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Current birth rates could produce Muslim domination
OneNews ^ | February 2, 2007 | Chad Groening

Posted on 02/06/2007 6:24:53 AM PST by NYer

US map with Islamic crescent star

The Population Research Institute says the Western world is facing a crisis as virtually every country has birth rates well below the replacement rate of 2.1 children per woman.Hear This Report

A pro-family organization has done extensive research into birth rates around the world and has concluded that if the Western world wants to survive, it better start having more children. The Population Research Institute (PRI) says virtually every Western or Westernized nation on the planet is slowly dying off because birth rates have fallen below the 2.1-child-per-woman replacement level.

PRI spokesman Joseph D'Agostino says for the most part, only Muslims have high birth rates. "It's because Christians and Jews are refusing to have children, refusing to get married, [and] having such low birth rates that the Muslims are going to inherit the Earth," he explains. "It's not anything the Muslims are doing; it's what Christians and Jews are not doing."

D'Agostino says the future of the world will certainly be quite different if Muslims become the dominate population group in the coming decades. "I think we can see what life is like in Islamic countries," he says. "I think Christians know that it's a false religion. And we can see that the Muslim world is becoming actually more radical and, in many ways, is headed backwards into its barbaric phase."

D'Agostino notes that it is only through immigration that the U.S. population continues to grow -- and that the current situation begs a pragmatic solution: "If you don't want the world to turn into Saudi Arabia, maybe people other than Muslims need to start having some kids at the rate the Muslims are having kids."


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KEYWORDS: abortion; christian; contraception; deathofthewest; havemorebabies; islam; prolife
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1 posted on 02/06/2007 6:24:54 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 02/06/2007 6:25:28 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

Duh, I'm surprised this had to be said in an actual report. My father and I were talking about this months ago with much trepidation. I've got one daughter, and hope to have 2 to 3 more children, so I'll do my part!

/Remember to buy war bonds!


3 posted on 02/06/2007 6:26:49 AM PST by EarthBound (Ex Deo, gratia. Ex astris, scientia)
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To: NYer
Mark Steyn's new book, "America Alone" made this the central theme of its narrative.

Scary to think where we are going to be in a generation or two.
4 posted on 02/06/2007 6:28:39 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: NYer

I have 4 daughters. I'm done.
I'm sure they should pop out at least 3 each.

Just saying my family has a chunk taken care of. LOL


5 posted on 02/06/2007 6:28:55 AM PST by GottaLuvAkitas1 (Ronald Reagan is the TRUE "Father Of Our Country".)
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To: NYer

Mark Steyn figured this out months ago -- and he didn't have a big-budget research institute paying him for it....


6 posted on 02/06/2007 6:30:13 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Aspiring Guru Seeks Disciples and Admiring Followers -- apply within)
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To: NYer

Could the world slide down into another "Dark Ages" period? It has happened before.


7 posted on 02/06/2007 6:34:12 AM PST by kittymyrib
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Current birth rates could produce Muslim domination

we are headed for ruin if we don't wake up NOW!!!!!

8 posted on 02/06/2007 6:36:29 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

"I'm sure they should pop out at least 3 each."

In our immediate family circle, there are five men between the ages of 30-40. Only one has married and had children (2). If young men are not establishing households, there will be slim chances for your fond hopes.


9 posted on 02/06/2007 6:37:04 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: NYer

OK, me and the wife had our three.

The rest of you out there - get busy.

:-)


10 posted on 02/06/2007 6:37:33 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: NYer

In its "wisdom", the Western world is aborting and queering itself into extinction . . .


11 posted on 02/06/2007 6:38:51 AM PST by fgoodwin (Fundamentalist, right-wing nut and proud father of a Star Scout!)
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To: NYer

We have 11, two of them married and 8 grandchildren so far.

Yes, we have trouble making ends meet. Yes we have debts. No we don't have a lot of fancy toys and fancy cars or a fancy house.

But we have the challenges and rewards of a large family.

Forget about fancy houses and fancy cars and all the latest electronic toys and accumulating $$$$$.

The only things you can take with you when you leave this world are your memories, and the love of your family.

We know lots of people with large families, most of whom are better off than we are, and even better off than the smaller families in the area.

Forget about global warming, too.

If you want to see global warming, wait till the muslims inherit nuclear arsenals from the Euro-peon countries they are slowly taking over.

.


12 posted on 02/06/2007 6:40:22 AM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: NYer
maybe people other than Muslims need to start having some kids at the rate the Muslims are having kids.

Yes, and one more thing: Stop having immigrants who are Muslim. We've done our bit for hospitality's sake and let lots of them in since 1965. It's perfectly kosher and polite to close the saloon for the night.

Meanwhile, overturn Griswold vs. Connecticut!

13 posted on 02/06/2007 6:40:29 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: kittymyrib

Could the world slide down into another "Dark Ages" period? It has happened before.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Some day the Library of Congress could be in flames.


14 posted on 02/06/2007 6:44:04 AM PST by wintertime
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To: NYer

Conversions may outpace demographics in America. Jihad.


15 posted on 02/06/2007 6:44:38 AM PST by PGalt
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To: SamuraiScot

"Meanwhile, overturn Griswold vs. Connecticut!"

Good luck with outlawing contraception. ;-D


16 posted on 02/06/2007 6:45:05 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: NYer
this is real scary. I admit I was freaked out about it until I saw some figures(figures are not given in these articles). apparently there are only 12.5 million Muslims in Europe. we hear about the Muslim invasion of Britain. But, statistically they are only 2.5% of the population. The highest percentage in is France which is 10%. Europe is not going to be Islamisized in a generation or two with just fertility rates. Far from it.
That does into imply there is not a problem. Any rise in Islamic population is a problem any where. They are nothing but trouble. The west is stupid in not controlling the immigration gates.
Another point to remember is that the birth rate is low in the USA because of liberals not reproducing. conservatives are reproducing and that is not a problem.
17 posted on 02/06/2007 6:45:19 AM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: SamuraiScot
Yes, and one more thing: Stop having immigrants who are Muslim

I don't disagree, but we've foolishly let 100,000 a year in legally since 9/11. Which highlights the importance of nominating a clear thinking conservative ideologue in 2008.
18 posted on 02/06/2007 6:49:13 AM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: NYer

Muslim birth rates are declining also, but demographics is a game of last man standing. And right now the last man won't be Western.


19 posted on 02/06/2007 6:51:28 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: PeteB570
OK, me and the wife had our three.

God bless you for that—but is three our idea of a big family? Remember, we have to make up for people who want to have kids, but can't. And also for other non-jihadist Americans who are currently too screwed-up to realize it's what they should be doing.

20 posted on 02/06/2007 6:56:21 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: NYer

Turban sprawl is the muslims plan to conquer America. They already have one member in the House of Representatives (thank you Minnesota, helluva job). What do you think when they have majority control of the democratic party?


21 posted on 02/06/2007 6:58:51 AM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: NYer
The article is correct, of course. Western/Christian birtrates are low, and Muslim birthrates are disproportionately high.

And of course, demography undeniably becomes destiny; given current trends, it is but a matter of time until Muslims grow dominant in their numbers, and dominate much of the Earth.

But where the article fails, is to presume that the Christians of The West will ever resume producing children on a level commensurate to that at which the Muslims are reproducing.

They will not. In a free society, you cannot force people to produce more children than they wish to, nor prevent them from having none at all, if that is how they so choose. Well, you COULD "force them" to do so, but then it ain't gonna be a free society no more.

The "unspoken alternative" is that _Muslim_ birthrates must be effectively reduced to Western levels, by whatever means necessary. Or face the consequences.

By whatever means necessary.

- John

22 posted on 02/06/2007 6:59:28 AM PST by Fishrrman
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To: SamuraiScot

Don't be to worried about a baby gap in the USA. look who is not having them.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-03-13-babybust_x.htm


23 posted on 02/06/2007 7:03:50 AM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: linda_22003
Good luck with outlawing contraception. ;-D

I suggest an ad campaign featuring an announcer reading off the side-effects of the Pill. That may begin to wean people from the idea that tossing human pesticide into one's wife is somehow sexy.

And perhaps another ad, featuring a picture of scores of women in burkhas, next to a picture of a big, fat baby.

Over it, a headline: "What's in your future—THIS OR THIS? You decide."

24 posted on 02/06/2007 7:07:58 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: SamuraiScot
I suggest an ad campaign featuring an announcer reading off the side-effects of the Pill. That may begin to wean people from the idea that tossing human pesticide into one's wife is somehow sexy. There are other forms of contraception, including sterilization, not to method natural family planning. The bottom line is, if women on average refuse to go through childbirth more than twice no one can make them do otherwise. Muslims keep up their high birthrates by practically enslaving their women, we don't do that here.
25 posted on 02/06/2007 7:14:15 AM PST by LWalk18
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To: NYer

This is thanks to politicians who want more immigration of the wrong kind. The right policy would be to give a huge tax deduction for children and to close the borders to infestation from countries that sponsor terrorism.


26 posted on 02/06/2007 7:14:42 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (government in the hands of leftists is as dangerous as stalinism. Wait, it's the same thing!)
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To: NYer

I'm getting married in June. My wife (to-be) and I want four children. We're doing our part.


27 posted on 02/06/2007 7:14:47 AM PST by samson1097
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To: NYer
" . . . the current situation begs a pragmatic solution: . . . "

Outlaw islam and banish the crazies forever. Problem solved.

28 posted on 02/06/2007 7:18:37 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: NYer
Of course that will be the case Muslim men are allowed to marry more then one wife DOH

Give me two or three wives and I could pump out a dozen, or I should really have said I could have pumped out a dozen I am too old now :(
29 posted on 02/06/2007 7:21:21 AM PST by Shots (Loose Lip sink ships.........)
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To: SamuraiScot

"that tossing human pesticide into one's wife"

I didn't realize that men made the decision about how their wives contracepted. Sounds like we're getting closer to Muslim-style decisionmaking in any case! :-/


30 posted on 02/06/2007 7:25:52 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: NYer
So, there are going to be more moron muzzies eh? As long as they keep marrying their first cousins, they'll keep polluting their own gene pool.
31 posted on 02/06/2007 7:30:37 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: redgolum

BIRTH RATES OF MAJOR, PREDOMINANTLY MUSLIM NATIONS:
Algeria 7.37 (1977) -> 1.86
Bangladesh 3.85 (1991)-> 3.09
Egypt 6.05 (1977) -> 2.77
Indonesia 5.76 (1966), 4.68 (1979) -> 2.37
Iran 6.2 (1986) -> 1.72
Libya 7.96 (1973) -> 3.21
Morocco 5.90 (1980) -> 2.62
Pakistan 6.92 (1987) -> 3.86
Saudi Arabia 7.59 (1974) -> 3.94
Syria 7.77 (1981) -> 3.31
Tunisia 4.51 (1984) -> 1.73
Turkey 4.87 (1978) -> 1.89

A lot of people presume France's birth rate is rebounding because of the Muslims in France. This is not true. Notice that French colonies such as Algeria and Tunisia have fertility rates LOWER than France.

These nations will have (or, have had) their birth rate drop below replacement levels (2.10) in the following years:

Algeria, 2003
Bangladesh, unknown
Egypt, unknown (c. 2040?)
Indonesia, 2017
Iran, 1998
Libya, unknown (c. 2040?)
Morocco, 2020
Pakistan, unknown (c. 2040?)
Saudi Arabia, unknown (c. 2050?)
Syria, 2030
Tunisia, 1998
Turkey, 2001

(The following are nations with large Muslim populations that were excluded because they were not predominantly Muslim: China, India, Nigeria, Sudan. Iraq and Afghanistan were excluded because of ongoing warfare.)


32 posted on 02/06/2007 7:31:12 AM PST by dangus
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To: kittymyrib

That's how the theory goes...


33 posted on 02/06/2007 7:31:20 AM PST by Hildy (RUDY IN 2008)
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To: bilhosty
Actually, things can happen really quickly demographically. Whenever you have exponential growth rates in play, things can change rapidly.

Let's say I have 10 kids and you have one. My offspring outnumbers yours 10 : 1. Big difference.

However, lets say each of my kids has only 2 offspring and each of their kids has two offspring and each of their kids has two offspring. After 4 generations (and assuming the last generation is the only surviving generation) I will have 80 descendants. On the other hand, if your one child has 4 kids and each of those kids has 4 kids etc etc, then after 4 generations you will have 64 offspring.

That's a situation of near equality starting from a 10:1 differential. And one more generation will see your descendants in the majority if those rates are maintained.

A facile example, I know but it gets the point across. Given the trouble Muslims cause when they constitute less than 10% of the population, I would say that they would have critical mass well before they reach an absolute majority.

34 posted on 02/06/2007 7:33:02 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
Actually, things can happen really quickly demographically. Whenever you have exponential growth rates in play, things can change rapidly.

What proof is there that the Muslim birthrate in Europe is exponential? I haven't seen any firm fertility rates for European Muslims- are they having 3 children a piece or 10? What is the birthrate for first versus second generation Muslim women in Europe?

35 posted on 02/06/2007 7:45:06 AM PST by LWalk18
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To: fgoodwin
In its "wisdom", the Western world is aborting and queering itself into extinction . . .

Yes, and this has all happened before - in Rome, Greee, and other civilizations that considered themselves advanced.

"Those who do not learn from history, are forced to repeat it". ... Santayana

36 posted on 02/06/2007 7:50:45 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Westbrook

Thank you for your beautiful post! Most people today feel 'obligated' to limit the size of their families, to comply with societal norms. They neglect to consider the long term impact of such decisions, on their children.


37 posted on 02/06/2007 7:54:53 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: samson1097
I'm getting married in June.

Congratulations!

My wife (to-be) and I want four children. We're doing our part.

How about .... "My wife and I plan to have, love and cherish the number of children God sends to us".

And, if you truly care about your wife (to be), you should discuss Natural Family Planning over the use of artificial contraceptives. (see some of the posts above about the effects of hormones on a woman's body).

May your new life together as husband and wife, be blessed with joy, and happiness.

38 posted on 02/06/2007 8:03:47 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer
"If you don't want the world to turn into Saudi Arabia, maybe people other than Muslims need to start having some kids at the rate the Muslims are having kids."

Sheep are no match for wolves even when they outnumber the wolves.

We have to get rid of political correctness and multi culturalism, and deal with the real world. Show Islam for what it really is, as written in the Koran and Hadiths. - tom

39 posted on 02/06/2007 8:10:39 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: LWalk18
not to method natural family planning.

Natural Family Planning is NOT a form of contraception. It does not actively thwart conception.

It is a form of birth control, as it requires control and allows for birth.

40 posted on 02/06/2007 8:19:40 AM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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US and Britain should have claimed the oil fields of the middle east when they had the chance.

$$$ + primitive culture = trouble.

42 posted on 02/06/2007 8:26:27 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

Four daughters? Yikes! I have a son Gary who is 25, a daughter Michelle who is 23 and a son Mike who is 22. I don't think I could afford clothes and shoes for four girls, or computers and cars for four boys! LOL I love them all, but kids sure are expensive! Michelle just graudated from UT in Dec. and Mike enrolled in Concordia Irvine in Jan. Hey it's only money!


43 posted on 02/06/2007 8:27:24 AM PST by buffyt (FREE BORDER AGENTS IGNACIO RAMOS & JOSE CAMPEAN NOW!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!)
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To: marshmallow

We are seeing this in So. Cal. The illegals will outnumber everyone else by 2015. There are already many parts of LA that look like graffiti and gang encrusted Tijuana. Razor wire on top of 8 ft tall fences. Welcome to Americana.


44 posted on 02/06/2007 8:28:46 AM PST by buffyt (FREE BORDER AGENTS IGNACIO RAMOS & JOSE CAMPEAN NOW!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!)
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To: marshmallow

but 10 children per family is not realistic even for Muslims. and it will still not happen in a generation. it is problem down the road for sure. But, it is still being exagerated.


45 posted on 02/06/2007 8:38:50 AM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: Fishrrman

There is one group of westerners that are known to have high birthrates and to get married . . .

PAGING WARREN JEFFS, PAGING WARREN JEFFS . . .

Big problems require tough solutions.


46 posted on 02/06/2007 8:48:40 AM PST by Howard Jarvis Admirer (Howard Jarvis, the foe of the tax collector and friend of the California homeowner)
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To: buffyt

"Four daughters? Yikes! I have a son Gary who is 25, a daughter Michelle who is 23 and a son Mike who is 22. I don't think I could afford clothes and shoes for four girls, or computers and cars for four boys! LOL I love them all, but kids sure are expensive! Michelle just graudated from UT in Dec. and Mike enrolled in Concordia Irvine in Jan. Hey it's only money!"

Yup, all of ours is in high school. 15-16-17-18. I can never find my socks, makeup, deorderant, and forget about feminine products.
I love them all, but I can hardly wait for some alone time. LOL


47 posted on 02/06/2007 8:49:17 AM PST by GottaLuvAkitas1 (Ronald Reagan is the TRUE "Father Of Our Country".)
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To: NYer

My family at least replaced if not a bit more. I have three, my brother has one and my sister is having her fourth in August. I think my brother and sister-in-law will have one more. They were married seven years before having their first this past year...we will see.


48 posted on 02/06/2007 9:05:46 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Howard Jarvis Admirer

Hispanics have lots of children.
There is a jam of baby carts here.


49 posted on 02/06/2007 9:10:44 AM PST by jusduat (I am a strange and recurring anomaly)
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To: jusduat

But I (and even most Mexicans) do not want to live in Mexico. At least Jeffs and his crew of fundamentalist Mormon zealots speak English.


50 posted on 02/06/2007 10:39:01 AM PST by Howard Jarvis Admirer (Howard Jarvis, the foe of the tax collector and friend of the California homeowner)
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