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Dakota Voice ^ | 1/29/2007 | Carrie K. Hutchens

Posted on 02/02/2007 3:49:53 AM PST by 8mmMauser

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Those who have not taken a position on what happened to Terri Schiavo can find some sense of direction in the positions Michael has taken in the political world.
1 posted on 02/02/2007 3:49:54 AM PST by 8mmMauser
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Ping to a thread about Michael Schiavo

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2 posted on 02/02/2007 3:50:58 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
The topic does not go away.

Let no one say America is a death-denying society. Our newspapers are full of articles reporting on battles over how we die. The Terri Schiavo controversy was not a blip of newsworthy gruesomeness on the pages of otherwise cheerful publications. Schiavo's story replicated others, on and off the front pages, that have been going on for more than 30 years. Death, once again, is changing in America, and we have been arguing about how to handle these changes since they began decades ago.

Euthanasia Confusion... Newspaper accounts of end-of-life debates too often muddle the issues.

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3 posted on 02/02/2007 3:54:47 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
March for Life

On Jan. 22, Washington, D.C., lent the national spotlight to 100,000 pro-life advocates in the 34th Annual March for Life. Present at the march and opening rally were 29 Boston College students, as well as the Rev. Tony Corcoran, S.J., a member of BC's Jesuit community.

The theme of the 2007 march was "Thou Shalt Protect the Equal Right to Life of Each Innocent Human in Existence at Fertilization - No Exception! No Compromise!" In keeping with the spirit of this message, Chris Rakovec, A&S '10, stated his reason for supporting the pro-life cause in Washington: "I went to give witness to the dignity of human life."

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Another goal of the SFLA is to facilitate communication among student groups on college campuses across the country that focus on current events affecting unborn children. Christine Friedrich, current president of the Pro-Life Club, an SFLA officer, and A&S '08, said that the conference is an issue-based forum. Among some of this year's featured speakers were Bobby Schindler, the brother of Terri Schiavo, Marie Larson, who discussed activism on college campuses, and Dr. Angela Lanfranchi, who talked about a possible link between breast cancer and abortion.

Students from Pro-Life Club participate in March for Life

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4 posted on 02/02/2007 3:59:21 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
The Shiavo mess was a disaster for the Republican party. A classic example of overreach to pander to the base while turning off the rest of the country.

As hard as it may be to accept, Michael Shiavo was her husband and had every right to make the decisions for Terri.

If I was in the same position, I probably would have deferred to the parents plea for their daughter, however other husbands will be thankful in the future that this debacle didn't eviscerate husbands rights.

5 posted on 02/02/2007 4:00:16 AM PST by zarf
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To: All
And from the left...

Al Gore has started a movement. No matter how you view it, at this moment Americans are approaching the tipping point in their desire to find ways to reduce greenhouse gases.

The knee-jerk reaction from the right wing is comical. It reeks of desperation. Once again, they claim to be our shield from international organizations, multi-lateralists, one-world government, humanists and secularists – their tired old masks to put a monkey wrench in Al Gore’s message.

I sense this movement is a runaway train, and the right will be left standing bewildered at the station. The reaction from a majority of Americans will be the same as when the right wing interfered in the Terry Schiavo case. Butt out! We can handle it.

Right Wing Panicked Over Gore

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6 posted on 02/02/2007 4:02:11 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: zarf
If you review what has happened in the nearly two years since that killing, you may find plenty of support for your take coming from the left, the far left, the loony left, and the communists.

The MSM will be in wholehearted agreement with you and will support your position with well exercised mantras. Take a look. A vast repository exists now on the pro's and the con's in the Terri Daily threads, facts, evidence. You may even wish to shift your position a bit if you do the reading. I hope so.

It wasn't much about husband's rights, but was very much about a successful killing that took fifteen years to achieve, putting O.J.'s feeble trial to shame.

7 posted on 02/02/2007 4:10:06 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: zarf

"HUSBANDS RIGHTS" - guess you're prodeath for infants too


8 posted on 02/02/2007 4:16:07 AM PST by aumrl
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To: All; TheSarce; Winged Hussar
Here is another thread from Winged Hussar on another topic of euthanasia, the topic of which is which this thread is really about. Thanks to TheSarce.

Michael Savage has an "ad" for organs, in which the listener is invited to buy the kidneys of a nineteen year-old woman who is to be executed for reading the U.S. Constitution's Bill of Rights. Bonus of the week: buy two kidneys, get a free spleen.

This is the same country that committed an act of war against the United States by holding an Air Force crew hostage in 2001, and that is brandishing its nuclear missiles at our West Coast. It is also the country that allegedly gave illegal campaign contributions to Bill Clinton and Albert Gore, so Gore should be a little more careful about screaming "He betrayed this country!"

Study: China's Army Harvesting Body Parts From Live Prisoners

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9 posted on 02/02/2007 4:17:38 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Ping to a wagglebee thread...

Honolulu, HI (LifeNews.com) -- The Hawaii state legislature is once again tackling the issue of assisted suicide and a state House committee will consider a bill soon that would make the state just the second to legalize the practice. Only Oregon has legalized assisted suicide and measures in several states, including Hawaii, have failed to add others to the list.

Hawaii House Committee Will Consider Bill to Allow Assisted Suicide

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10 posted on 02/02/2007 4:23:27 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

It is in the mail with Kerry's military record.


11 posted on 02/02/2007 4:27:21 AM PST by bmwcyle (If no one buys illegal drugs, we win the war on drugs)
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To: 8mmMauser

You are truly a one-trick pony.


12 posted on 02/02/2007 4:27:35 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: bmwcyle

Didn't Kerry serve in 'Nam?


13 posted on 02/02/2007 4:28:20 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

And he dined with POL POT at Christmas.


14 posted on 02/02/2007 4:32:22 AM PST by bmwcyle (If no one buys illegal drugs, we win the war on drugs)
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To: DCPatriot
You are truly a one-trick pony.

You are absolutely and unequivocally right! I am a real Reagan conservative. I see that as a good thing.

15 posted on 02/02/2007 4:33:15 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: bmwcyle

I knew it! And he went to POT a long time ago ;)


16 posted on 02/02/2007 4:35:36 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
do you suppose he might have gotten Terri Schiavo's wishes mixed-up as well? (He does claim to have a bad memory from what I read.)

As I've said before, I don't think Mikey was confused at all about what Terri's wishes were. The fact of the matter was that Terri's wishes didn't coincide with his desire to see her dead. We can speculate as to his motivations (and many of our visitors love to give him the benefit of the doubt), but we cannot ignore the simple truth that everything he did from the time of her accident onwards was designed to ensure that she NEVER GOT BETTER AND WOULD EVENTUALLY DIE.

17 posted on 02/02/2007 4:44:42 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: zarf; 8mmMauser
As hard as it may be to accept, Michael Shiavo was her husband and had every right to make the decisions for Terri.

Terri Schiavo won a malpractice lawsuit against the doctors and hospital that originally treated her. Her estranged husband (and when a man is living with another woman and having children with her, he is estranged from his wife regardless of her condition) was obligated under the settlement to use the money for her rehabilitation. He NEVER DID THIS, instead he spent the money on legal battles to kill her.

The strawman arguments that Michael Schaivo didn't really need to comply with his legal obligation to get medical treatment for his wife are not very different from the arguments we heard four years ago about how UN mandates against Saddam Hussein really didn't need to be enforced.

18 posted on 02/02/2007 4:55:07 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> do you suppose he might have gotten Terri Schiavo's wishes mixed-up as well?

Do you suppose Michael Schiavo will ever tell us what happened to Terri that fateful night in 1990? He has told several different, conflicting stories -- under oath -- and is also known to have lied to police investigators. Why? What is he hiding? Why is he so scared of the truth?

Michael's supporters are staking their own intellectual reputation on a proven liar.

19 posted on 02/02/2007 4:55:20 AM PST by T'wit (In the absence of market prices, all factors of production, including people, go to waste.)
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Michael's supporters are staking their own intellectual reputation on a proven liar.

That's what leftists have always done.

Marx - liar
Lenin - liar
Stalin - liar
Hitler - liar
Mao - liar
Ho Chi Minh - liar
Saddam - liar
Castro - liar
Clinton - liar
Michael - liar

And we could go on ad nauseum.

20 posted on 02/02/2007 5:00:01 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: T'wit

What was the most likely scenario for that fateful night? I am trying to recall the scene of that night, but do not have all the details at hand this moment.

I recall she was upset at his treatment, his obsession with her odometer and was in otherwise fine health until she was found on the floor.


21 posted on 02/02/2007 5:04:35 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: wagglebee

"Their father is the father of lies."


22 posted on 02/02/2007 5:05:26 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Then I'm sure they feel right at home when they meet him.


23 posted on 02/02/2007 5:09:10 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: 8mmMauser; T'wit
What was the most likely scenario for that fateful night?

I was thinking last week when the person in Sacramento died from water intoxication after the radio contest that Mikey would probably try to resurrect the "she drank several gallons of iced tea" nonsense.

24 posted on 02/02/2007 5:11:58 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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>> He NEVER DID THIS, instead he spent the money on legal battles to kill her.

That's precisely why civil rights attorney Wendy Murphy deemed him to be a "fraud on the court" in 1993. She called the Greer court's integrity into question for even listening to him later.

Only years later, at the autopsy, did some people learn people that the basis for the 1992 malpractice suits -- the doctors' supposed failure to diagnose bulimia -- was fraudulent too. The medical examiner ruled out bulimia as the cause of Terri's so-called collapse. You have to read the autopsy report because you won't hear it from the media. (This was not a mystery. Long before the autopsy, we ruled out bulimia here, too. It made no medical sense)

In other words, knowing that Terri had never suffered from bulimia, Michael sued innocent doctors for malpractice and collected a multi-million dollar settlement. I don't believe the MSM have ever reported this.

One other detail worth mentioning. Bulimia was Michael's only alibi. Now he has no alibi.

25 posted on 02/02/2007 5:14:18 AM PST by T'wit (In the absence of market prices, all factors of production, including people, go to waste.)
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To: wagglebee
>> Mikey would probably try to resurrect the "she drank several gallons of iced tea" nonsense.

It's very hard to drink too much iced tea when you're asleep. (Michael did confirm that she was asleep.)

26 posted on 02/02/2007 5:16:03 AM PST by T'wit (In the absence of market prices, all factors of production, including people, go to waste.)
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To: T'wit
One other detail worth mentioning. Bulimia was Michael's only alibi. Now he has no alibi.

He no longer needs an alibi, he's like OJ he got away with it and no longer needs to concern himself with consequences. Actually, he's even worse than OJ in one regard, Schiavo killed his wife while the entire world watched and many of them applauded him for it.

27 posted on 02/02/2007 5:21:00 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: zarf
>> Michael Shiavo was her husband and had every right to make the decisions for Terri.

Her husband was Michael Schiavo. It is best to know how to spell the protagonist's name when you discuss the case with more knowledgeable people.

You are mistaken about his rights in the matter, too. The guardian may not make medical decisions for his ward. Neither guardians nor judges are qualified or licensed to practice medicine. (There are certain exceptions if the guardian is a physician but they do not apply here.) Also note that a ward (Terri) is under state protection. The laws do not permit guardians to make decisions that would cause death or harm to the ward.

28 posted on 02/02/2007 5:27:25 AM PST by T'wit (In the absence of market prices, all factors of production, including people, go to waste.)
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>> He no longer needs an alibi,

So he may think. He sees himself, justly enough, as under the protection of the one-track media. But the media can be a fickle mistress. They can turn on you in an instant. He hasn't learned that part yet.

Meanwhile, he has no alibi in the court of history. That court is in session even now, and will be hearing the evidence centuries after his media shills and the rest of us are gone. (People do not forget great injustices.) In the court of history, Michael is literally damned forever. His only way out is repentance and confession.

That's his only way out before God, too, needless to say.

29 posted on 02/02/2007 5:37:18 AM PST by T'wit (In the absence of market prices, all factors of production, including people, go to waste.)
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To: T'wit
It is best to know how to spell the protagonist's name when you discuss the case with more knowledgeable people.

LMFAO!

30 posted on 02/02/2007 5:39:58 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: T'wit
His only way out is repentance and confession.

Highly unlikely, but not impossible.

31 posted on 02/02/2007 5:41:30 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: All; expatguy
Thanks, expatguy for this commentary which is appropriate for today with its irony. Here is an excerpt from that link...

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On 31 March 2005 at 9:05am Terri Schiavo died. Terri Schiavo, unable to feed herself was denied any food or water for fourteen days until she finally died of starvation and neglect. To no avail, Terri's parents and family had begged for her life to be spared as a macabre drama was played out in the court with the sole intent of dehumanizing her to the point where her murder by the State could therefore be justified.

But it must be noted that murder and death by misfortune are not synonymous, for just three months earlier the resources of an entire world were called upon to in an urgent attempt to counter nature's Malthusian checks in the form of the earthquakes, tsunamis and their after effects that had struck Southeast Asia and the Indian subcontinent.

The Crossing of the Rubicon... "Whoever saves one life, saves the world entire." - Hebrew Proverb

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32 posted on 02/02/2007 5:41:54 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: wagglebee
>> "she drank several gallons of iced tea"

I suppose that's what caused the compression fracture of her spine, the broken ribs, the bruised femur, trauma to her knees and ankles, and a pressure injury to her neck.

33 posted on 02/02/2007 5:42:15 AM PST by T'wit (In the absence of market prices, all factors of production, including people, go to waste.)
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To: T'wit
I suppose that's what caused the compression fracture of her spine, the broken ribs, the bruised femur, trauma to her knees and ankles, and a pressure injury to her neck.

There's a perfectly good fascist explanation for that -- her injuries were self-inflicted.

34 posted on 02/02/2007 5:44:47 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

That could well be all her fault in his eyes. Maybe he said, "See, look what you made me do."


35 posted on 02/02/2007 5:49:11 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

You know if they made Terri's story one of these "Lifetime Original Movies" and changed the names, the feminazis would be up in arms about what a monster Michael is.


36 posted on 02/02/2007 5:54:36 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: expatguy; 8mmMauser

Thanks for the fantastic commentary!!!


37 posted on 02/02/2007 6:00:13 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: T'wit
The laws do not permit guardians to make decisions that would cause death or harm to the ward.

I guess the courts disagreed with you.

38 posted on 02/02/2007 6:17:16 AM PST by zarf
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I guess the courts disagreed with you.

You mean a single judge who didn't follow the law and then had the audacity to ignore a Congressional subpoena?

I find it extremely ironic that FReepers who in all other areas seem to be aware of judicial activism/misconduct had no problem lining up behind Greer's utter disregard for the law.

39 posted on 02/02/2007 6:58:58 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: zarf
>> I guess the courts disagreed with you.

The case was based on privacy rights, not on the guardian's right to make decisions for his ward as you wrongly explained it.

40 posted on 02/02/2007 7:03:03 AM PST by T'wit (In the absence of market prices, all factors of production, including people, go to waste.)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> That could well be all her fault in his eyes. Maybe he said, "See, look what you made me do."

I don't think that's a "maybe." It is the classic self-justification of a sociopath. When Michael finally did succeed in "punishing" her, he put "I kept my promise" on her memorial.

41 posted on 02/02/2007 7:08:57 AM PST by T'wit (In the absence of market prices, all factors of production, including people, go to waste.)
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To: All
Memo to visitors: It is a new month and time to ask once more the most important question in the Terri Schiavo story. Namely, how did Terri, a young, healthy woman asleep in bed one Saturday night, suddenly end up on a hallway floor, face down, unconscious, unresponsive, in cardiopulmonary arrest, making gurgling noises, and suffering from numerous traumatic internal injuries -- how did she suffer those injuries right after Michael Schiavo came home late from work?

We have some facts and clues to consider.

1) Nobody else was present

2) The coroner ruled out the "bulimia" story that Michael had used as an alibi. Now he has no alibi.

3) Michael is known to have lied to the police who came to investigate, and has given different, inconsistent accounts of what happened.

4) The hospital could not find any natural cause for Terri's condition or injuries.

5) Terri suffered internal injuries that were comparable to being in a bad auto wreck -- except she wasn't in one.

6) Terri and Michael were known to have been fighting heatedly all that day.

7) Terri's blood tests showed at least two highly abnormal results associated with being assaulted.

8) Statistically, domestic violence, by husbands and boy friends, is the #1 cause of death and injury to young women.

Do we have any answers to this mystery?

42 posted on 02/02/2007 7:28:34 AM PST by T'wit (In the absence of market prices, all factors of production, including people, go to waste.)
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To: T'wit

And let's not forget the most important FACT:

Had Terri received rehabilitation as the court ordered, it is entirely possible that she would have recovered and been able to clear all of this up. Of course, if there was "foul play" involved, the perpetrator would not have wanted her to recover and may have even taken other steps (i.e. starvation and dehydration) to prevent her from ever recovering.


43 posted on 02/02/2007 7:46:49 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: T'wit
The case was based on privacy rights,

Well, there you go. The Shiavo case is over. OJ's case is over. Move on.

44 posted on 02/02/2007 7:54:32 AM PST by zarf
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To: 8mmMauser

Shooting a healthy person in the back of the head to harvest his or her organs (Chinese standard operating procedure) is not euthanasia.


45 posted on 02/02/2007 9:06:42 AM PST by Winged Hussar
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To: Winged Hussar; wagglebee; BykrBayb; bjs1779; T'wit
I see your point. It doesn't fit the definition very well unless the victims are considered unhealthy because of their beliefs.

(But I bet they are...).

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Euthanasia, Greek for "good death," refers to the termination of the life of a person suffering from a painful and incurable medical condition. Also known as "mercy killing," euthanasia is distinguished from suicide by the necessary participation of a third party, typically either a physician or family member.

But something can be said for the Chinese method.

It is a whole lot more merciful and painless than the usual killings here and abroad we call euthanasia, such as dehydration.

Here, for spare parts, we declare the "donors" "brain dead" and let the harvest begin.

46 posted on 02/02/2007 9:31:39 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: zarf
>> The Shiavo case is over.

S-c-h-i-a-v-o.

The Greer Court is what's over. The legal case is still open, the medical examiner's report is still open and the Court of History is just now convened, and is likely to investigate and discuss the case for hundreds of years. You may move on if you wish, or if you'd like to discuss the case, why don't you start by giving me a factual answer to my question in #42?

47 posted on 02/02/2007 9:35:39 AM PST by T'wit (In the absence of market prices, all factors of production, including people, go to waste.)
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To: T'wit

Still no answer? How could anyone support Mikey without having the answer to this simple question?


48 posted on 02/02/2007 11:43:08 AM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. )
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To: 8mmMauser
The march toward forced euthanasia continues unabated. The killing of Terri Schiavo Schindler escalated the decline of medical standards.

Act 169. Enacted by Senate (SB 628 ) Nov 19, 2006. Signed by Gov. Rendell the next day.

This allows for the killing of incapcitated individuals without their consent.

49 posted on 02/02/2007 12:06:59 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. )
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Terri Schiavo Blogs

50 posted on 02/02/2007 12:09:34 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. )
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