Posted on 02/02/2007 9:50:11 AM PST by ml/nj
"No it doesn't. If it were getting cooler the ice wouldn't break off as much or maybe the pieces would be bigger or maybe there wouldn't be so much open water and the ice would reattach to other pieces before it could drift out to sea. "
You're assuming that there is a cause and effect process that correlates free ice with warmer temperatures. It could be that the ice breaks off due to factors other than warming, such as increased ocean wave amplitude or frequency. Also solid materials often become more brittle with increased cold and this could have some effect on ice cracking. There could also be a short term cyclic temperature phenomenon that causes ice to crack through intermittent strains applied to the ice. I would like to see this studied more rather than to simply assume that more free ice is directly cause by atmospheric warming of a degree or two.
Who's for pollution? The problem with you(?) and the Al Gore crowd is that you think carbon dioxide is a pollutant. (Remember when this was about the ozone hole? Whatever happened to the ozone crisis?)
The most polluted places/rivers are usually in the most socialized or least industrial countries. They are not in the United States.
ML/NJ
John- you do realize there isn't a dang thing we can do abotu cyclical warming trends right? Even the IPOCC report annalysis admits this- man's contribution to cyclical warming trends amounts to a piddly .28%- or 5% if you're willing to discount water vapors- the rest is natural. The scientists KNOW this, and yet they VERY RARELY if ever admit it in public. Just wouldn't fit their government funded 'the earth is dying and it's all our fault' research.
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Define pollution. You release CO2 (carbon dioxide, not CO -- carbon monoxide) with every time you exhale and so does every other animal on the planet.
Are you polluting?
It is much more likely that the rising CO2 levels are mostly a result of a very moderate rise in global temperature, that is in line with past solar maximums. We are still a couple of degrees cooler than when the Vikings settled Greenland during a past solar max. The colony perished when that solar max went back to normal levels as the present one we are now in will.
If you want to know what causes global warming you can see it every day. It rises in the East and sets in the West. It is a star.It energy output is very stable within a narrow range of variability. These small changes in energy output correlate with our solar max and solar min and temperature changes on the earth and our ice ages.
The enviro-nuts will not address the issue of variations in solar output. They know the truth and ignore it for their own political agenda.
[I thought they were a nuisance becuase they would overrun towns looking for food to eat.]
No, they are a nuisance because they smoke in clearly marked 'no smoking' sections
[It probably IS a good idea to look for ways to reduce CO2 emissions, but it is not the crisis that the wacko environmentalist/worldsocialists want you to believe it is.]
What? Are you a plant terrorist? Have you no feelings for the poor starving plants? Nay- I say MORE CO2- the more hte better! :)
Your dead wrong. If the glaciers/ice fields were melting, they shrink, and stop moving towards the warmer sea where they normaly break off and float out. What causes them to flow is the constant gaining of mass, which forces them to flow like a frozen river. As it flows to warmer water, they break off. It's an cycle.
When it gets warmer, you will have LESS iceburgs, because they shrink inwards/inland, when they are growing, they expand outwards, and you get MORE icebergs.
You have floated a red herring, and you know it.
The discussion would seem to be about CO2 as a pollutant, not CO or other known and readily agreed upon industrial pollutants. (Plus all the 'pollutants' -- ash, soot, SOx, NOx, O3 etc etc that mother nature produces without our help.)
Responsible scientists already agree on the harm done by industrial pollutants.
Let's keep this thread on the hysteria around CO2. ;-)
Funny though that the nations most exempted from the Kyoto accords are among the WORST industrial polluters -- China and India.
"No, they are a nuisance because they smoke in clearly marked 'no smoking' sections"
Smokey the bear?
They do that too. They'll tear out a wall of a house in Chrurchill and drag their freezer 5 miles out into the tundra where they open it like a sardine can and enjoy some fine dining.
Nothing beats take out dinners.
All of this news and the 10-year doomsday predictions are key to getting a panic going so that we will beg the UN to take over. If we don't hurry up and give in, it will be too late, because the ice age will be pretty well advanced in 10 years.
Did you think about this while you were driving your Volvo to the Starbucks Drive-Through?
The whole thing looks photoshopped to me.
I have an answer.
First, CO2, is carbon dioxide, it's the stuff you exhale when you axe a question.
Second, God is spelled with a capital G, I know you know how to capitalize since you managed the words ANY and BAD in caps.
Third, it's not a question of belief, it's a matter of proof, there is no proof that man's activities have any effect on the temperature of the planet.
Fourth, certain kinds of pollution are bad. If you piss in my pool, that's is pollution and it will be BAD for you, right?
Makes sense to me. The data shows the warm decade, 1930's followed by a 24% increase in CO2, which the data sheet calls the beginning of the "industrial buildup". Regardless, however, average temperatures actually cooled for the rest of the 20th century. We've never had a day as hot as the record set in 1930. Other papers show that the Arctic is now about 5 degrees cooler than it was about 2000 years ago.
If they'd like to address a real problem, it would be wise to address the "smug" alerts caused by self righteous lefties.
That's sad, but they, like us, need to either adapt or die.
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