Skip to comments.Quit blaming America: We didn't earn Islamofascists' hatred
Posted on 02/06/2007 8:00:12 AM PST by PRePublic
Quit blaming America: We didn't earn Islamofascists' hatred
February 5, 2007 BY MARY LANEY It's difficult to have calm discussions about Islamic terrorists, 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq or Iran. Too often the chats -- between friends, relatives, co-workers, or strangers on the train -- become heated and illogical. I've heard them and seen them argue. Everyone wants to place blame for the rise in violent Islamofascism. As for putting the blame somewhere, those on the extreme left and extreme right wings both place the blame on America. Instead of blaming the terrorists, these groups blame Americans. Really.
On the left, they're against the war in Iraq and have now gone so far as to state our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are mere mercenaries, being paid to fight over there and being given good benefits. They not only want us to pull out of Iraq, this group openly states there's no reason to have to "support the troops" as they have enough money and support already. One scribe even wrote this opinion in a newspaper.
At the "Peace Rally" in Washington, marchers carried signs blaming the terror attacks on America on President Bush. Then again, this group blames Bush for everything, including global warming, infertility, disease, secondhand smoke and any terrorist attack anywhere. Sen. John Kerry, speaking at a conference in Switzerland recently, referred to America as a "pariah." He was sitting next to the former president of Iran, yet never mentioned anything against Iran's current U.N.-defying nuclear buildup.
Then there are the far right-wingers who blame terrorism on America because of the television programs and movies that they consider decadent. These right-wingers state that radical Islamists had to wage war to protect their delicate culture. To this argument I might point out that their delicate culture has recently allowed them -- according to British authorities -- to allegedly plot to behead a British Muslim soldier, videotape the beheading, and post the video on the internet.
Some place the radical Muslim hate for America -- and the forming of terrorist groups -- on America's support for Israel. This view is historically void. The Muslim Brotherhood, the forefather of Hamas and al-Qaida, was founded in 1928.
In discussions there are those who will point out -- no, actually shout out -- that America's alleged atrocities at Guantanamo and the humiliation of prisoners at Abu Ghraib have made radical Muslims hate us. Actually, they've hated us for decades and plotted to attack America within our borders for years. Remember the bombing of the Twin Towers in 1993?
But what good are facts when emotions -- or politics -- are involved? Many Americans simply believe that the global war these Islamofascists are waging is all our fault.
Some believe we deserve the Muslim hatred because we invaded Iraq for the oil that is there. Members of this group say the administration lied when it said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and there was fear he might use them -- as he did when he gassed to death thousands of Kurds. It's true that no weapons of mass destruction were found. It's also true that many nations, and members of both parties in Congress, believed he had the WMDs, and said so as far back as the Clinton administration.
I don't like war. I don't like to see our nation's men and women go into battle. But I will never agree with those who say we need not support them. And I will never agree with anyone who blames America for the rise in Islamofascism or radical Muslims' violent and inhumane actions or their hate-filled rhetoric.
In the Quran, Islam's holy book, the Prophet Muhammad tells his followers to offer non-Muslims three things: Conversion, second-class citizenship, or war.
We Americans, our lifestyles, our support of Israel, our protection of Afghanistan, our actions in Iraq, didn't cause Islamofascists to hate us. They hate us because we are not Muslims. They hate us because they do not rule us. They hate us because we live with freedom and equality. They hate us because, to them, we are infidels, renegades from their true religion of Islam.
They're not offering us conversion. They are offering us war. They declared it loud, explosively and deadly in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. That's something to remember in your next discussion with friends, relatives, or co-workers.
Everytime some moron tells me we need to understand and talk to the enemy, I always say this...Tell me, did they leave a note at the WTC? YOU TELL ME...other than our total destruction, what is it that they want from us? I never get an answer.
I have yet to hear someone of the extreme right blame America.
Can we send Hillary over to chat and have tea? She would be sent back with her head in a basket, that is what the chatters would get. Hillary , stay here , keep your head and let the smart bomb do the work for you.
Oh, well I still havent heard those nut jobs blame America for islamic hatred.
He's pretty much nailed how the left is acting, but he's wrong about the "right-wingers" blaming terrorism on America. I've NEVER heard anyone from the right blame anyone but the "Religion of Peace" for terrorism. I guess this nut felt like he had to blame the right since he was blaming the left too.
The klan has held a few anti war rallies and David Duke has been very visible running around and snuggling up to folks like Assad in Syria and nutjob in Iran.
Most of them hate us too. Even Saudi Arabia plots against us behind our back.
This "war" will end two generations after they cease brainwashing their children to hate everyone who is not Islamic and stop acting like seventh century barbarians.
Folks are starting to catch on, but it's pretty close to being too late.
"engage the other countries in the region"
Isn't that what we are doing? Engaging them in war?
From the article. This absolutely not true!
"It's true that no weapons of mass destruction were found"
The WMD was found. Just not in the quantities anticipated. If intelligence was fooled, it was a good deception. But it is hard to believe there was so much intelligence saying Saddam had the stuff, I think it was hidden elsewhere. I don't think Saddam actually believed we would invade. But he may have anticipated new inspections being forced on his weapons. The stockpile will be found in the desert.
They hate us because we are not Muslims. They hate us because they do not rule us. They hate us because we live with freedom and equality.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT!
This writer is about to lose her job.
Oh c'mon! You know if we had just paid off the Barbary Pirates way back in the early 1800s like the other countries were the Islams would have no issues with us and we would all be living in a peaceful society. /sarc
The author is Mary laney...
From the article: "Then there are the far right-wingers who blame terrorism on America because of the television programs and movies that they consider decadent."
Many of us on the right, myself included, believe Islamic fundamentalists hate America partly because of what they see as our absence of values. But I (for one) don't consider this the reason why we're at war. The author is somewhat accurate, yet mostly wrong in this statement. Yet the overall premise of the article has it right; we're at war because Islam wants to conquer the World and impose its religion on everyone.
This guy just had to throw in the right didn't he? The only people I have heard blaming America and stating the terrorists are "protecting" their culture are the left wing. The right wingers who are against TV violence(or media violence to be exact)are concerned about the rise of violence(non muslim)and are NOT blaming America but the meida industry.
The book begins with a history of the Muslim attacks on the shipping and coastal villages throughout all of Europe and the Mediterranean. For well over 400 yrs these people had terrorized the people, destroying villages, raping and murdering the people, and enslaving hundreds of thousands of people. To buy peace with the Muslims, the European countries paid ransoms and tribute, which would buy a temporary lull in the attacks. And then a jihad would be called (because of any number of idiotic reasons) and they would be back at war until a new, more costly peace was purchased.
The soft-hearted liberals often feel that we caused their hatred. That just isn't so. And nothing short of all converting will ever appease them. It took Thomas Jeffereson to show the world how to handle these people... And he had to fight with his congress just as much as our current President is having to.
Slightly different perspective where how I can see this applying, with regard to our decadent society - a missionary to Dearborn MI spoke at our church last week and she said this, that because most Muslims live in countries were Islam is the official state religion, they look at America the same way. Since America is called a "Christian" country, most Muslims think that CHRISTIANITY sanctions the ridiculous behavior that they see in our various forms of media, the fact that our mainline denominations are allowing gay clergy, etc. They believe that American culture is the personification of Christianity, so they hate both entities and see them both as a threat to Islam.
Does that give them justification to murder? Of course not - more like an excuse. But for missionaries here and elsewhere trying to reach Muslims, it sure puts up a big misconception that has to be broken down.
Too often the chats -- between ... strangers on the train -- become heated and illogical. I've heard them and seen them argue.
Then there are the far right-wingers who blame terrorism on America because of the television programs and movies that they consider decadent. These right-wingers state that radical Islamists had to wage war to protect their delicate culture.
First of all, that must be some Train Ride you're on Mary. I've taken METRA a gazillion times and all the folks do is sleep, read or do the crossword puzzle. This is of course all since METRA got rid of the 'Club Car' and the booze :-)
Secondly Mary, stop hitting the bong. "Far right-wingers" do not blame America. IIRC Pat Robertson was they only 'wing-nut' who blamed America's decadence for the Islamic Fascists attacks. And Pat and his ilk are in the extreme minority with that line of thinking. So stop with the "Right Wing" nonsense.
Not that (most) television programs and movies aren't perverted, deviate, filthy trash, they are. If the Hays Production Code was brought back today I'd be pleased as punch. And Pat does have one point; We weren't being attacked when Leave It To Beaver was the top TV show and actors kept their clothes on. I really don't need to see Mel Gibson's butt, Sharon Stone's crotch, or Meryl Streep's teats. And I certainly don't want to see remakes of The Maltese Falcon, The Third Man, Shane, or The Big Sleep with nude scenes or that Citizen Kane was gay. (yuck, spit, puke!!)
You earn hatred by being good. If God had a house on earth people would break His windows.
WOW ........ is this laying it on the line or what?
The lady who wrote this letter is Pam Foster of Pamela Foster and Associates in Atlanta . She recently wrote a letter to a family member serving in Iraq ......... Read it!
"Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001 ?
Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ?
Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?
And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated" when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet?
Well, I don't. I don't care at all.
I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia
I'll care when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi tells the world he is sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.
I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.
I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.
I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.
In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.
When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest assured that I don't care.
When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank that I don't care.
When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts that I don't care.
And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran" and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and ---- you guessed it - - I don't care ! ! ! ! !
If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your e-mail friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behavior!
If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button.
Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great country.
I am not deleting this, I am sending it on, but only after
--"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem."
-- Ronald Reagan
I have another quote that I would like to add AND.......
I hope you forward this such as I have.
"If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God,
then we will be a nation gone under."
also by... Ronald Reagan
The overwhemling number of Muslims, like the overwhelming of westerners, are prisoners of their own historical and social perspectives, which prevents them from accurately assessing the danger (as this applies to of Islam) or the merits (as this applies to western society)of the opposite culture.
Muslims simply don't understand "freedom" as we do.
Westerners, shackled by political correctness, simply view Islam as just another religion and the terrorists as abberrant renegades.
When was the last time you saw a so-called moderate Muslim speak out against terrorist? Anyone? Anyone? The answer is there are no moderate Muslims. They're all natural born terrorists.
But the episode of the Barbary Pirates is but a single snapshot in the sordid history of this cult - others include the invasion and focrible conversion of western Asia and Anatolia, Egypt and North Africa, Sicily and souther Italy, and Iberia.
This is being repeated right now in the Sudan, in Egypt, in Nigeria, in India and in many other places.
A "moderate" Muslim is one who wants to use your own government, courts and laws to convert you and your children by transforming your society.
Even if our society was purged totally of what we consider purient aspects, Islam would still make war on us.
This isn't just about our view of moral degeneracy - its about Islam versus "unbelievers".
I've never heard a right winger say the things this author says they do - never.
In any event....Islamic culture is just about the most perverted there is. A huge porno industry, sex vacations in Egypt and Thailand, gay activity rampant. And if treating the females of one's culture as sex slaves isn't perverted, I don't know what is.
And if they are so incensed about our sexual/social depravity - well, why do they keep looking at it and buying it?
See links in previous message.
What about those idiots in Kansas that protest at soldiers funerals?
Good point. I guess I tend to ignore the lunatics
Very Good point! The Muslims have been fighting America since our founding. The Barbary Pirates were Muslims who were exacting tributes from all other trading nations, because they were not Muslim. America paid protection money to them, for a time, so that we could continue trading. Thomas Jefferson decided to fight them and end that practice, and did so. Those were the 'shores of Tripoli' sung about in the Marine Hymn.
Their hatred of America is nothing new, and as the author stated, doesn't stem from anything we've done. They hate us because we exist, free, and outside of Islamic control.
That turns out not to be the case.
How's about Pat Buchanan?
I didn't see your post before mentioning the pirates; I'd read it elsewhere. I'll have to look for that book!
Agreed! Good post.
In the early morning hours of All Saints' Day, November 1, 1954, guerrillas of the National Liberation Front (Front de Libération Nationale -- FLN) launched attacks in various parts of Algeria against military installations, police posts, warehouses, communications facilities, and public utilities. From Cairo, the FLN broadcast a proclamation calling on Muslims in Algeria to join in a national struggle for the "restoration of the Algerian state, sovereign, democratic, and social, within the framework of the principles of Islam."...
link - http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/alpha/algeria1954.htm
Eventually coming to a neighborhood near you.
"The Muslims have been fighting America since our founding."
And western civilization AND eastern civlization since ITS founding (Islam's).
True; Patsy's another example.
While I disagree with Dinesh's conclusions, it seems obvious to me that our society's great decadence in sexual matters provides the Islamists with a lot of unnecessary ammo.
Surely it is possible to avoid both burkification of women and the recent public competitive crotch exposure by female celebrities.
Puh-leeze. That's like saying that Dubya's pronouncing "nuclear" as "nucular" provides the Democrats with a lot of unnecessary ammo -- if Dubya possessed a command of the English language that made William F. Buckley sound like a meth-addled hillbilly, the Democrats would simply find some other angle and use it in exactly the same way.
Of course they would. My point is that our in-your-face sexual depravity probably helps recruit more members to the Islamist cause.
Perhaps this is the inevitable price of freedom.
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