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Vanity: And now for the rest of the question: Has conservatism been defeated in America?

Posted on 02/04/2007 3:01:09 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Would you accept a gay agenda/NARAL supporting abortionist gun-grabber as your party's savior against Hillary Clinton even if it means we abandon the pro-life, pro-family, pro-freedom of religion and pro-gun planks from the party's platform? And most likely ends any prayer of ever overturning Roe vs Wade or preventing gay marriage as the law of the land? And eventually leads to permanently ending any and all mention of God or prayer in the public square? And further erodes away the right of the people to keep and bear arms?

Will preachers speaking out against the gay agenda eventually become a hate crime in America? Will it soon become the law of the land that business owners must allow cross-dressing males to wear dresses in the office or face criminal/civil penalties like they do in San Francisco? Will man-boy "love" soon be accepted by the new American liberal society?

Has the anti-God, anti-America, anti-commonsense and decency ACLU, NOW and NARAL organizations defeated conservatism?

Is conservatism dead in the Republican Party?

Is the conservative movement dead in America?

Is God dead to Americans?


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KEYWORDS: 2008; electionpresident; giuliani; giuliani2008; hillary; jimrobinson; mafiarudy; robinson; rudy; rudybluestatelib; rudyrino
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1 posted on 02/04/2007 3:01:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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Are you ready for some FOOTBALL!!?


2 posted on 02/04/2007 3:02:01 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

No; the attitude of "anybody but Hillary" is just as bad and myopic as "anybody but Bush."

But what are you saying? That Hillary might not be all that bad?


3 posted on 02/04/2007 3:02:31 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger (Wellllllll! Guess it's not about the economy anymore, is it? Stupid?)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

With hillary at least there would be republican opposition.

The problem with putting a RINO in the whitehouse is that both parties will end up supporting their liberal agenda.


4 posted on 02/04/2007 3:04:29 PM PST by flashbunny (If the founding fathers were alive today, they'd be plucking feathers and boiling tar.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Yes, I'm ready for some football!

That's the ticket, Jim! :)

and NO. America is a far, far long ways off from being OVER.

I quote John Belushi in Animal House:

It ain't over 'till I say it's over!!

CHARGe!!!

5 posted on 02/04/2007 3:04:32 PM PST by Alia
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Is conservatism dead in the Republican Party? Is the conservative movement dead in America? Is God dead to Americans?

No, but in all cases they're on life support. I believe the next 20 years are going to be rocky, but I truly do feel that Gen X and Gen Y will be significantly more conservative than their parents and grandparents. So while the short-term outlook is bleak, there's reason to have a lot of hope for the long-term.

6 posted on 02/04/2007 3:04:57 PM PST by NittanyLion
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Answer is no. THere are candidates for the presdency that are agaisnt all those things you mentioned. And it is up to us to ensure that one of them is our standard bearer in 2008.

The nonsense in the MSM that Hillary or Obama or breck girl are good candidates is just that. Nonsense. All are weak. And Hillary just flushed her chances down the drain with her idiotic statements about ending the war.


7 posted on 02/04/2007 3:05:09 PM PST by pissant
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"But what are you saying? That Hillary might not be all that bad?"

How could you possibly read that into my question?

Them's fighting words!

8 posted on 02/04/2007 3:05:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
50's-era neo-Puritanism will not be conserved. That movement - for better or worse - hit its zenith in 1994 and has now been defeated.

Conserving the radical ideals of the Founding Fathers is a different matter, and a cause that might attract broad support - if conservatives would actually dedicate themselves to conserving them.

9 posted on 02/04/2007 3:05:21 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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It's not dead Jim.

Getting rid of Joe Schwarz and replacing him with conservative Tim Walberg is one of my proudest moments in my voting history.


10 posted on 02/04/2007 3:05:25 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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Well not for this guy it has not.

I just hope the right candidates can articulate the best message.

Otherwise we lose.
11 posted on 02/04/2007 3:06:02 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Jim Robinson
GO AMERICA!!!

WOOOO!!!!

12 posted on 02/04/2007 3:06:03 PM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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Things look pretty bad right now, but it is still early. When Newt declares in October, or some other real conservative pops out of nowhere, then we will see if conservatism is dead.


13 posted on 02/04/2007 3:06:45 PM PST by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: Jim Robinson

To hearten you a bit, there was a report on FNC this morning that findings from an independent survey showed that 60% of the country believe the success of a nation, this nation depends on religious upbringing. When asked which the respondents overwhelmingly said Judeo/Christian.


14 posted on 02/04/2007 3:06:45 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Jim Robinson
I was well into my 30s before I had the time to actually pay attention to what the media and politicians have been doing to this country just in my lifetime.

I do not think that conservatism has been defeated, but it is certainly looking to me that the American Political Party status quo is doomed.
15 posted on 02/04/2007 3:07:18 PM PST by Radix (It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of what he was never reasoned into)
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To: Jim Robinson
* Is conservatism dead in the Republican Party?
Pretty much.

* Is the conservative movement dead in America?
No.

* Is God dead to Americans?

NO!

Just as you partly described, I think '08 will be anti-Hillary, not pro-GOP anything.

Sad situation, to be sure.

16 posted on 02/04/2007 3:07:44 PM PST by Enosh
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To: Jim Robinson

Unfortunately, I think Dick Morris is right: demographic shifts alone will spell the end of the Republican party as a major force in American politics within the next 20 years or so. That is, unless the Republican party simply continues to drift leftward to accommodate the increasingly socialist and divisive American landscape.


17 posted on 02/04/2007 3:07:56 PM PST by Junior_G
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A steely determination to win the war on terror is really all that matters for the time being. Let us choose a leader with that quality above all others.

Then when we're well on the way toward winning the truly existential challenge that faces our civilization, we can deal with abortion, gun control, gay rights, overtaxation, judge-made-law and all the other socialist/leftist agenda items that plague our great nation.


18 posted on 02/04/2007 3:08:02 PM PST by Hawthorn
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Why don't you just come out and say it?

Rudy is bad for the conservative cause!

19 posted on 02/04/2007 3:08:52 PM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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If the pro-gun pro-family, pro-life, pro-God, anti-terrorist conservatives do not provide the electorate a leadership candidate who will grow the economy, provide leadership to energy independence, articulate why family values are essential, and reconnect with the core American principles as distinct from international humanism, then the conservatives deserve to lose.
20 posted on 02/04/2007 3:09:52 PM PST by mission9 (Be a citizen worth living for, in a Nation worth dying for...)
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