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Hi-point Firearms - opinions?
http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com ^ | 2-5-07 | Self

Posted on 02/05/2007 7:46:47 PM PST by Bat_Chemist

So I'm looking over the web for a new handgun (the only one we own is my wife's 9-shot .22, a pretty little piece, but not much for home defense). I came across the website for Hipoint firearms, makers of "polymer frame" handguns, and I thought, "Wouldn't that be really unstable and fragile?" I wanted to get the opinions of the "strangers I trust" here at FR before I actually go drop a couple hundred there. And that's the other thing...these guns are American made and inexpensive. Are they too good to be true?


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1 posted on 02/05/2007 7:46:48 PM PST by Bat_Chemist
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To: Bat_Chemist

Well, since it is home defense, you are not constrained that much by size or weight. A shotgun would do well. As for the plastics- i don't believe in them. good old 1911, all steel.


2 posted on 02/05/2007 7:51:32 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Bat_Chemist

Well, they're better than Lorcins or ravens...

Hi-points aren't all that good. The only weapon of theirs that people seem to like is their pistol-caliber carbine. The pistols are heavy, ungainly weapons with a blowback design. It means that the recoil can be quite uncomfortable.

If you are looking for a lower-cost, decent self-defense pistol look at a Ruger or quality used revolver.


3 posted on 02/05/2007 7:51:44 PM PST by MediaMole (9/11 - We have already forgotten.)
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To: Bat_Chemist

The polymer frame isn't necessarily a bad thing - the Glocks and the Springfield XDs, among other models, use polymer frames.

Having said that, I've never owned a Hipoint, but I've read some reviews of them. Some people like them, but the majority of folks around here will probably tell you to avoid them.


4 posted on 02/05/2007 7:52:29 PM PST by CFC__VRWC (Go Gators! NCAA Football and Basketball Champions!)
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To: Bat_Chemist
drop a couple hundred

Prepare for a bit more...
5 posted on 02/05/2007 7:52:58 PM PST by sasquatch
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To: Bat_Chemist

....I'm partial to the Rugers myself....Never fired the Brownings but I've heard they are fine firearms.....usually depends on the grip....I would try out several makes to see which feels best in your hand as some are bulkier then others....


6 posted on 02/05/2007 7:55:01 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: Bat_Chemist
http://www.kel-tec.com/pf9.html

This is what I ordered for CCW.
I use a Winchester 1300 pump for home defense!
Backup home is a S&W 38 special in a cigar box in my back closet.
7 posted on 02/05/2007 7:56:34 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: Bat_Chemist

Go the The High Road a very good firearms site. I think they consider them junk and would not buy one. A Bursa is a cheap handgun in .380 that alot of people think is good. Check out the site. Just let them know you are a newbie. People there are nice mostly. There is a hangun forum there.


8 posted on 02/05/2007 7:57:25 PM PST by therut
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To: Bat_Chemist
I've never been impressed with Hipoints.

I would recommend a revolver. When I go out go shoot I much prefer a semi-auto pistol, but I have a revolver on me at all times, as does my wife. When you need them they work.

9 posted on 02/05/2007 7:57:47 PM PST by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: Bat_Chemist

I own a number of firearms. While almost all of my firearms are semis, I keep a double action .357 (SP-101) loaded for home protection and carry. No safety, no chambering, just point and shoot.

For effect, I have a Crimson Trace laser sight on it that has the on switch by the normal resting place for my thumb. While I don't practice with the laser, it does get plenty of attention at the range and does hit right on the illumination. Can you imagine the pucker factor on a bad guy.

Additionally, we typically keep a Mossberg 500 with 18" barrel, full stock and 3" 4-buck loaded. This is not chambered. Again this is pucker factor when it round is racked.


10 posted on 02/05/2007 7:59:15 PM PST by fuente
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To: c-b 1

Amen. They are also very simple, no safety or other lever to manipulate in a high stress situation.


11 posted on 02/05/2007 8:01:11 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: Bat_Chemist

IMO, don't waste your money on a Hi-Point.

Save up and buy a quality gun from Colt, S&W, Ruger, Springfield, Glock or even a Kimber if you can afford it.

You'll never regret the better quality, and any one of them will last you the rest of your life.


12 posted on 02/05/2007 8:01:45 PM PST by conservativeharleyguy (Technically, we're all Republicans)
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To: Bat_Chemist

My 9mm HiPoint was my first handgun. I also own a 7mm Ruger bolt action and a AK-47. I go shooting a couple of times a year. I wouldn't mind getting a nicer handgun, but I haven't regretted buying the HiPoint...and it was very cheap. I had the dealer put a laser site on it. My wife and have shot it and I've told her just put the red dot on any intruder...


13 posted on 02/05/2007 8:02:24 PM PST by Nephi (Open borders is the other side of the globalist free trade coin. W and Rudy are globalists.)
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To: fuente

I motified my 500 with the five round magazine so it will hold nine Aquila mini-shells in the mag and one in the chamber. That increases the capacity to ten. The modification doesn't effect the normal capacity.


14 posted on 02/05/2007 8:05:52 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Bat_Chemist

Polymer does not mean fragile. That said, until I know more abut HiPoint, my impression is that that they're a fly-by-by-night shop selling cheap crap. I could be proven wrong. First impression.

"Made in USA" is not a guarantor of quality. If you've never heard of Intratec, look them up; their products were, from the beginning, craptacular. Actually, the worst guns available in the US are domestic, because the import restrictions are more stringent than those for domestic sale. You can, and many do, buy a weapon from Lentana that would be illegal to import from Beijing.

I've shot Glock, H & K, Springfield, Colt, Walther, Enfield, Winchester, S & W several times. I shot a Tec-9 once before I decided it was a piece of s--t not worth the effort. It was incredibly awful, and if I had to use it against an unarmed assailant, I still think I'd be more likely to die than he would. They're that bad.

Firearms are one area where it's still pretty much true that what you get is what you pay for. It's not a place to count pennies, It is not the place to skimp.


15 posted on 02/05/2007 8:05:54 PM PST by ReignOfError (`)
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To: MediaMole

Taurus isn't bad for a less costly revolver. Neither is Charter Arms.


16 posted on 02/05/2007 8:06:42 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Bat_Chemist
Some links for your consideration:

Shooting Times Review of Hi-Point Pistols:
http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/hipoint_100605/

Gun Week Review of Hi-Point Carbines:
http://www.gunweek.com/2005/feature0201.html

Another Hi-Point Carbine Review:
http://www.gunweek.com/2005/feature0201.html

17 posted on 02/05/2007 8:07:47 PM PST by yatros from flatwater
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To: fuente

I have had Lasergrips on my revolvers for about 5 years now. I bought them for my son and daughter when I got them their revolvers and CCW permits. We all really like them and they make it possible to shoot and hit more quickly.


18 posted on 02/05/2007 8:08:03 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: Bat_Chemist

I think of a good firearm as an investment. With any good quality firearm, the value either goes up or stays the same. That's not true of the cheaper firearms such as a HiPoint. One way or another, you'll waste your money.


19 posted on 02/05/2007 8:08:57 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Bat_Chemist

Get a combat shotgun with an 18" barrel and an extended magazine. If you're the shooter, 12 gage pump or semi-auto. If the wife shoots it too, 20 ga., semi-auto. NEF makes some sweet home defense 12 ga. pumps for under $300 [maybe less than $200].


20 posted on 02/05/2007 8:10:03 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Bat_Chemist

I'm not a bang-lister, but I have an opinion. I have never used Hi-Point firearms, but most reviews and opinions I have read are negative.

Folks in the know suggested to me when I first started shooting that I visit a range that allows visitors to rent firearms. You could try several in one day to get an idea of what you may be interested in. Perhaps see if there is one in your vacinity.

Also, you can get a nice high quality used pistol from a reputable gun shop. Sigs and Glocks are great and are far less expensive refurbished. Smith and Wesson makes good revolvers, but their only good semi-auto is the new M&P from what I have heard. It doesn't hurt to look. A 1911 may be out of your price range if you are looking to keep cost down.

Also, there are buyer's guides in most magazine sections. Massad Ayoob is a great resource for firearm information, as well. And websites such as Glock Talk and Packing.org are full of info, too.

Good luck.


21 posted on 02/05/2007 8:10:14 PM PST by Time4Atlas2Shrug (Use them bootstraps, cowboy.)
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To: yatros from flatwater
One more opinion from Massad Ayoob:

Cheap guns are good enough

22 posted on 02/05/2007 8:13:05 PM PST by yatros from flatwater
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To: GSlob; Bat_Chemist
A shotgun would do well. Good advice. Just point and 'click.'
23 posted on 02/05/2007 8:24:10 PM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: PzLdr

In my concealed carry class, the instructor said NEVER use rifles or shotguns for home defense. Studies show the long barrel is a huge disadvantage in a dark home. Intruders can and have grabbed the long barrels and turned the tables on the homeowner.
And, even with a pistol, hold it close to your body, not stiff-armed outward.
And, with pistols, you get what you pay for. Any name brand gun that you feel comfortable with should be a very good investment.


24 posted on 02/05/2007 8:24:55 PM PST by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist!)
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To: Bat_Chemist
Lots of good quality, moderately priced stuff out there. Remember that a good revolver is better than bad semi. Rugers, Taurus, Bersa, Keltec are all good value. I've never heard anything good about Hipoint except that they are cheap. Go to a dealer that you know and buy a good used piece. You should be able to pick up good quality for $200-300 easily.

If you want a good home defense rifle you can't beat an SKS for about $200.

I'm sure you can pick up a good 12 ga. pump for that price.

25 posted on 02/05/2007 8:29:36 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Respectfully, I must disagree. I am able to afford an array of firearms, but to anyone on a budget, consider that SHooting Times gave the HiPoint .40 and the HiPoint .45 what amount to near glowing approval.

Sure, if you shoot 50 to 250 rounds a week, there may be a longevity problem with the HiPoint - may, I said. But that is meaningless for the home defense buyer who shoots a few boxes a year. Cost and time make this the case for most Americans.

Let's look at the $500 level. One can buy about three .45 HiPoints versus one "high end" pistol. In terms of home defense, three guns at strategic in ones home is better than one pistol.

Lastly, read the Shooting Times review and note what it says about the "shootability" of the HiPoint pistols.

While I enjoy fine firearms, I also recognize that for many Americans, the HiPoint makes more sense.


26 posted on 02/05/2007 8:30:00 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
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To: Bat_Chemist

I have a highpoint 9mm. for anyone on a budget looking for home protection with more stopping power than the .22, the high point is a good option. the company is right up the road from me here in Ohio and has been around for a long time. The gun has never failed me, but I don't put a ton of rounds through it either. another option is the Smith and Wesson sigma series. I have the .40 S&W and it only ran me around $300. When shopping I asked the counter guy at a reputablesport shop what the difference between the S&W and the Glock and Springfield XD were. He explained that the more expensive guns were approx. 60,000 round guns and the S&W was a 40k gun.


27 posted on 02/05/2007 8:35:19 PM PST by Heman11
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To: mozarky2

Your instructor was an idiot.


28 posted on 02/05/2007 8:39:45 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: conservativeharleyguy
Save up and buy a quality gun from Colt, S&W, Ruger, Springfield, Glock or even a Kimber if you can afford it.

Better an inexpensive gun than no gun at all. Normally I'd recommend a pre-owned gun, but if one isn't all the familiar with firearms, you can waste money that way as well.

Other, slightly less expensive choices are EAA Witness, in steel, or polymer and steel, Taurus (both revolvers and semi-autos).

But for the most bang for the buck, a 12 gauge shotgun can't be beat. I have a Maverick (by Mossberg) but that was purchased at time of monetary distress, if I had it to do again, I'd get the Mossberg, but the only major difference is the action bars and the safety. (Mossberg has thumb safety, Maverick a cross bolt type, both work fine, Brownings also use the thumb type, Remington and others the cross bolt)

A Maverick can be had for less than $200, new. The Mossberg for more like $260.

The nice thing about the shotguns is that with a second barrel you can have a multipurpose gun, for hunting, trap, skeet, sporting clays, etc.

Mossberg 500 Special Purpose, 18.5" 6 Shot

Maverick 88™ 6-Shot Security

As you can see, very similar, and the prices I gave might be a little high.

29 posted on 02/05/2007 8:41:49 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: ReignOfError
Polymer does not mean fragile. That said, until I know more abut HiPoint, my impression is that that they're a fly-by-by-night shop selling cheap crap. I could be proven wrong.

While the do sell cheap guns, they aren't fly by night, they have been around at least 20 years. They just fill a particular niche, for those who want a gun, don't have much money, but aren't that interested in them, and isn't intending on practicing much (Not Smart!).

30 posted on 02/05/2007 8:46:34 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

In the case of the HiPoint, a cheap gun is worse than no gun - because it has a very high chance of not going "bang" when you need it to, as many people have found.

I'd mention the Hungarian and Argentinian copies of the Browning High Power as being good candidates - and they can be had at roughly the same prices as the HiPoints. Other options include Makarovs from the former Soviet Union and Eastern Block.

Names to avoid in pistols: Jennings, Bryco, HiPoint, Norinco.


31 posted on 02/05/2007 8:48:08 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: fuente

Muzzle flash=Pucker factor.


32 posted on 02/05/2007 8:48:36 PM PST by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: Bat_Chemist

If you need a home defense handgun, get a revolver. Smith and Wesson, Taurus, or Charger Arms will get you a good one.

If you do not want to restrict yourself to a handgun, and I wouldn't, go for a shotgun. What ever kind of shotgun you may get, buy number 1 shot, which will put the maximum number of projectiles all the way to the back of the bad guy. That is 25 each .30 caliber projectiles for a 3 inch magnum in 12 gauge. Just about as good as a whole magazine from a M-16. 16 projectiles from a 2 and 3/4 inch round.

Some like pumps. I would avoid automatics because they have to be tuned to work reliably. I prefer doubles, with double triggers because you have two chances for something to work. And no, you don't owe him a warning 'shuck shuck' sound. Use your voice.

Good luck!


33 posted on 02/05/2007 8:48:55 PM PST by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: Bat_Chemist

A few things:

1) Go with something that you'll enjoy shooting at the range and that won't beat up your hand, arm and senses.
2) If you think about warranties and repair, you should stay with the big manufacturers such as Glock, S&W, Ruger, etc. which stand behind their handguns and make getting repairs relatively easy.
3) I've recently fired a friend's Kimber .45 1911, my wife's S&W .357 revolver 3" barrel and my Taurus .357 tracker revolver 4" barrel. The Kimber was the most accurate and the easiest and most fun to shoot. The Taurus next and the S&W last. A friend has a Glock 19 (9mm) which she loves and shoots very well with and our NRA instructor has a Glock 22 (.40)which he shoots competitively and uses as his primary defensive weapon. He said that Glocks just do not break down when properly cleaned and maintained and the others tend to be nearly indestructible as well.

Essentiually, you want something that will be there if you ever need to save your life or the life of a loved one. You want something that will be accurate, reliable and fun to shoot. This does not come inexpensively especially for a tool that you may have to stake your life on and I would recommend that since this may be the only other gun you get, pay the money for either a Glock or a Kimber or one of similar quality.

Another thing you should definitely consider is contacting the NRA and taking their basic practical handgun course which is offered nationwide by NRA certified instructors.

I'm certain that others will have other recommendations and critiques of my recommendations but it's an important choice and should be given a lot of thought.


34 posted on 02/05/2007 9:12:49 PM PST by Postman
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To: Bat_Chemist
Lot of good firearms but you really think thru and discuss your intended purpose.

Her experience, your experience, Will you and your good wife be practicing regularly (hope so). Carry Gun? Lot of considerations before a sound suggestion can be made.

A used firearm many times if properly selected will get you more bang for the buck :) The NRA grading system and a reputable gun dealer can help you find a serviceble piece.


357 is the smallest I would go myself but their are a lot of "Girly 9 fans" and newest super duper cartridge afficandos out there..

For the wise man

In the beginning God made Sam Moses Browning

Accordingly he made the 1911 and called it good.
It remains so.


God made S&W M19s & Colt Python 357s so folks would have something with zing, simple and reliable which would not confound.

God made the 9mm so the French would have a common cartridge to surrender to the Germans.

God made everything else along with the 9mm (cept 10mm which ain't bad) cause he enjoys a good laugh and knows gunshop owners and magazine writers need to make a living too.


Flame Suit-check Hood-check Gloves, googles check
Ok let er rip....lol
W :)
35 posted on 02/05/2007 9:15:03 PM PST by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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To: Bat_Chemist

Here's more info than you probably want. Have fun

http://www.theboxotruth.com/

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/theboxotruth.htm

http://www.gunfacts.info/

http://www.thehighroad.org/

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=3195

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1743182/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1660526/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1306506/posts



36 posted on 02/05/2007 9:21:23 PM PST by B4Ranch (Press "1" for English, or Press "2" and you will be disconnected until you learn to speak English.)
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To: Bat_Chemist

These things are junk. Very unreliable and I would not consider this brand for any scenario unless there was absolutely no other choice.

It beats throwing bullets by hand and that is the only positive thing I can say as a LEO, firearms instructor, and armorer.


37 posted on 02/05/2007 9:24:37 PM PST by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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To: Bat_Chemist

1. Ruger's a good value for money.

2. If you're not going to practice much, a revolver may be a better choice than a semi-auto.

3. For home defense, a Remington 850 12 gauge is excellent.

4. Personally, I like the Sig 220 in .45 - but it's rather pricey.


38 posted on 02/05/2007 9:27:08 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Bat_Chemist

Here is a forum where owners of Hipoint talk about their guns. Lots of good info here.

http://hipoint.7.forumer.com/index.php


39 posted on 02/05/2007 9:28:48 PM PST by Ramtek57
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To: Bat_Chemist

Give a hi-point .45 auto a try. My son has two...one for each hand. He swears by their accuracy. Price: $150.00 ea.


40 posted on 02/05/2007 9:42:49 PM PST by processing please hold (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Bat_Chemist

The point and click revolver interface is superb for a new shooter. A 357 revolver will also shoot .38 special cartridges, which are a little softer in recoil.

Practice a two handed shooting grip with the gun held close to your stomach; not arms extended out. It keeps the gun more secure and also prevents you from shooting your extended left hand with the gun in your right hand.....


41 posted on 02/05/2007 9:42:50 PM PST by aviator (Armored Pest Control)
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To: MediaMole
The pistols are heavy, ungainly weapons with a blowback design. It means that the recoil can be quite uncomfortable.

Maybe if the hand holding it belongs to a nancee boy.

42 posted on 02/05/2007 9:54:33 PM PST by processing please hold (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: mozarky2
[1]A shotgun with an 18" barrel isn't overly long.

[2]. Shooting accurately in the dark isn't easy, especially for someone who doesn't practice low light shooting.

[3] A shotgun with #4 shot will cover a larger area than a bullet - probably won't go through walls- and is more user friendly for someone who doesn't shoot a lot than a handgun.

[4] Most experts I read don't recommend you go looking for an intruder. they suggest you 'hole up' in a defensive position, and call 911. No loss of defensive ability with a shotgun. If you do, stay away [as far as practicable] from corners, etc., where a perp can grab the gun.

[5] Racking a pump shotgun has a much impressive psychological effect than cocking a handgun.

[5] Most gun writers recommend a shotgun as the best alternative for home defense.
[4]
43 posted on 02/05/2007 9:54:44 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Backup home is a S&W 38 special in a cigar box in my back closet.

I keep mine under my mattress. :-)

44 posted on 02/05/2007 10:07:51 PM PST by processing please hold (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Ramtek57

I agree, lots of good info.

Haven't fired mine yet, but it sounds like seating the cartridges in the magazine properly with the first tilted up solves virtually all the problems.

Sure glad I read that before taking mine out to the range. Thanks!


45 posted on 02/05/2007 10:24:32 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Spktyr
Names to avoid in pistols: Jennings, Bryco, HiPoint, Norinco.

I tend to agree with you. Especially the HiPoint. My son bought one and it was a piece of junk. They wouldn't make things right with him either. Although, he only had it a couple months.

My advice on a good home protection weapon is a shotgun or a quality .357 revolver. .38s are a little light but you also don't need a weapon that can kill through 2 walls either.

46 posted on 02/05/2007 10:43:32 PM PST by jerry639
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To: GSlob

Thanks!


47 posted on 02/06/2007 3:52:43 AM PST by Bat_Chemist (I was on a roll, and then the backspin kicked in...)
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To: GSlob

The carbine is a neat-looking thing, but won't do for CCW...

Thanks!


48 posted on 02/06/2007 3:53:45 AM PST by Bat_Chemist (I was on a roll, and then the backspin kicked in...)
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To: CFC__VRWC

I appreciate the reply. And congrats to your Gators (from a 'Nole fan who was rooting for you).


49 posted on 02/06/2007 3:54:28 AM PST by Bat_Chemist (I was on a roll, and then the backspin kicked in...)
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To: sasquatch
Prepare for a bit more...

Did you check their site? They're very inexpensive.

50 posted on 02/06/2007 3:55:08 AM PST by Bat_Chemist (I was on a roll, and then the backspin kicked in...)
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