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Dakota Voice ^ | 1/29/2007 | Carrie K. Hutchens

Posted on 02/02/2007 3:49:53 AM PST by 8mmMauser

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“We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.”

51 posted on 02/02/2007 12:16:38 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. )
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To: BykrBayb
>> How could anyone support Mikey without having the answer to this simple question?

They only way they can support Michael is by ducking the question. I've asked the question scores of times but no one has ever ventured a serious answer, much less one that attempts to face all of the medical facts.

The silence tells its own story.

52 posted on 02/02/2007 2:14:28 PM PST by T'wit (In the absence of market prices, all factors of production, including people, go to waste.)
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To: T'wit
I've asked the question scores of times but no one has ever ventured a serious answer, much less one that attempts to face all of the medical facts.

I think it was "ice tea" t'wit, right about the time that Michael got home that night.

53 posted on 02/02/2007 5:37:53 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779
>> I think it was "ice tea" t'wit, right about the time that Michael got home that night.

I suppose if he pinned her down and made her drink two or three gallons of iced tea....... No. The theory doesn't work. That much tea would have made her as round and bouncy as a beach ball. When Michael goes to put her on her stomach, she bounces out the front door and they find her in the parking lot.

54 posted on 02/02/2007 6:29:07 PM PST by T'wit (In the absence of market prices, all factors of production, including people, go to waste.)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> What was the most likely scenario for that fateful night?

Well, the #1 cause of death and injury to young women is domestic violence. (Subcategory: The #1 cause of death for young pregnant women is murder.) We can rule out #2, automobile accidents. We can rule out diseases. We can rule out suicide or an accidental overdose. We can rule out burns. We can rule out work-related accidents. We can rule out poison and gas. We can rule out poisonous insects or snakes. We can rule out sharks. We can rule out space aliens with ray guns.

We can rule out bulimia, too, but it hardly seems necessary. Nobody even mentions bulimia in morbidity statistics.

She was home sleeping, for crying out loud. One minute she's healthy and asleep, then her husband comes home and THUD, she's on a hallway floor, practically dead.

55 posted on 02/02/2007 7:24:38 PM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Soulmates and brothers in the craft....

Plenty of sympathy for the poor killers, not much for the victims. Thread by wagglebee.

Lansing, MI (LifeNews.com) -- Much of the country may have forgotten about assisted suicide crusader Jack Kevorkian, but Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm insists she hasn't forgotten about him. Granholm's office said Thursday she is still weighing a request from Kevorkian's lawyer to release him from prison before his scheduled parole in June.

Kevorkian is 78 and reportedly suffers from a number of health ailments, including diabetes, hepatitis C, vertigo, high blood pressure and hardening of the arteries.

Jack Kevorkian Prison Release Still Under Governor's Consideration

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56 posted on 02/03/2007 3:23:38 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Clintonfatigued; wagglebee
Here is a thread by Clintonfatigued on the spread of the euthanasia crafts in Switzerland. Thanks, wagglebee

A ruling by Switzerland's highest court released Friday has opened up the possibility that people with serious mental illnesses could be helped by doctors to take their own lives.

Switzerland already allows physician-assisted suicide for terminally ill patients under certain circumstances. The Federal Tribunal's decision puts mental illnesses on the same level as physical ones.

Swiss may expand assisted suicide law (slippery slope alert)

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57 posted on 02/03/2007 3:29:59 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
This could have affected us personally. But anyone in that situation has to fight against a huge tide of negatives anyway. Thread by wagglebee.

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A leading pro-life group is worried that a bill intended to protect the disabled may leave out disabled unborn children who could become victims of abortion simply because of their disabilities.

On Wednesday, a Senate committee approved the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act (S. 358). The measure would prevent health insurance companies and employers from discriminating against people who test "positive" for a genetic disease.

Congressional Bill May Discriminate Against Disabled Unborn Babies

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58 posted on 02/03/2007 3:36:44 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Just to keep in perspective, especially for new visitors to the topic, who may wonder why we persevere, here is a powerful reminder. Scott Thomas was rescued from the executioner's axe and the same machine that killed Terri Schiavo and countless others who remained under the radar.

Visitors can read the story on their website and those of us familiar with his plight can see new pictures of Scott as he recovers from the attempted doom. The antidote to evil attempts is apparent in the love from his family.

Scott's News

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59 posted on 02/03/2007 3:48:48 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Kevorkian is 78 and reportedly suffers from a number of health ailments, including diabetes, hepatitis C, vertigo, high blood pressure and hardening of the arteries.

What he's really suffering from is a missing soul. I pray he finds it soon. His maladies won't give him many years.

60 posted on 02/03/2007 5:29:25 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: BykrBayb
The liberals, power worshippers all, say empty words about "speaking truth to power." Here are three young, educated, Christian Germans who spoke truth to Hitler and the Nazi regime at the height of its power. They paid for it with their lives. This is the ultimate heroism. We honor it.


61 posted on 02/03/2007 5:38:19 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: 8mmMauser
Canada, under the new conservative PM, Stephen Harper, seems to be eager to help its disabled citizens instead of killing them. Here are Mr. Harper and two patients with spinal injuries. If Judge Greer had had any human decency, Terri Schiavo -- who suffered a broken back at the hands of a mysterious assailant on 2/25/90 -- might have been treated for her injuries.


62 posted on 02/03/2007 6:18:08 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: BykrBayb
>> Still no answer? How could anyone support Mikey without having the answer to this simple question?

I remember when that aging matron stopped by and called us "[censored] nuts." (Even matrons use very bad words at times.) You can't say anything is "nuts" unless you know that reality is different. So what is this reality? I ask and ask, I asked her, I ask her whole clique, and none of them, including the aging matron, can give me one fact. None will give us a theory based on facts. Nothing. Silence.

They are the ones who can't face reality.

63 posted on 02/03/2007 6:39:50 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: T'wit
I suppose if he pinned her down and made her drink two or three gallons of iced tea....... No. The theory doesn't work.

The medical examiner mentioned iced tea as a possibility, didn't he? That always made me wonder why he did not mention domestic violence as a possibility. A far more likely possibility by the way.

It seems, as far as this medical examiner goes, hearsay talk about iced tea consumption takes precedence over broken bones in an ex-ray report.

65 posted on 02/03/2007 4:41:23 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779
>> The medical examiner mentioned iced tea as a possibility, didn't he?

Mmm, not as a possible cause of her "collapse," but merely in a discussion of potential sources of her one low blood potassium level. I don't recall that he gave it any credence at all.

Actually, it was Michael who dredged up Terri's alleged iced tea drinking. He was desperate to blame Terri for ending up on the floor nearly dead.

66 posted on 02/03/2007 5:51:51 PM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
A problem with living wills...

We found that getting copies of living will forms was easy, but getting someone to explain the effect of these forms to us has been quite another story. We called local hospital staff without success. Our lawyer told us that he knew very little about these matters and referred us to our physician, who has been too busy to talk to us at length.

Since my husband is scheduled for major surgery soon, we want to know if you have information that you could send us.

ANSWER: Public interest in "right to die" issues was heightened in 1990 after the United States Supreme Court decision in the Nancy Cruzan case affirmed the right of an individual to make end-of-life decisions in advance of the event through “advance directives.” But rather than setting a national standard, the Court gave flexibility to the states to establish the parameters within which appointed agents are able to make these decisions on behalf of a patient who is unable to express his or her wishes.

Then, prior to her death in 2005, Terri Schiavo captured our attention. Simply put, the health care decision-making process — of which end-of-life planning is a part — involves a number of complex issues that can affect not only the patient but also family members, who are oftentimes unaware that a problem even exists until there are few, if any, options available.

Next Steps: End-of-life planning

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67 posted on 02/04/2007 2:55:57 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee; Lesforlife
More info on Tiller the Killer from wagglebee...

trail of campaign contributions has been documented by the pro-life group Operation Rescue that appears to connect the Wichita late-term abortionist who was accused of criminal charges, the district attorney who sought to have those charges dropped, and the judge who made that decision. Additional documentation appears to show the abortion doctor's campaigning may even have helped the newly elected state Attorney General Paul Morrison.

The other players in the long-running issue include abortionist George Tiller, and Judge Paul Clark, according to the documentation assembled by Operation Rescue.

"It is obvious from the documentation that the people involved with dismissing or not pursuing the Tiller criminal case all have political ties of some kind," Troy Newman, Operation Rescue president, said. "There is a clear appearance of impropriety here that should be investigated.

'Money trail connects Tiller case players'

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68 posted on 02/04/2007 3:00:27 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; narses; NYer
Would be nice to have a tough "Texas Ranger" on our side. Maybe we do. Thread by NYer. Thanks, narses.

WASHINGTON, February 2, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) – “Instead of killing we say aborting; instead of dissect we say research.” Those words were published last January 22, the 36th anniversary of Roe v. Wade by none other than martial arts legend and action film star Chuck Norris.

Chuck Norris is a Hollywood film star famous for his martial arts films beginning in 1973 with “Return of the Dragon” with Bruce Lee, and especially for his role as Walker in the 1993-2001 hit television series “Walker, Texas Ranger.” Now, the renowned martial arts champion takes on the culture of death as a recommitted Christian in a column at WorldNetDaily.com entitled “The aftermath of legalized abortion.”

Martial Arts and Film Legend Chuck Norris Now Fights Abortion

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69 posted on 02/04/2007 3:10:55 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Jim Robinson; T'wit; floriduh voter; BykrBayb; bjs1779; wagglebee
Ping to a Jim Robinson thread on the Republican platform vis a vis Pro Life et al.

I've long assumed that the Republican Party platform included pro-life, pro-family and pro 1st and 2nd amendment planks. Is this true or false? Or is the platform amended each election cycle to conform to the positions of the top polling potential presidential nominee (ie, the one with the most money or star billing and the MSM eye)?

Vanity: Questions regarding the Republican Platform, is it pro-life, pro-family?

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70 posted on 02/04/2007 4:23:43 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Next Steps: End-of-life planning

Notice that the very first of the three important questions you must answer while you have your wits is, do you want to be dehydrated and starved to death? YOU, being of sound mind, would never take that option; so this clause is really about the intentions of lawyers, agents, hospitals... everybody else. Transparently, this is their bump-off-your-grandmother clause. Dehydration is the legal loophole in laws against euthanasia and assisted suicide. The right-to-die movement is writing a murder-by-dehydration clause into all the state laws.

In the name of dignity and mercy, they will inflict hideous, merciless deaths on the helpless. A new holocaust has been launched.

71 posted on 02/04/2007 5:13:28 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Michael Mobley...

His father took him to China to find help for this young man in similar condition to Terri. They got him stem cell treatment, although the story does not make clear this is not the liberal's choice, embryonic stem cell.

Michael was 14 when he drowned and was resuscitated after becoming intoxicated at a beach party with other teens. His brain had been starved of oxygen from anywhere between 10 and 30 minutes, which caused extensive brain damage.

Since that day in June 2005, he has been in a persistent vegetative state, much like Terry Schiavo was, his father said.

That's what led him to look into stem cell therapy, which he learned about online through a support group for parents of brain-injured children.

Father, son undertake journey for therapy

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72 posted on 02/05/2007 2:45:21 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
From Blogger News Network...

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This post was written by Dan England on 4 February, 2007 (14:55) | All News, European News, Religious News

In my blog, Getting Elected Blogline, I posted many times on the non-voluntary euthanasia of Terri Schindler Schiavo by the withholding of food and water. In one post, Is The Camel’s Nose in The Tent?, I commented on the slippery slope of first physician-assisted suicide, next voluntary euthanasia and then non-voluntary euthanasia, as in Terri’s case. (You can read about Terri in the blog titled Blogs for Terri.)

Now, the slope, if possible, has become even slipper and has turned, in a horrendous direction - physician-assisted suicide for mentally ill patients.

A Swiss Federal Tribunal court decision added mental illnesses as another reason for physician-assisted suicide, with “safeguards”. The assumption is that the decision for physician-assisted suicide is voluntary.

The court said: “It must be recognized that an incurable, permanent, serious mental disorder can cause similar suffering as a physical (disorder), making life appear unbearable to the patient in the long term.”

Physician-Assisted Suicide for the Mentally Ill in Switzerland

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73 posted on 02/05/2007 2:49:54 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Like Schiavo, he has a feeding tube because he can swallow nothing, even his own saliva. He can feel all of his extremities but moves none of them voluntarily.

>> Michael's eyes do not track movements or colors and, when his father plays music Michael downloaded before the accident, the boy has no response.

Poor kid is in a lot worse shape than Terri. But for purposes of the experiment, that's good. If Michael Mobley can regain some function with umbilical cord stem cells, it will be happy news indeed.

Meanwhile, I wish reporters could get a few facts straight. Terri could track (within her limited vision) and could swallow her own saliva. She also liked to listen to favorite music (and reacted aversely to music she didn't like).

74 posted on 02/05/2007 4:48:24 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> “It must be recognized that an incurable, permanent, serious mental disorder can cause similar suffering as a physical (disorder), making life appear unbearable to the patient in the long term.”

It must be recognized that lawyers cause more suffering than mental diseases ever did.

75 posted on 02/05/2007 4:51:40 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Physician-Assisted Suicide for the Mentally Ill in Switzerland

So that's where all the Nazi doctors fled to after the war -- across the Swiss border.

76 posted on 02/05/2007 4:53:28 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: T'wit; 8mmMauser
Dehydration is the legal loophole in laws against euthanasia and assisted suicide. The right-to-die movement is writing a murder-by-dehydration clause into all the state laws.

And the reason behind this is very simple. The culture of death knows how disgusted moral people became when they learned how Terri was being slowly murdered. Their hope is that we will eventually throw up our hands and say, "this is inhumane, it is better to just kill these people than to starve adn dehydrate them to death, let's just legalize euthanasia."

And this is what we have to watch against, because this is the normal response of many people. I think they have sought to make the alternative seem so macabre that people will start begging for euthanasia.

77 posted on 02/05/2007 5:20:02 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Excellent observation. Next surely WILL be, "an injection is so much more merciful......."


78 posted on 02/05/2007 5:31:18 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: T'wit

That is what they are hoping for because they know that that is the normal reaction. It was my first thought until I realized that they wanted us to think this.


79 posted on 02/05/2007 5:34:14 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
Meanwhile, they found the loophole in the laws against assisted suicide and euthanasia, and are pouring through it like an armored division exploiting a gap in enemy lines. All you have to do is make a feeding tube "medical care" and the unconscious patient can then "refuse" it -- with a little bit of helpful lying by lawyers and heirs. Suicide may be illegal and assisted suicide assuredly is illegal -- everywhere but Oregon. But the patient has liberty rights under the penumbra of emanations of Griswold to refuse liquid and food via his feeding tube.

Your agents, lawyers and doctors all stand ready to help put you down by dehydration / starvation. It takes only two weeks or so of hideous torture. Sign up today. We have the forms right here.

Death with dignity, huh?

80 posted on 02/05/2007 6:13:18 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Hysteria continues over the latest liberal New Age religion, Global Warming.

Global warming certainly is a religion to liberals. They have SO many religions, all of them 100% intolerant of any other view. Liberals never went to Sunday School or church when they were small, so they have no feel at all for religious observance. All they can do is feel deeply, emote, and set the hounds to howling by being so batty.

81 posted on 02/05/2007 6:23:23 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: T'wit; 8mmMauser

Rush's monologue on global warming from Friday was one of his very best ever, regardless of subject.


82 posted on 02/05/2007 6:28:36 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: 8mmMauser
Investigating some of these links, with interest...

This looks like a fertile reading list

83 posted on 02/05/2007 6:29:54 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: wagglebee

Missed it, but he speaks well on the subject. Catch Dr. Art Robinson if you can, there's a scientist who knows his stuff.


84 posted on 02/05/2007 6:31:15 AM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: zarf
As hard as it may be to accept, Michael Shiavo was her husband and had every right to make the decisions for Terri.

If I was in the same position, I probably would have deferred to the parents plea for their daughter, however other husbands will be thankful in the future that this debacle didn't eviscerate husbands rights.

No.

85 posted on 02/05/2007 6:46:53 AM PST by gogeo
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To: T'wit; wagglebee; All
Thanks for the links. Here is one of those links...

I have followed Terri Schiavo’s situation for several years. I have delved into many aspects of her life as a woman with disabilities. I have been bewildered by a single question since Terri’s death. Why did some disability advocates abandon Terri? I have heard them say it is a right-to-die issue, it is an end-of-life issue, or it is a private matter between family members. I am the mother of a ten-year-old boy with profound mental retardation, quadriplegic cerebral palsy, and epilepsy. If Terri Schiavo is not a member of the community of people with disabilities, then neither is my son. Reading articles and editorials written by otherwise respected disability advocates that snub Terri and turn their backs on her first scares me, and then infuriates me. Terri Schiavo was a woman living with disabilities deserving of all of the same rights and legal protections as any other person with a disability. Terri Schiavo’s starvation is a disability rights issue.

The most tenacious encounters that I have had over Terri are with those on disability rights list serves and forums. The more vicious attacks on Terri are also coming from the group of people that should be standing in support and respect of Terri as a woman living with disabilities. Disability rights activists are taking the opportunity to use Terri to bash Republicans and scorn President Bush. Their anger at Conservatives blinds them to their own hypocrisy.

I have wondered why disability advocacy groups and individuals who would otherwise support and advocate on behalf of people with disabilities would not embrace her into our community. Is it that some less disabled people find it difficult to relate to those with profound or severe cognitive impairments? Are people that have disabilities limited to their physical realm afraid to have that close association with a person that has profound mental retardation or severe brain damage? Are parents of children with disabilities that are less cognitively impaired prejudiced against us parents who have children with profound mental retardation and severe brain damage? Is it that you might offend your political ideologues? What is it about disability advocates that they so vehemently want to exclude Terri Schiavo from being called one of us? What are you afraid of?

Where Can You Get a Good Disability Advocate?... A Response to Wendy Brower’s “People Being Duped”... by Katheryn J. Ware, RN

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86 posted on 02/05/2007 8:58:39 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee; T'wit; rightwingintelligentsia
How about this one???

Pennsylvania has new blueprint for a better death

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87 posted on 02/05/2007 12:34:07 PM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: T'wit
Advisory Group Split On Futile-Care Debate

HOUSTON -- A group charged with proposing changes to the state's futile-care law is at an impasse over the amount of time a family should have to transfer a patient if the hospital decides to end life-sustaining treatment.

Group chairman Greg Hooser said in a new report that he hopes members will find a compromise extending the transfer window, which is now set at 10 days. But the group members will have to work around their fundamental disagreement over whether doctors should even be allowed to withhold treatment.

"What we have is a collision of deeply held values, deeply felt emotions and medical science," said Hooser, a lobbyist and attorney with Sneed, Vine & Perry. "Both sides are finding it difficult to surrender their positions."

The coalition, which is made up of doctors, hospitals, right-to-life groups and disability activists, was formed a year ago by the state House Committee on Public Health to investigate reforming the futile-care law.

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Hooser said the group will continue meeting and he hopes it will reach a consensus that could be introduced to lawmakers during the ongoing legislative session.

But Dr. Robert Fine, a representative of the Texas Medical Association and supporter of the law, said Texas Right-to-Life has refused to compromise and has insisted that the law require hospitals to continue treatment until an alternative facility can be found.

Elizabeth Graham, director of Texas Right-to-Life, countered that the medical association has also refused to compromise.

"The missing consensus stems from underlying philosophical differences regarding patient rights, quality of life judgments and medical treatment," Graham said. "Bridging these chasms in a short time period will prove quite challenging, especially since the coalition has been trying to reach some type of substantial consensus for over a year."

Hooser's report included other changes the group could propose, including requirements that hospitals do more to assist families during the transfer process and the establishment of a voluntary state registry to store advance directives.

I don't see what's so difficult about solving the crisis in Texas. Just stop allowing the doctors to redefine what futile care means. I understand that it's futile to give kidney dialysis to a patient who doesn't need it, but some of these doctors are deciding to refuse kidney dialysis based on their perception of who deserves it instead of who needs it.

Remember Venlang Vo? She was receiving kidney dialysis. Her doctor decided that she was in a persistent vegetative state, and therefor did not deserve kidney dialysis. Her family disputed the PVS assessment, but even if she was, she had previously made her wishes (to continue treatment) known. Last I read, they were still battling over whether or not she deserved to live. I never learned what the conclusion was.

So now we have a committee attempting to decide how to solve the crisis of Texas doctors and ethics committess condemning patients to death based on the perceived futility of their lives. They claim it's the futility of their treatment, but are Texans stupid enough to demand kidney dialysis to treat brain damage? No. These are cases where the treatment is doing exactly what it's designed to do, on patients that the doctors have decided are futile. And the committee is tasked with getting everyone to compromise on a time frame for exterminating the futile patients. Maybe the good doctors will be kind enough to grant more than ten days.

88 posted on 02/05/2007 3:29:24 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. )
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To: T'wit
It must be recognized that lawyers cause more suffering than mental diseases ever did.

So what can we do? Kill everyone who has a lawyer?

89 posted on 02/05/2007 3:31:46 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. )
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To: BykrBayb
>> I never learned what the conclusion was.

As I recall, Mrs. Vo hung on for a time and died at home. In that sense, she was like Andrea Clark, who also got to leave on a reasonable basis -- instead of under a death threat by the hospital's withdrawal of care. She died with dignity with her family and was able to express her gratitude for that kindness. I believe the same was so for Mrs. Vo.

90 posted on 02/05/2007 4:03:02 PM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: BykrBayb
>> Kill everyone who has a lawyer?

It should suffice to make lawyers work for minimum wage. NO contingency fees or otherwise taking a piece of settlements.

I think the lawyers got $800,000 initially out of Michael's latter two phony malpractice suits. Do you suppose they would have pursued the swindle unless they got 40%? Imagine if the sharks made, oh, $5.50 an hour, Terri would probably be taking bike rides in the park today.

They got another $400,000 or so out of the same settlement money later by killing her. Now we're up to 60% of the settlement devoured by lawyers. Michael got his loss of consort award -- what was the net, $300,000? 75% of the settlement gone. I don't even want to think what part the IRS got.

The jury awarded the money to take care of Terri, and as far as possible, to give her the therapies she needed. Instead, Michael and the lawyers killed her and kept the money.

I presume this is what the whole so-called "right to die" movement is really about -- killing for profit.

91 posted on 02/05/2007 4:16:33 PM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: BykrBayb
>> Instead, Michael and the lawyers killed her and kept the money.

Which is why, I might have added, that former prosecutor Wendy Murphy called Michael a "fraud on the court." Frankly, I think all of the lawyers who undertook the malpractice lawsuits were frauds on the court. One of them MADE UP the "malpractice," shown (much later) to be nonsense by Terri's autopsy. In the later litigation Felos, Bushnell et al. twisted or concealed the truth over and over in order to kill an innocent woman. They took huge fees from Terri's own trust fund (!) to put her to death. But then, why was the court ever involved, after Michael had shown himself to be a fraud back in 1993?

The whole think stunk more than a hog farm.

92 posted on 02/05/2007 5:21:53 PM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: zarf
OH my gosh. You surely do not know the circumstances of Terri's so called 'accident' or you would never have said " as hard as it may be to accept...."

It is not only HARD to accept the state sanctioned murder of Terri, done in a GRUESOME WAY (death row inmates get a more merciful death than 13 days of being denied water and food), but it is WRONG to accept it, EVER.

Schiavo is a MONSTER.

93 posted on 02/05/2007 5:24:04 PM PST by Republic (Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity & Mark Levin have a genuine passion for our nation!)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> How about this one???

After that, I'd certainly never live in Pennsylvania. I hate even to pass through a place like that. You never know when you'll fall ill. If you have more than a buck and a quarter in your pocket, you'll be bioethicked.

94 posted on 02/05/2007 5:26:56 PM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: 8mmMauser
Great to see Msgr. Malanowski giving his blessing to Scott and Scott's family, and to this meeting with the Schindlers. Both families have suffered much from evil, but both come away with a life richer and deeper for all they have been through. By faith they have conquered.


95 posted on 02/05/2007 5:46:28 PM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: BykrBayb
Chris Barnes

>> "On April 21, 2005 my husband Chris Barnes suffered a cardiac arrest after jogging. No cause for the heart failure was ever established. Chris was 32 years old at the time of his injury, an athlete, 100% healthy. Chris was resuscitated twice with the defibrillator but as a consequence he suffered an anoxic brain injury due to the lack of oxygen to his brain. This blog is a daily account of his progress since the accident."

Chris has made little progress, apparently, and his wife, Koo Cho, is understandably discouraged. Send her a prayer.

These are names of "other brain injury site" linked on this page (but these are only the names, not links). We should take a look at these. There are many stories here.

Abby Vara
Anoxia Survivors
Aubrey Robbins
Candice Bendek
Chad Kunis
Charbel Rouhana
Dani Dixon
Debbie Rich
George Melendez
Kathleen Davey
Laura Laughlin
Lisa Wintory
Madison Randolph
Michael Mobley
Neuro-regeneration, Repair and Functional Recovery
Ross Dillon
Sam Howell
Sarah Scantlin
Tori Schmanski
Tyler Archibald

96 posted on 02/05/2007 6:08:32 PM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: BykrBayb; 8mmMauser; bjs1779; wagglebee; Republic; Dante3
Supporting Life, by Amy Green

This college student's essay (some months ago) about Terri, and other brain-injured patients, is informed and well reasoned. It is really a pleasure to see students like this offering an uplifting, morally responsible view -- especially in contrast to the debased posturing we've heard so often from purported grown-ups.

And note this remarkable reference:

>> "In 2002, a 31-year-old comatose stroke victim, Mark Ragucci, managed an almost complete recovery through intensive and innovative methods of therapy, procured through the efforts of his devoted wife. His doctor, Stephan A. Mayer, director of neurointensive care at Columbia University's medical center, had previously called the situation hopeless. Ragucci reports that, while in a vegetative state, he was at least semi-aware, and was distressed to hear his caregivers referring to him in the past tense. His own opinion of his quality of life during his coma, therefore, differed significantly from what medical experts assumed. "

This needs exploring.

97 posted on 02/05/2007 6:48:07 PM PST by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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The topic does not go away.

You can say that again...

98 posted on 02/05/2007 6:54:49 PM PST by The Coopster
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To: T'wit
You've been a busy little bee. Now you know, when you send me to a link, I end up following it to several other links. I can't keep up tonight.

From your previous link about Chris Barnes, I found an encouraging entry. Chris eating and feeding. Patients are routinely made dependent on feeding tubes, only to have those feeding tubes suddenly removed, causing death. Chris' wife is doing what she can to break his dependence on the feeding tube.

99 posted on 02/05/2007 6:56:16 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. )
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To: The Coopster

Thanks for showing up. Do you know of a way to make the topic go away? We do what we can to stop the killings, but every day there are more. If you have any ideas on how we can make this topic go away, please share.


100 posted on 02/05/2007 6:59:42 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. )
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