Posted on 02/02/2007 7:22:49 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Muslims "seem to be about to take over Europe,” which has "given up” efforts to maintain its culture, said world-renowned Middle Eastern and Islamic scholar Bernard Lewis.
Lewis, a professor of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton, told the Jerusalem Post that soon the only important question regarding Europe’s future would be, "Will it be an Islamized Europe or Europeanized Islam?"
Lewis, whose many books include the recent "What Went Wrong?: The Clash Between Islam and Modernity in the Middle East,” said the Islamic takeover of Europe would be assisted by "immigration and democracy." Instead of fighting the threat, he added, Europeans had given up.
"Europeans are losing their own loyalties and their own self-confidence," he said. "They have no respect for their own culture." Europeans had "surrendered" on every issue with regard to Islam in a mood of "self-abasement, political correctness and multi-culturalism.”
Turning to the threat of a nuclear-armed Iran, Lewis said the Cold War philosophy of Mutual Assured Destruction, which prevented the former Soviet Union and the United States from using nuclear weapons, would not apply to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's regime. "For him, Mutual Assured Destruction is not a deterrent, it is an inducement. If [Iran's ruling ayatollahs] kill large numbers of their own people, they are doing them a favor. They are giving them a quick, free pass to heaven. I find all that very alarming.”
Lewis said Israel and the West should work to strengthen moderate forces within Iran via an aggressive propaganda campaign.
"All the evidence is that the regime is extremely unpopular with their own people," he told the Post. "I am told that the Israeli daily [radio] program in Persian is widely listened to all over Iran with rapt attention."
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The results of the 60's anti-establishment culture coming home to roost.
WE ARE NEXT AND WE SEEM FOR THE MOST PART TO BE AS BLIND AS EUROPE...(caps off)
Bernard Lewis joins Mark Stein. Lewis is, I think, the #1 Western scholar on Islam, followed by Daniel Pipes.
Looking pretty bleak over there. If you want a nice European Vacation, do it soon. They're destined to become an Islamic backwater, as they absorb the mores of the (current and post-)Middle Eastern Muslims.
They reap what they sow.
and then europe will rapidly plunge into islamic third world order.
with all enslaved to the satanic allah, all equally sharing poverty, illiteracy, crime and dirt.
of course, we have to include, allah providing, allah akber, and........ its the joos fault
One could almost speculate that Muslims are the clay in the toes of the Statue from King Nebuchadnezzar's dream.
As any rational person would. But if Ahmedinejad has to kill 100 million muslims in order to destroy Israel, it's no problem for him. There are a billion more where they came from! And this is exactly why the Iranians must be stopped!
If the final chapter does not start today, then fight ALL of europe, Russia, the ME, Africa... etc etc
We are now at a very critical point and the thugs are arising.
You do realize that we have almost as many Muslims as France does now?
And I haven't seen any decline in the number coming in, either.
If anything, I've seen the rats spread in the past 5 years.
Gee.
Who does that sound like?
Gog and Magog...
Good, we can finally blow up Europe now.
It will be a muslim, euro-weenie roast.
I know dem dere muslims blow up real good, might as well try er' out on the Euro's.
Well, it has taken place already, at least the Pieta attacked with a sledgehammer. It was several years ago, but I remember it clearly. That was a Christian loony, not a Muslim loony.
http://www.newsoftheodd.com/article1024.html
Although Robert Spencer can give B. Lewis a good run for the money. Mr. Spencer is America's version of Bernard Lewis. BTW, both Robert Spencer and Daniel Pipes are friends and have excellent websites.
And one day, that clay will one day brake.
I remember that too. In fact the thing has been accorded all sorts of high tech security now... I don't know if it is impervious to explosions, though.
I'm not so sure that the Islamification of Europe will happen though it is a dreadful thought.The right seems to be gaining momentum in both France and Germany so there is now a strong anti-immigration sentiment but just as in the U. S. the political leadership will do nothing about it.The election in France will be a barometer of how Europe will go. Right now Sarkozy is leading in the polls. If he wins that will be a strong sign that Europe may be turning back from the brink..
The take over began in 1972, when more than 20 European countries decided to create an Europe-Mediterranean Axis to enlarge the status of Europe in the world.
This treaty included palestinian propaganda and arab point of view in all the medias. Today - and I'm European, I know what I'm talking about - most of the people here really have arab point of views.
Not only about Israel, but the US also. For dhimmis Europeans, the greatest dangers in the world are the USA and Israel. North Korea, Iran, Saddam's Iraq were not so dangerous.
Really, this whole continent is a goner. Anyway, if you have any possibility to get my out of this continent, let me know. I'm 23 and I'm looking to come study in the US in the years to come, but I also hope to live there and become an US citizen. I absolutely don't want to live in Europe whose cowardice is amazing.
If you want two looks at the disaster of a liberal continent, see Eurabia
http://www.amazon.com/Eurabia-Euro-Arab-Axis-Bat-YeOr/dp/083864077X/sr=8-1/qid=1170432204/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-5246329-9526845?ie=UTF8&s=books
and While Europe slept
http://www.amazon.com/While-Europe-Slept-Radical-Destroying/dp/0385514727/sr=1-1/qid=1170432226/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-5246329-9526845?ie=UTF8&s=books
BTW, if you know how to get the green card faster, how to enlist in the US army or even how to get to the US, let me know. I don't think you can imagine the shame to be an European now.
If we don't stop the spread of this cancer it will kill us just like it is killing Europe.
Why would I want to mingle with such a bunch of pussified, cowardly sheep? They'll never ever get another penny from the OldPossum.
Why, also, should I want to put my neck (literally) at risk, associating with Islamofascists? I might be inclined to if I could tote along my Browning Hi-Power (.40)? That not being possible, to hell with the whole idea.
To any Brit reading this: I am disappointed in you folks, your brave Army and Marines did so much for your country and us and you, if news reports can be believed, the general populace, are giving in to the Middle Easterners you so naively allowed to emigrate to the UK but don't have the courage to deport?
The lefties think that they are allowing the Muslims to fight their fight against capitalism and consumerism for them, but what are they going to do when they start stoning women in San Francisco or New York?
Thinking about the left's opposition to consumerism, I remembered George Bush admonishing everyone to go out and buy a car after 9/11. I bet that made the left madder than the attack.
There's always Eastern Europe. I actually loved Romania. Very friendly people in a very traditional, strong culture. Men on horseback tending their fields. The people crossed themselves as they passed churches.
Just a trip back in time, really.
Lovely country, even if it has had its problems.
What country are you a citizen of, BTW?
Muslims are around 5% on the EU’s population, the highest percentage in Western Europe is in France (8%) and Holland (6%). It’s 4% in Germany and the 3% UK.
In Spain, which some observers seem to fear is about to fall to the Caphalite, it’s 2%.
Not all of these are adherents to “Radical Islam”, it’s likely that the average family size of European Muslims will decrease as their economic situation improves and they adjust to the realities of life in urban societies, and throughout Western Europe a strong reaction against Islamic Separatism has set in.
I recently had a conversation with an American who has lived in Holland for the last thirty years, and who has at interesting take on this.
After she had spent a half hour or so explaining in some detail why she disliked Dutch Muslims, I asked her what she thought would happen there.
Her somewhat surprising response (considering that she detests Islam, as least as it has affected life in the Netherlands) was that
"It mostly depends on the economy."
“Think about the US in the 60’s and 70s.
You had large numbers of young people who were attracted to a radical ideologies they barley understood. You had calls for “revolution”, massive street demonstrations, and near worship of people like Castro, Mao, Che Guava and the like - at the time it seemed to a lot of people that the entire social and political order might be in danger.
But 40 years later most of those “revolutionaries” have families, two cars and big mortgages, and a lot of them and voted for George W. Bush.
“Radical Islam in Europe is not the same thing, but in an important way it’s a similar thing.
Like the US back then you have millions of young people who are distressed over what see in the world around them and identify with an ideology that the feel gives their lives “meaning” and connects them to a world-wide movement.
There are hundreds of thousands of those who attend a Mosques to find community and support (think "Woodstock", or the March on the Pentagon), and perhaps a few tens of thousands who at least occasionally have attend "radical mosques"” (think SDS).
Some of these eventually turn to "personal Jihad" (Communes, "Born Again" Christians), some lose interest, and of those attracted to "Political Jihad" a thousand or two eventually become active members of radical action groups operating within Europe (“The Weathermen”).
And of those there are a few dozen who eventually plant bombs, shoot policemen or kidnap their “oppressors” (the more radical Black Panthers or the SLA).
“The key in the US was that if they quit waving their little red books and went and looked for a job almost any of them could find one – at long as they didn’t have a serious criminal record as a result of their political convictions most employers didn’t much care what sort of political opinion they had held a few years previously, and the economy was good enough to offer them the opportunity get on with their lives.
“In Europe there are two problems: their really is a lot of discrimination against Muslims, especially if they are attempting to lead “traditional” lives (like the headscarf issue, or “arranged marriages”), and the economies can’t provide jobs for them.
“If Europe can accommodate a generation or two of “traditional” (but not “Fundamentalist” Muslims ) and if there are jobs available that allow them participate successfully in society a majority will probably assimilate successfully.
But if not, a majority will probably remain angry outsiders within Europe, and an angry minority of those will be a continual and sometimes lethal disruption.”
But how? U.S. is actively supporting Islamic conquest of Europe with military, diplomatic and propaganda means. First in Bosnia, now in Serbian province of Kosovo.
Clintoon worked with Iranian mullahs to create European springboard for Al Qaeda.
Today, State Department assists Islamofascists in their drive to chop off Kosovo from Serbia and create Islamofascist fiefdom out of it.
Gog and Magog will make this largely irrelevant. All but 1/6 of the armies will be destroyed. Armies are largely made up of young men between the ages of 18-35. Iran, Libya, Turkey, Sudan, and Eastern European nations (in addition to Russia) are all mentioned. Syria is not. I think that is because the burden of Damascus happens first. Nevertheless, a lot of bad guys will be wiped out rather quickly.
It may take a second Crusades to accomplish it. I have never been a proponent of genocide but in this case the future of this planet might depend on it.
This cartoon is completely misleading. U.S. and England may be fighting Islamofascism elsewhere, but when it comes to Europe, both U.S. and "England" are busy supporting Islamofascism
Both U.S. and "England" used firepower, and now use diplomacy and propaganda assets to support Islamofascism in Europe.
England even struck a deal with Islamofascist terrorists to give them the right to operate freely on British soil, on condition they make no attacks on British targets.
9-11 and London bombing shows how wise such policy is.
We'll cross that Auschwitz when we come to it.
If you have a better solution I would love to hear it.
I wonder, if a Democrat is allowed to enter the Presidency in 2008, how long it will be before they over-run this country? 8 years of Democratic power is an ugly proposition to be sure.
Reliable demographers put the Islamic majority in France at 2050. Muslim women are having 4+ babies each, by their mid-twenties. Ethnically French women are having about 1.1 children each by their 40s. The most popular name for baby boys in France is Mohammed. The population of 18 year olds (fighting age) in France is already a 50% : 50%, Muslim : Non-Muslim. France is by all indications a goner.
Reliable pollsters show 37% of British Muslims believe it is okay to murder Jews when you encounter them.
Reliable pollsters report approximately a tripling of radical sentiment among second generation Muslims in Britain.
There is no moderating Muslim population in Europe of which I am aware.
The banlieus (sp? French, poor, Islamic suburbs) burn every single night, but only the periodic peaks of violence are reported. Firemen cannot enter to put out the fires without police escort. Police have refused orders to go with the firemen until they have armored vehicles to back them up.
Sweden similarly has at least one sizeable town and a major section of a major city that are no-go areas for police due to muslim mobs.
Britain has an indigenous suicide bombing cult of muslims. Recent reports from officials in Britain have them tracking (IIRC) 1,300 active terror plots with 10,000+ participants.
Anti-semitic incidents tripled in Britain in recent years.
Spain's electorate capitulated to Islamic Terror, electing the party they were instructed to by the Islamofascists.
I can quote all this from memory in moments, and could come up with a dozen pages if you gave me a day. The Continent is burning, and the authorities, when not actively covering their eyes, are at a loss to stop it.
Buh Bye Europe. Christiandom has moved on; welcome back to the Middle Ages. (Okay, it'll take 30 years, but there is no sign it isn't inevitable.)
well geeze Hoss, the POTUS says dey is the religion of peace.....and the Mexicans coming across our border like a plague....well son dey is the religion of the leaf blower......and we my friend are just as screwed as europe because our leaders are selling us out....Dems and Repubes.
it will and we had better plan on it sooner rather than later......(if you are not a proponent of genocide than you can see how by killing them we will have prevented OUR genocide...so you see, it all works out)
So, the question is: Will America be taken over by Islam or will Mexico be the victor?
The difference is that so far, the Muslims in America are not as radicalized as the ones in Europe.
ARM YOURSELF.....
Observation. Countries that have largely maintained their Christian faith have largely resisted the infiltration by those who want to eliminate Christians. (Poland and Greece).
Countries that have largely given up their Christian faith have largely opened their borders wide to those who want to eliminate Christians. (France, England, Denmark, Sweden, Holland and others).
Any thoughts or comments?
I forget, is the Western(US) lifestyle liberal or conservative in Iran?
To be fair, neither do most Americans understand-- that for example, every time Bill OReilly hosts some parasite like Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR, Islam has won another battle. It is a victory for Jihad every time a moslem killer like this is even given voice by supine media whores like OReilly-- a pathetic useful idiot who is, alas! better than 90% of his fellow media suck-ups.
I'd like sources if you can get 'em. None I trust have numbers remotely close to this.
None of you ever came close to doing a single thing that would risk your life and limb. The jihadis OTOH are not only ready but eager to die for their cause--like the Nazis you fools emulated but never had the moral courage to acknowledge.
Sleep on, Sixties' child, and please do not insult the rest of us by further identifying yourself thus.
Most Europeans also want to SURRENDER to Russia over oil issues.
The Chinese will also use that oppurtunity to expand, and will be slapped down hard. They may also send units (2 million troops) to assist the Russians against Israel in that war.
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