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Reassessment shocker (Nobody "owns" real estate in the US)
Baltimore Sun ^ | Feb 4, 2007 | Jamie Smith Hopkins and Larry Carson

Posted on 02/05/2007 9:27:40 AM PST by RobRoy

Baltimore City homeowners saw some of the region's steepest increases in the recent round of property reassessments, a stark change after years of lagging home values - and added ammunition for groups calling for tax relief.

In the city, which has the highest property tax rate in the state, nearly one in five reassessed homes saw values at least double since they were last evaluated three years ago. No other jurisdiction in the Baltimore region had such a high share, according to a Sun analysis of state records for owner-occupied homes. The city also claims the ZIP codes with the fastest-escalating residential assessments. The average market value doubled for reassessed homes in the neighborhoods of Medfield and Hoes Heights - north of Hampden - and nearly doubled in the western half of Cross Country and Fallstaff, neighborhoods in the city's northwest corner. Some home assessments went up even more.

"I just have a plain little stone rancher, nothing fancy or anything," said Mary Conaway, a Cross Country resident who bought her home 11 years ago and couldn't believe her new assessment: nearly $550,000, up from about $200,000 three years earlier.

But increases were substantial in the suburbs, too. Average assessments rose at least 40 percent in every reassessed ZIP code, even ones heavy with million-dollar homes. Across the region, the gain in assessed values outpaced the rise in sale prices over the same period.

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: govwatch; housing; propertyrights; propertytaxes; realestate; taxes
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What many people overlook in the ongoing Real Estate in duced credit bubble crisis is the compounding effect of increased real estate taxes. Some people, even though they took out "responsible" fixed interest loans, are seeing their monthly payment go up several hundred dollars a month just in increased property taxes.

What happens to the local and state governments as well as the affected properties when those taxes simply go unpaid?

How does that affect the local economy and the quality of the neigborhoods and infrastructure?

1 posted on 02/05/2007 9:27:42 AM PST by RobRoy
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To: ex-Texan; Hydroshock; Always Right

ping


2 posted on 02/05/2007 9:29:04 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: RobRoy
What happens to the local and state governments as well as the affected properties when those taxes simply go unpaid?

They go into the real estate business, selling other peoples' property, that they now own.

4 posted on 02/05/2007 9:31:10 AM PST by Gorzaloon (Global Warming: A New Kind Of Scientology for the Rest Of Us.)
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To: RobRoy

The Government owns all property. In KELO, the Supremes told us so.


5 posted on 02/05/2007 9:31:34 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (McCain / Feingold - 2008 ... "Shut Up or Go To Prison")
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To: Gorzaloon

>>They go into the real estate business, selling other peoples' property, that they now own.<<

Weren't they doing a lot of that in the 1930's - to properies that the "owners" had "owned" free and clear?

I wonder what the government does when no taxes are being paid on a $500k home in which the owner has no equity and has even moved out several months ago.


6 posted on 02/05/2007 9:35:21 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: RobRoy
Reassessment shocker (Nobody "owns" real estate in the US)

Except the government.
When have you EVER seen a government entity pay property tax?

7 posted on 02/05/2007 9:35:56 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: RobRoy

The State of Maryland is getting what it voted for.


8 posted on 02/05/2007 9:36:28 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Brad Cloven

No one actually owns the real estate that they hold title to. You can verify this by not paying the taxes on it and see how fast the govt puts it on the auction block.


9 posted on 02/05/2007 9:36:59 AM PST by LetsRok
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To: RobRoy

one good thing here in the peoples democratic republik of michigan has is the headley amendment......assessments can go up, but taxes have to be adjusted to the rate of inflation only.......


10 posted on 02/05/2007 9:37:04 AM PST by joe fonebone (Either grow a pair, or vacate your chair...)
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To: Just another Joe

>>When have you EVER seen a government entity pay property tax?<<

Yeah, but the government can't pay itself. Well, I guess with creative means, it can. But in the meantime, if only the government owns property, no taxes are collected. That can't be good for a community.

I wouldn't want to be trying to sell a house in the market where the competing homes are being auctioned for taxes...


11 posted on 02/05/2007 9:38:19 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: RobRoy

Two words for the good people of Maryland: "Prop 13"


12 posted on 02/05/2007 9:39:02 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: RobRoy

Thank God for Prop 13.

Even in California we occasionally get something right.


13 posted on 02/05/2007 9:39:36 AM PST by null and void (<----- Shocked and odd...)
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To: null and void
Even in California we occasionally get something right.

Blind squirrel, broken clock, etc.

;^)

14 posted on 02/05/2007 9:41:46 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Brad Cloven
The Government owns all property. In KELO, the Supremes told us so.

It's been true since the beginning. What you buy is a somewhat greater degree of control over the property than a renter has, and the right to re-sell your interest. It's sort of like owning a year-round timeshare - you get exclusive use of it, but there's always some entity bigger and stronger ready to throw you out if you misbehave. ;)

15 posted on 02/05/2007 9:42:14 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: RobRoy

The problem here is that people have "allowed" government to automatically reassess property values every 3 years.
Don't think for a minute that government won't help themselves to taking more hard earned money given the opportunity.

And, at least here in Missouri, the process of appealing tax increases is complicated and expensive. You still have to pay the tax, but under protest. Each taxpayer is pretty much on their own, even when living in the same general areas.


16 posted on 02/05/2007 9:42:53 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: Just another Joe

Pretty much...


17 posted on 02/05/2007 9:42:59 AM PST by null and void (<----- Shocked and odd...)
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To: RobRoy

assessed value doesn't really matter. the municipality figures out how much it wants to spend, then pro-rates it, and charges you whatever it thinks is your share.

raising assessments are vehicles for lowering the mill rate, creating the illusion of lower taxes.

note the amount of cash you pay always goes up, no matter what financial wizardry they do with assessments and mills.


18 posted on 02/05/2007 9:44:16 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: RobRoy
I wonder what the government does when no taxes are being paid on a $500k home in which the owner has no equity and has even moved out several months ago.

Whoever holds the mortgage, makes sure that taxes get paid. Otherwise they could be out $500K. They will probably lose $30-100K in a foreclosure, but that is much better than $500K.

19 posted on 02/05/2007 9:44:45 AM PST by Always Right
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To: RobRoy

Not a drop of pity for a single one of these guys. They consistently elect liberal tax-n-spenders like they're going out of style. Now they're reaping the whirlwind. To paraphrase Kos, "I feel no sorrow for liberals that suffer the end result of their ultimately confiscatory financial viewpoints. Screw them."


20 posted on 02/05/2007 9:46:31 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: RobRoy
if only the government owns property

Gov't does not own all property, but is co-owner of some. In Alaska Gov't is co-owner of the 1% in private ownership and outright owner of the rest.

21 posted on 02/05/2007 9:46:32 AM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: camle
assessed value doesn't really matter. the municipality figures out how much it wants to spend, then pro-rates it, and charges you whatever it thinks is your share

Except states cap the rate municipalities can charge. It is not quite a blank checkbook.

22 posted on 02/05/2007 9:47:39 AM PST by Always Right
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To: o_zarkman44

Here in Colorado, people are constantly voting for more computers in schools, more taxes for schools and rec centers and libraries, more toys for firefighters and police. Nothing gets rejected, and our property taxes are skyrocketing. I think we've been taken over by blue-staters thast have fled their socialist strongholds.


23 posted on 02/05/2007 9:47:55 AM PST by mallardx
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To: Mr. Jeeves

That is true. It is interesting to watch people discover reality to be different than they imagined.


24 posted on 02/05/2007 9:49:38 AM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: RobRoy
Welcome to socialism unleashed...

&&&&.....cha-ching.......$$$$

25 posted on 02/05/2007 9:51:15 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The answers remain available; Wisdom is obtained by asking all the right questions!)
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To: RobRoy

New Jersey saw the Real Estate market booming and decided to apply a "TRANSFER TAX" to every sold property. Hey, look at all the money these people are making on THEIR property, let's take a piece of that, let's tax them again.

In a world where people had any civic responsiblility or lived in reality, they would be LIVID and have mass rallies against this unbelievable injustice, instead, we get a yawn.

EVERY person should challenge their reassesment, ask a realtor friend or any realtor or do the research yourself to find comprable sales that show you're being charged too much and schedule an appointment. 2000 appointments should send them the message that the people won't be cowed.


26 posted on 02/05/2007 9:53:17 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: RobRoy

> Nobody "owns" real estate in the US

Do you know of anyplace in the world where people do?


27 posted on 02/05/2007 9:53:28 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: RobRoy

In many places these tax valuations are out of hand. Property owners should have the right to force the county to buy the property at the assesed value if the county can not defend the assesment based on 30 day sales comps in the same area.


28 posted on 02/05/2007 9:55:09 AM PST by Poison Pill
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To: mallardx

I lived in Colorado for a few years back in the 80's before returning to Mo.
Friends who remained have told me about the influx of Californicators moving in who are trying to make Colorado exactly like the socialist empire they left.

As if there wasn't enough libs already in Colorado.

Good luck!


29 posted on 02/05/2007 9:56:06 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: RobRoy

It's best to prepare for these eventualities years ahead of time, during prime working years, and sock money away in CD's and stocks and leave the money there, don't touch it. So you have it when your earning power declines, when you're "encouraged" to take early retirement, when you're living on a greatly-reduced income but you still want to stay in your home and not move.


30 posted on 02/05/2007 9:56:10 AM PST by Ciexyz (In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths. Proverbs 3:16)
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To: domenad

Yes, they are getting exactly what they vote for. O'Malley will only make it worse. I don't go up there unless I really, really just have to. It is a socialist outpost and under socialism, there is no private property. I have some lib friends up there in Columbia, who have for 20 years consistently voted for the Dems in Maryland and they are now talking about moving to North Carolina because of the "high taxes." I just have to bit my tongue. You really do reap what you sow.


31 posted on 02/05/2007 9:56:55 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: mallardx

And re-creating their little socialist utopia in their new digs. They'r dumber than dogs and cats - at least dogs and cats don't s%#t in their own beds.


32 posted on 02/05/2007 9:57:18 AM PST by SargeK
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To: RobRoy
They pass the past due taxes onto the new buyer?
33 posted on 02/05/2007 10:00:46 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("I fear we have woken a sleeping giant and filled her with a terrible resolve" - Osama?)
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To: Fstrt5

Except for the crabcakes.


34 posted on 02/05/2007 10:01:31 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Fstrt5

lol - thanks


35 posted on 02/05/2007 10:07:01 AM PST by Enduring Freedom (the agenda of the media will come to full fruition when they carry ak-47s and shoot at our troops)
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To: BenLurkin
Two words for the good people of Maryland: "Prop 13"

We own a condo in San Diego. The bad news is that people in our situation can't afford to buy a house because the additional property taxes make payments way too high. The good news is that at least we have a place we can afford to live in. (My sympathies to those stuck renting when prices shot up.)

36 posted on 02/05/2007 10:07:50 AM PST by nosofar
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To: RobRoy

>> "I just have a plain little stone rancher, nothing fancy or anything," said Mary Conaway, a Cross Country resident who bought her home 11 years ago and couldn't believe her new assessment: nearly $550,000, up from about $200,000 three years earlier. <<

Damned b!tch makes $350,000 profit in three years, and she whines about it. How does she think all of us wanna-be first-time home buyers feel? Hey, lady: You're sitting on $350,000 in excess collateral. Alternately, throw out the damned bums who can't cut taxes despite a revenue windfall.


37 posted on 02/05/2007 10:11:55 AM PST by dangus
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To: RobRoy

I didn't see anything in the article (unless i missed it) that said we don't 'own' real estate?


38 posted on 02/05/2007 10:13:35 AM PST by CottShop
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To: 3AngelaD
I have some lib friends up there in Columbia, who have for 20 years consistently voted for the Dems in Maryland and they are now talking about moving to North Carolina because of the "high taxes."

I have a lib friend who was complaining about how "high" her state income tax was. I was like... you tell me you are a liberal but you complain about paying high taxes?

39 posted on 02/05/2007 10:14:24 AM PST by pnh102
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To: RobRoy
This is why property taxes shouldn't be based on an "assessment", which is quite flexible. It should be based on something fixed, such as a tax on actual land area owned plus a tax on the square footage of buildings. The tax should be a fixed, known amount per square foot. Basing taxes on "assessed property value" is just more socialist wealth transfer.

Voters should quickly remove anyone who raises taxes too.

40 posted on 02/05/2007 10:16:48 AM PST by TChris (The Democrat Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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To: dangus
Damned b!tch makes $350,000 profit in three years, and she whines about it.

And most of it will be tax-free profit, so it is like making $500K taxable income. Darn I feel for her.

41 posted on 02/05/2007 10:17:15 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Ciexyz

Live a life of forced sacrifice so that you can retire to a life of poverty and want?


42 posted on 02/05/2007 10:17:22 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: null and void

Most of the Los Angeles property is over rated by as much as 40% see kabc report,guess who wins on that Scam.


43 posted on 02/05/2007 10:20:27 AM PST by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: Poison Pill
Property owners should have the right to force the county to buy the property at the assesed value if the county can not defend the assesment based on 30 day sales comps in the same area.

YES! YES! YES!

44 posted on 02/05/2007 10:22:52 AM PST by Niteranger68 (Point your toilets towards Mecca!)
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To: RobRoy

Why are real estate taxes a fixed percentage of value when the government budges don't go up as fast as real estate value?

I can't believe Baltimore's government services doubled in three years.


45 posted on 02/05/2007 10:25:56 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: joe fonebone
"one good thing here in the peoples democratic republik of michigan has is the headley amendment......assessments can go up, but taxes have to be adjusted to the rate of inflation only......."

Yup. We're all just renting from the government.

46 posted on 02/05/2007 10:26:37 AM PST by blam
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To: dangus

Assessed value and market value are not the same thing. Her house is now only worth $550,000 if someone is willing to pay that much. If she is on a fixed income, the increase in property taxes could force her to have to sell, but she still has to live somewhere.


47 posted on 02/05/2007 10:37:02 AM PST by christie
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To: dangus
You're so wrong...it's comical.

Assessment value is not market value for one thing. You will usually see market value much higher than assessment value.

More importantly, what if you don't have any plans to sell your home? What if you're retired and on a fixed income?

And just because you wake up one day and see the value of your home has doubled or tripled doesn't translate to that money in your pocket....until you transfer title to somebody else.

Then you have capital gains taxes owed the federal government too.

48 posted on 02/05/2007 10:38:04 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: blam

i agree.........property taxes are a crime


49 posted on 02/05/2007 10:42:26 AM PST by joe fonebone (Either grow a pair, or vacate your chair...)
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To: RobRoy

Another problem to consider is the fate of all of the older retired people in the area. If the property tax is increased by 60% to 70% as suggested some of these folks are caught in another Maryland catch 22. They will be to old to consider moving and unable to pay the tax. Perhaps the folks in Annapolis should comment on that. But I won't hold my breath.


50 posted on 02/05/2007 10:42:49 AM PST by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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