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Stop the US daylight saving madness!
The Register ^ | Feb. 6, 2007 | OUT-LAW.com (Pinsent Masons)

Posted on 02/06/2007 11:44:25 AM PST by snarkpup

US plans to change daylight saving hours this spring could wreak havoc on computer systems, Gartner claims. The analyst firm said utomated systems could run haywire this March.

Disruptions could affect calendars, billing programs and security systems as well as undermining automated trading systems.

(Excerpt) Read more at theregister.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: daylight; savings; weredoomed; y2k
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1 posted on 02/06/2007 11:44:27 AM PST by snarkpup
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To: snarkpup

I like the change..... More daylight in the evening which is more useful than in the morning. I already got my computers changed for the update. Pretty easy with Unix systems.


2 posted on 02/06/2007 11:46:24 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: snarkpup

Y2K all over again. I'm underwhelmed


3 posted on 02/06/2007 11:46:52 AM PST by Vermonter
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To: snarkpup

They're not planning to.....they're going to.


4 posted on 02/06/2007 11:47:07 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily. Apply Sparingly.)
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To: snarkpup

Oh good grief!! Don't any of these people know how to change their clock and calendar ..?? Sheeeeeeesh!!


5 posted on 02/06/2007 11:47:40 AM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: snarkpup

Should I re-stock the Y2K bunker?

I don't think Daylight Savings Time needs to be altered...but this is idiotic.


6 posted on 02/06/2007 11:48:25 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: snarkpup
aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
7 posted on 02/06/2007 11:48:38 AM PST by GulfBreeze (I Like Duncan Hunter for the GOP Presidential Nomination in 2008)
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To: snarkpup

What's the problem? We've got our Solaris patches, our Oracle patches, our Java patches.

It only takes about 12 hours to apply them to each server, and there are just a few thousand servers to do.

We'll just need a couple of weekend outages.


8 posted on 02/06/2007 11:48:50 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: snarkpup

Move the time 1/2 hour, then leave it alone!


9 posted on 02/06/2007 11:50:07 AM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

I've still got 50 rolls of toilet paper and three cases of MRE's left over from Y2K.


10 posted on 02/06/2007 11:50:20 AM PST by CholeraJoe (The only Americans who need to know where Syria is are the navigators on the bombers.)
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To: snarkpup

Well, this time the libs really will be able to say "Bush did it!"


11 posted on 02/06/2007 11:50:42 AM PST by PeterFinn (The end of islam is the beginning of peace.)
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To: snarkpup
I love daylight savings time. Global warming is pretty nice, too. It just doesn't go far enough.
12 posted on 02/06/2007 11:51:43 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: snarkpup

I already drank up all the bottled water I saved for Y2K during the Power Blackout of '03.


13 posted on 02/06/2007 11:51:53 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: proxy_user

However, the UK datacenter managers were really annoyed when they were told they were not impacted, but had to apply the patches anyway, 'just in case'.


14 posted on 02/06/2007 11:52:08 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: snarkpup

I agree!!!


15 posted on 02/06/2007 11:52:41 AM PST by Perdogg (Happy 2007)
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To: snarkpup

if they could find enough old programmers who could write binary and COBAL to save the world from the 00-doom I'm not worried. As a matter of fact I just set my Windows XP clock ahead an hour myself to get an early start on happy hour.


16 posted on 02/06/2007 11:52:53 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If voting really changed things, it would be illegal.)
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To: CORedneck
I like the change..... More daylight in the evening which is more useful than in the morning.

Then get up earlier, and leave my clock alone. I prefer more light in the morning.

17 posted on 02/06/2007 11:52:53 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: proxy_user

12 hours?

I hope you mean 1/2 hour!

I've never heard of a patch that took 12 hours to apply ...

D


18 posted on 02/06/2007 11:53:08 AM PST by daviddennis (If you like my stuff, please visit amazing.com, my new social networking site!)
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To: snarkpup

Oh no, don`t tell me I`m going to have to re-build my 300 foot underground concrete, lead lined and steel reinforced bomb shelter that I dismantled after Y2K. Getting the 10 years of canned good out of there was bad enough, now I am going to have to put it all back in? Actualy I was going to do it anyway in preparation of Hellary becoming next POTUS.


19 posted on 02/06/2007 11:53:18 AM PST by Screamname (Guinness world records reports that the record for youngest living person is constantly being broken)
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To: dynachrome

How about recognize the clock is based on physical astronomical positioning - and leave it alone!


20 posted on 02/06/2007 11:54:06 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: snarkpup

I like the change.
I'd make it TWO hours if it were up to me.
I'd also make it all year.
I don't care if the rest of the globe doesn't like it, I do.


21 posted on 02/06/2007 11:55:07 AM PST by BuffaloJack
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To: PeterFinn

The biggest problem id that European airpotrs have refused to allow US carriers to adjust their slot departures and arrivals in Europe until the first week of April....Thus this is what is going to happen.....

Say Continental Flight 123 leaves FRA arrives at 1200 arrives at IAH at 1400....FRA is not allowing CO to adjust the departure time to reflect the DST in March. So CO 123 wil lstill leave FRA at 1200, problem is it will arrive in IAH at 1500, not 1400. The one hour later arrival will cause massive misconnects in IAH...ie if you need 60 minutes to connect from I to D and the AUS flight leaves IAH at 1530, it will misconnect from FRA with the new forced 1500 arrival time.....


22 posted on 02/06/2007 11:55:49 AM PST by Oct1967
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To: snarkpup

It's a done deal.


23 posted on 02/06/2007 11:56:40 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: BuffaloJack

Then just change your schedule LOL


24 posted on 02/06/2007 11:58:06 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: snarkpup
One of the few thinks that Ben Franklin dreamed up that I think was utterly foolish.
25 posted on 02/06/2007 11:58:29 AM PST by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: BuffaloJack

So do I and I would make it all year too.


26 posted on 02/06/2007 11:58:52 AM PST by Let's Roll ("...given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor - you will have war"- W.Churchill)
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To: Oct1967

Why not just jump GMT ahead 1 hour then leave it alone.


27 posted on 02/06/2007 11:59:03 AM PST by InkYouBuss_007 (This one is escaping the Cuckoo's nest)
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To: snarkpup
I use this:

Cmdtime 3 is easy-to-use command-line utility which adjusts computer's date and time via Internet Time Servers. It's recommended to use it either standalone, or in batch-files, or with external shedulers.

Download Cmdtime 3 (57k Zip archive)

I like it because most of the utilities I found wanted to stay resident in the System Tray... Rather than synchonizing at given periods of time, for me it's enough to synchronize the clock at Windows startup.

28 posted on 02/06/2007 11:59:09 AM PST by wizecrakker (Trying to behave)
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To: CholeraJoe
I guess you've got to resupply. The end of the time is coming you know...
:)
29 posted on 02/06/2007 11:59:50 AM PST by kinoxi
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To: proxy_user

Apparently MS came out with their patch in January but it failed.


30 posted on 02/06/2007 12:01:23 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: snarkpup

I'm going to save my hour until I really need it. What will you do with yours?


31 posted on 02/06/2007 12:01:38 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: snarkpup

Didn't we hear this same warning approximately, oh, seven years ago? All the computers were gonna crash, water systems go down, commerce halt, and civilization was facing its ultimate doom?

As far as I'm concerned, if moving the clocks ahead an hour means THAT much to the politicians, just move the clock ahead one hour NOW, and LEAVE the freaking thing alone!

"But my kids will have to go to school in the dark in the winter."

"Suck it up, Princess, EVERY kid north of the Oregon/Cali border ends up going to school when it's dark out in the wintertime. Some in the further north regions GO HOME in the dark, too. Grow up!"

Daylight saving time has been proven to CAUSE a major spike in road carnage due to overtired drivers. There is a slight (not even close to commensurate) dip in the carnage stats when DST is reversed. This current scheme is going to exacerbate BOTH the extremes of the stats. MORE carnage when begun, LESS decrease when over.

"The grain don't care what time it is!" No, DST was definitely NOT put in for the farmers. Canada's Saskatchewan and several farming states do NOT conform to DST, as there is no reason for them to.

As far as I am concerned, DST is nothing but another attempt by the government to condition the public into obeying inane edicts. DST might have made sense during the first world war, but it serves NO purpose in our 24/7/365 society of today, other than disruption.


32 posted on 02/06/2007 12:01:39 PM PST by Don W (Stoneage man survived thousands of years of bitter-cold ice. Modern man WILLsurvive global warming.)
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To: dynachrome
Move the time 1/2 hour, then leave it alone!

Just go forward an hour and leave it there. Pick a time, stick with it. It's all relative anyway.

33 posted on 02/06/2007 12:02:28 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: snarkpup
Flashback to Y2K

Y2K Test

34 posted on 02/06/2007 12:03:10 PM PST by Domandred
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To: PeterFinn

Naw, he just got rolled again. This was part of the Energy Bill of last year (which still didn't allow us to drill in ANWR). It gives tax breaks to Big Oil if they build refineries, but since has been used as a stick to beat the President over the head with.


35 posted on 02/06/2007 12:03:50 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: CholeraJoe
I've still got 50 rolls of toilet paper

Consider yourself lucky you don't have to use corn cobs.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1780080/posts

36 posted on 02/06/2007 12:04:05 PM PST by processing please hold (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: snarkpup
Disruptions could affect calendars, billing programs and security systems as well as undermining automated trading systems.

Not to mention the extra hour of daylight will burn up my lawn, we're already restricted to watering once a week. ;oP

37 posted on 02/06/2007 12:04:26 PM PST by ladtx ("It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it." -- -- General Douglas MacArthur)
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To: snarkpup

I say this out of ignorance. Why don’t folks get up an hour earlier or later, depending on the season, and keep the same clock time.

Since I live in the tropics, our clocks don’t change because we are between 7 and 9 degrees from the equator. We only have about 1-1/2 hours difference between spring up and fall down…or whatever the saying is.

Many folks I know in the U.S. don’t bother to change their clocks. They just remember to add or subtract time.


38 posted on 02/06/2007 12:04:43 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: CORedneck

It's a stupid change. There's no more daylight anywhere, all it changes is what your clock says while the sun is at some point in the sky it was already going to be at. Daylight savings is hands down the stupidest damn thing mankind has ever come up with.


39 posted on 02/06/2007 12:04:53 PM PST by discostu (Feed her some hungry reggae, she'll love you twice)
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To: ctdonath2

If not for DST, sunrise in summer would be at 4:30. Who in their right mind, (farmers aside) gets up that early? It's wasted.


40 posted on 02/06/2007 12:05:52 PM PST by RockinRight (What I want in '08: Gingrich's politics, Reagan's appeal, and Tancredo's immigration stance.)
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To: CORedneck
I like the change..... More daylight in the evening which is more useful than in the morning. I already got my computers changed for the update. Pretty easy with Unix systems.

Better take another look. We have to change all our Unix servers. The OS portion is pretty easy, but LOTS of applications require work as well.

41 posted on 02/06/2007 12:05:53 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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patch your time servers and use ntp.


42 posted on 02/06/2007 12:05:59 PM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: Vermonter

Actually this one probably is going to screw things up. Mostly because of the lack of warning, Y2K was a non-problem because the software industry was working on it for years, most software companies didn't even bother to think about the new DST start and end times until December or so, and the MS patches for it are a little iffy.


43 posted on 02/06/2007 12:06:52 PM PST by discostu (Feed her some hungry reggae, she'll love you twice)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

java, system controllers, firmware, bios...lotsa fun things to mess with. Sucks too cause tzupdater.jar does not suport 1.3.1


44 posted on 02/06/2007 12:07:01 PM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: InkYouBuss_007

Because then, in most parts of the US the sun wouldn't rise in winter until 8:00 or later.


45 posted on 02/06/2007 12:07:07 PM PST by RockinRight (What I want in '08: Gingrich's politics, Reagan's appeal, and Tancredo's immigration stance.)
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To: Vermonter

>>Y2K all over again. I'm underwhelmed<<

If we had not fixed it, you would be quite OVERwhelmed.


46 posted on 02/06/2007 12:07:55 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: discostu

It saves energy on a large scale from what I understand.


47 posted on 02/06/2007 12:08:00 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
Why don’t folks get up an hour earlier or later, depending on the season, and keep the same clock time.

Because they're dumbasses!

Daylight savings time is idiotic, like the metric system.
48 posted on 02/06/2007 12:08:01 PM PST by marsh_of_mists
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To: Don W

I like DST.

Why? Because I often work late in summer. And with DST, June 21 sunset is at 9:02, not 8:02. If I have to go to work at the time the clock says, at least with DST I have an hour more daylight when I get home from work.


49 posted on 02/06/2007 12:08:38 PM PST by RockinRight (What I want in '08: Gingrich's politics, Reagan's appeal, and Tancredo's immigration stance.)
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To: discostu

Just another unintended consequence of the do-gooders in Congress, who would bring back the 55 mph speed limit if they could get away with it. Just another unfunded mandate of the federal gooberment.


50 posted on 02/06/2007 12:09:30 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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