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Whose Side Is Bush On?
Constitution Party ^ | 1/31/07 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 02/01/2007 6:44:05 PM PST by tfelice

There was someone in the gallery during President George W. Bush’s State of the Union speech that he would not dare publicly recognize. Even though he knew she was there, I’m confident he never even bothered to look up at Gallery 5, Row B, Seat 9, because sitting in that seat was Monica Ramos, the wife of imprisoned former Border Patrol agent Ignacio Ramos. She was the invited guest of Republican California Congressman Dana Rohrabacher.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderagents; borderpatrol; bush; bushbash; chuckbaldwin; constamatootionparty; constimatooshinparty; constitutionparty; coverup; guilty; hidingshells; immigration; johnnysutton; newsignups; obl; openborderslobby; seminardisruptors; stateoftheunion; wow
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1 posted on 02/01/2007 6:44:08 PM PST by tfelice
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To: tfelice
gee Im so excited ...the Constitution Party? Yipppeeee
2 posted on 02/01/2007 6:46:30 PM PST by woofie (Im insane and I vote)
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To: tfelice

Of course, ol chuckie only tells half of the story.


3 posted on 02/01/2007 6:47:29 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

Carefull, they will come for you...


4 posted on 02/01/2007 6:49:13 PM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: tfelice

How about we just post signs that say if you get caught bringing drugs in to the US we will shoot your ass? problem solved.


5 posted on 02/01/2007 6:52:35 PM PST by isthisnickcool (The only reason you are still conscious is because I don't want to carry you- J. Bauer)
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To: woofie

Here's another one.

gee Im so excited ...the Republican Party? Yipppeeee


6 posted on 02/01/2007 6:56:49 PM PST by Obie Wan
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To: woofie

Well the Dems and the Republican sure aren't doing the job. I can't see one American in the Congress and the White House is ?????

The US Constitution is not being defended and neither are the borders.


7 posted on 02/01/2007 6:58:02 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie
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To: misterrob

Hey, I'm all for the pardons, even though they obviously did some things wrong. And Bush said he would review it carefully. That is exactly how it should be. But it does no one any good to spin the story, like this guy does.


8 posted on 02/01/2007 6:58:08 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

They obviously did something wrong. What their jobs ???


9 posted on 02/01/2007 7:00:04 PM PST by Obie Wan
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To: Obie Wan

No. Filing a false report and trying to cover their tracks.


10 posted on 02/01/2007 7:01:55 PM PST by pissant
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To: tfelice
Whose side are these border patrol agents on?

Had they simply not attempted to cover this up they would be free and standing guard on the border today.
11 posted on 02/01/2007 7:04:32 PM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: pissant

And why did they have to file a false report? Was the incident caught on tape? I think they filed the report they did because of politics. You see it's the same reason the National Guard are posted on the border without weapons. The whole situation has zero to do with actually protecting the border, it's all about the smoke and mirrors bullshit that's been going on now for years. the only "right" border agent is the one who lets the Mexican shoot first,and most of them are dead !!!


12 posted on 02/01/2007 7:08:44 PM PST by Obie Wan
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To: Obie Wan

Well said!


13 posted on 02/01/2007 7:11:39 PM PST by oldvike
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To: Obie Wan

Well said!


14 posted on 02/01/2007 7:11:44 PM PST by oldvike
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To: Obie Wan

Much of what you say is true. That is why I support the pardon and think Bush will too.

BTW, the National Guard has weapons on the border.


15 posted on 02/01/2007 7:13:00 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

From what I've heard no bullets though,and I'm serious !!!


16 posted on 02/01/2007 7:15:39 PM PST by Obie Wan
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To: Obie Wan

Ya heard wrong. Nevertheless, the ROE are ridiculous so the may as well not.


17 posted on 02/01/2007 7:16:44 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

That's a five day suspension for violating company rules.


18 posted on 02/01/2007 7:18:33 PM PST by WTSand
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To: pissant

I cant find it in print but I heard a story recently on local (Albuquerque) radio about a significant drop in illegal alliens making it across the border in NM ...Cant remember the numbers but since the 80's there has been a huge increase in border guards etc.

no credit is ever given for the positive stuff happening regarding this issue


19 posted on 02/01/2007 7:19:05 PM PST by woofie (Im insane and I vote)
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To: obi-wan
"And why did they have to file a false report? Was the incident caught on tape? I think they filed the report they did because of politics. You see it's the same reason the National Guard are posted on the border without weapons. The whole situation has zero to do with actually protecting the border, it's all about the smoke and mirrors bullshit that's been going on now for years. the only "right" border agent is the one who lets the Mexican shoot first,and most of them are dead !!!

Exactly, and well stated!

20 posted on 02/01/2007 7:20:23 PM PST by Birdlady
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To: pissant
Filing a false report and trying to cover their tracks.

I have read several accounts that state a failure to file a report but not one that claims a "false report".

Where did you find that?

As for covering their tracks... several agents responded and their Supervisor was aware of what happened. Who were they attempting to hide it from?
21 posted on 02/01/2007 7:23:31 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Obie Wan

Despite its warts, the GOP remains head and shoulders above the Constitution Party.


22 posted on 02/01/2007 7:23:31 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Forgot your tagline? Click here to have it resent!)
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To: tfelice

23 posted on 02/01/2007 7:28:40 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

If your talking about electability your right. If your talking about conservative fundamentals,sorry we disagree. The GOP that I've supported in the past is a bad mirror image of the GOP that really stood for conservative values in the past. If the best and brightest the GOP can offer today are John McCain or Rudy Giuliani then I guess my views are closer to the Constitution Party then the GOP !!!


24 posted on 02/01/2007 7:32:49 PM PST by Obie Wan
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To: tfelice

"Whose Side Is Bush On?

The illegal alien invaders?

Just a guess.


25 posted on 02/01/2007 7:34:07 PM PST by baubau
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To: pissant
Filing a false report and trying to cover their tracks?

We're all overlooking something here. Why did they feel they had to cover up their actions? Since when are border agents not supposed to use their guns against drug dealers sneaking in this country to ruin our youth? Sounds like the Bush border policy is in a sorry mess.

These guys need to be sent on a national speaking tour to expose what is going on in Immigration. Maybe even Bush doesn't know how bad it is.

26 posted on 02/01/2007 7:34:27 PM PST by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: tfelice

I would suggest everybody on this thread who is speculating about the facts of this case take the time to read the large number of threads already posted on the subject, because there is a LOT of incorrect statements here, not about opinion but about the facts that are indisputable in the case.


27 posted on 02/01/2007 7:43:27 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Obie Wan

You don't file a false report period. That is the cowards way out. Even if you believe you will take political heat, you tell the truth.

When exactly did character cease to matter with conservatives?


28 posted on 02/01/2007 7:45:35 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: baubau; pissant; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1777780/posts


29 posted on 02/01/2007 7:47:49 PM PST by woofie (Im insane and I vote)
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To: pollyannaish

I not sure. Why don't you ask George Bush since he's been flushing our immigration laws down the toilet for years now !!!


30 posted on 02/01/2007 7:49:04 PM PST by Obie Wan
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To: pissant
The spinning has hurt the cause and this has turned into another Bush's fault rant.

Pathetic.

31 posted on 02/01/2007 7:51:04 PM PST by OldFriend (Swiftboating - Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth)
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To: Obie Wan
With all due respect, the President is not on trial here. These men went to trial and were convicted for not doing the right thing.

You can explore the pros and cons of pardoning these men, which is what the President is doing...but his character has nothing to do with the actions of the agents. They are responsible for their own deeds. Period. Bush didn't make them do it. The law didn't make them do it. THEY did it. A pardon simply acknowledges that they broke the law, but we're going to forgive them because of extenuating circumstances. It absolves them from consequences, not blame.

I constantly see folks posting about "not walking lock-step" and "thinking for ourselves" on this forum...and yet this entire episode is so rife with group-think and hysteria that it is, frankly, embarrassing.
32 posted on 02/01/2007 7:56:30 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: OldFriend

I have a feeling that blaming the President might just have been the goal all along. It was simply a convenient vehicle.


33 posted on 02/01/2007 7:58:30 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: OldFriend

No it's not pathetic,it's what's going on. We who post on Free Republic have got to always agree with George Bush and the Republicans or we're spinning.When we bring in a Mexican drug dealer to testify against two of our border agents some of us see something beyond the norm that's happening. There's two guy's doing 12 years in prison for doing their jobs and if my rant brings George Bush into the situation and some people here don't like it T.S. (tough situation) !!!


34 posted on 02/01/2007 8:00:10 PM PST by Obie Wan
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To: pollyannaish; OldFriend

for good news

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1777780/posts


35 posted on 02/01/2007 8:00:41 PM PST by woofie (Im insane and I vote)
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To: pissant

Why, if the charges of the jury being pressured, are these two agents pushing so hard for a pardon instead of an appeal?


36 posted on 02/01/2007 8:03:17 PM PST by neverhillorat (IF THE RATS WIN, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: woofie

There is no question in my mind that when it comes to illegal immigration and President Bush, no good deed goes unpunished.

It's actually hurting the cause. Thanks for the good news. :-)


37 posted on 02/01/2007 8:07:19 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: pollyannaish

His character has everything to do with it. GROW UP! When the President of the United States makes a political statement,be it some sellout amnesty program or calling a group of concerned citizens like the Minutemen a vigilante group there's a statement loud and clear being sent. Maybe You think the world of politics is a Norman Rockwell painting but I don't and I disagree that questioning this whole situation is hysteria.As for your embarrasment I could care less !!!


38 posted on 02/01/2007 8:09:27 PM PST by Obie Wan
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To: neverhillorat

They are pushing for both. As I would if I were in their shoes. These guys are guilty of breaking the rules. The prosecutor/judge are asswipes for going for such stern sentences.


39 posted on 02/01/2007 8:10:06 PM PST by pissant
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To: tfelice

The Constitution party is looking better and better, to me, every day.


40 posted on 02/01/2007 8:28:15 PM PST by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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To: Obie Wan
His character has everything to do with it. GROW UP! When the President of the United States makes a political statement,be it some sellout amnesty program or calling a group of concerned citizens like the Minutemen a vigilante group there's a statement loud and clear being sent. Maybe You think the world of politics is a Norman Rockwell painting but I don't and I disagree that questioning this whole situation is hysteria.As for your embarrasment I could care less !!!

And there you have it. A calm, rational, grown-up reply.

41 posted on 02/01/2007 8:28:17 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: pollyannaish

It' calm,it' rational,it's grown up and it's better then anything you've posted darling !!!


42 posted on 02/01/2007 8:30:16 PM PST by Obie Wan
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To: pissant
These guys are guilty of breaking the rules. The prosecutor/judge are asswipes for going for such stern sentences.

Good analysis. Can the sentences be reduced on appeal? I believe there should be no pardon until the appeals process is complete.

43 posted on 02/01/2007 8:30:50 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: Obie Wan

Thanks, dear. I like all the exclamation points.


44 posted on 02/01/2007 8:31:38 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: tfelice
Whose Side Is Bush On?

I've been asking that question since the Berger sentencing.

45 posted on 02/01/2007 8:32:31 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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"I`m an innocent man! The cops set me up! The witnesses lied! The persecutor hates me! The judge is sleeping with my mother-in-law! The jury was drunk! I did it to save my life! I didn`t get picked for any team at school! BLAH, BLAH, BLAH" We do have a rule, it`s Border Patrol agents can`t shoot anybody they want.
Also, it`s pretty da#m arrogant to say that the jury, after hearing all the evidence, was wrong. (Question: why did one BP agent only fire once and when and why did he shoot?)
46 posted on 02/01/2007 8:32:47 PM PST by neverhillorat (IF THE RATS WIN, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: neverhillorat

I agree with you,he should have fire a lot more !!!


47 posted on 02/01/2007 8:35:36 PM PST by Obie Wan
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To: tfelice

Constitution Party threads belong in the humor section.


48 posted on 02/01/2007 8:36:02 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: Obie Wan; pissant

When you defend them for filing a false report, you sound like a lib. They filed a false report and threw away evidence because they knew they had done wrong.


49 posted on 02/01/2007 8:38:36 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Wellllllllll you know us libs,we're usually taking the side of US Border Guards over Mexican drug dealers.It must be our upbringing.Viva Mehico,viva Mehican drug dealers !!!


50 posted on 02/01/2007 8:42:08 PM PST by Obie Wan
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