. It's pretty much last century to me.


42 posted on 02/01/2007 8:00:26 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: pctech

I am from Indy. I did hear that they cannot bill it as "Superbowl" party. Just call it. "Big game night" and show it however you wish.


43 posted on 02/01/2007 8:00:33 AM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: Sloth

seeker friendly/arminian approach to spreading the gospel


44 posted on 02/01/2007 8:00:37 AM PST by Augustinian monk
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To: tiki

Don't sports bars, restaurants, etc, have to pay for the rights to show games?........


45 posted on 02/01/2007 8:00:41 AM PST by Red Badger (Rachel Carson is responsible for more deaths than Adolf Hitler...............)
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To: ichabod1
I think the SUPER BOWL® is smaller than it could be because the NFL is getting bad marketing and legal advice.

They won't have to worry about screen size or unauthorized parties here. We can't be bothered to watch it.

46 posted on 02/01/2007 8:01:18 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: pctech

I don't understand why they even had to contact the NFL before hand. I never do, I just hit the on button on my clicker.


47 posted on 02/01/2007 8:03:39 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Sloth

Idolatry.


48 posted on 02/01/2007 8:04:38 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Hyperbolic rodomontade of the most puerile type." ~ Aaron Elkins)
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To: pctech

ROMANS 13:
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.
7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.


49 posted on 02/01/2007 8:05:01 AM PST by Red Badger (Rachel Carson is responsible for more deaths than Adolf Hitler...............)
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To: Bryan24
Dear Pastor John, Why is a church charging admission? Why is a church having a Super Bowl party? What do either one of those things have to do with studying the word of God and building up the Christian? Your's Truly Bryan24

Ever heard of the word 'fellowship'? Why did Jesus dine with a tax collector and hang out with sinners? Why did Jesus waste time by going to a wedding (not to mention changing the water into wine?) Why did he waste time with the little children?

50 posted on 02/01/2007 8:07:03 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat (An easy 10-team playoff based on the BCS bowls can be implemented by next year. See my homepage.)
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