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Firearms Industry Warns: Giuliani No Friend to Gun Owners
National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) ^ | February 6, 2007 | Ted Novin

Posted on 02/06/2007 12:08:48 PM PST by 300magnum

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To: LetsRok

Yes, and....? I'm not sure I understand your point here.

Are you saying that the residents of NYC rights are not recognized by the US Constitution? That there are people outside NYC who have rights, but people inside NYC's political boundaries who don't, simply because the "majority" of people inside those political boundaries claim to not want said rights?

I really don't care if someone is a mayor, governor, member of Congress or anything else -- if the people they represent are Americans, then those people have individual liberties as recognized (but not limited to) the Bill of Rights and if a mayor, governor, etc takes an oath to uphold the US Constitution, well then, I don't really give a fat rat's rear end what the "majority" wants. The point of our system of government is that individual rights are "inalienable" -- meaning that even if you want to dispose and disclaim them, you can't, absent an amendment to the Constitution.


The Rudy Express is going to wash up on a sandbar as soon as his record on a host of issues becomes more public. Right now, the public isn't paying attention to this early candidate BS.

Was Rudy an effective NY Mayor? Maybe. He certainly was better than David Dinkens, and the other goofball left-wing tinkerbells that ran against him. If Rudy is the best the GOP can muster for 2008, they might as well close up shop, because they won't win the presidency for another generation.

What we have here is someone with a rock-star reputation for his handling of 9/11. That's it, nothing more.


261 posted on 02/06/2007 4:37:00 PM PST by NVDave
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To: California Patriot
I think he'll run. If he does, I think he can win.


262 posted on 02/06/2007 4:38:33 PM PST by SJackson (Let a thousand flowers bloom and let all our rifles be aimed at the occupation, Abu Mazen 1/11/07)
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To: SJackson

"GWB would have signed the assault weapons ban, but Kerry would have pushed for it. This issue is impacted from the bottom up, it's important to focus on our representatives ..."

Exactly. Mega-dittoes.


263 posted on 02/06/2007 4:38:45 PM PST by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: SJackson

I would love to be proven wrong on both counts.


264 posted on 02/06/2007 4:39:17 PM PST by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: mcshot; Mini-14
In post 92 by Mini-14 is her testimony on video,
I don't understand the name change unless she married.


Here's the video of Suzanne Hupp testifying before congress.

http://www.washingtonceasefire.com/content/view/23/35/
265 posted on 02/06/2007 4:44:22 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: SJackson

#151 was enlightening. He does believe in gun control....less in some areas than others. He's presenting it as a "states rights" issue.

As if freedom of the press were a state's rights issue. New Mexico doesn't need the same level of free speech as does Michigan because Michigan has "more rich people who can overcome the voice of the individual." (Just an example I dreamed up.)

I agree with you that positions can evolve. My question is, given that fact, what can be done to determine if it is a true evolution or a politically expedient one.


266 posted on 02/06/2007 4:49:17 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Afronaut
Abortion
Borders
Guns
Gay Unions

That's it? That's the sum-total of what conservatism stands for today? A rather anemic shadow of itself, I would say.

267 posted on 02/06/2007 4:54:33 PM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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To: xzins

In Rudy's case I don't see an evolution on this one. He embraces his former positions. You're correct that while reasonable, hate that word, regulation may be a state issue, the federal role is protecting the broad constitutional right of the individual to bear arms. As mayor, if he can get away with handgun bans and the like, I'd oppose him, but recognize that what he does in NY might not effect me. But now he's bringing that mindset to the national stage. Abusive firearms regulation is not the right of the states, even if the have large urban populations.


268 posted on 02/06/2007 4:56:41 PM PST by SJackson (Let a thousand flowers bloom and let all our rifles be aimed at the occupation, Abu Mazen 1/11/07)
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To: dynoman
Never could understand that if we have a right to keep and bear arms why we have to have a permit to carry one. I agree with one of the other posters the 2nd Amend is not about keeping guns to go hunting, it was about keeping guns for our own protection from enemies foreign and domestic. At the time these laws came into effect we had fought Indian wars, a revolution, more Indian wars and had three foreign nations on our borders inciting Indians to kill our people. And that was not including protecting yourself from criminals. With the criminals and terrorist in our midst today we would be insane as a nation to let anyone take our weapons.
269 posted on 02/06/2007 4:57:36 PM PST by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Mini-14

I think I recall you're from Illinois. Have you seen the Cook County assault weapons ban? They ban the Mini-14 by name, the Ranch Rifle is fine. Laws are written by morons.


270 posted on 02/06/2007 4:58:21 PM PST by SJackson (Let a thousand flowers bloom and let all our rifles be aimed at the occupation, Abu Mazen 1/11/07)
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To: My2Cents

Your being silly again.


271 posted on 02/06/2007 4:59:04 PM PST by Afronaut (Supporting Republican Liberals is the Undeniable End to Freedom)
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To: Antoninus
I can only theorize that the Rudy boosters are either hopelessly naive or closet Hillary supporters.

I think it's a combination of the personal, emotional attachment many developed after 9/11, the pro-abortion wing of the party trying to assert itself and a lot of people who fundamentally agree with the 2nd Amendment but have don't any real personal stake in it (or so they think, because they don't own firearms).

I think among the pro-aborts, you might find some closet Hillary supporters. Otherwise, I just don't think people are thinking this through.

Fortunately, there's still time.

272 posted on 02/06/2007 4:59:56 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard ("and alllll the children are insane")
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To: Mini-14

Never mind, I should have looked for your state flag first. Have to admit, it's funny.


273 posted on 02/06/2007 5:00:04 PM PST by SJackson (Let a thousand flowers bloom and let all our rifles be aimed at the occupation, Abu Mazen 1/11/07)
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To: SJackson

I think it's Blackwater, Inc. that proves that individuals do have their own armies.

I don't think it makes sense to allow a state to trump a constitutional right. Therefore, I must have explained myself poorly. New York should NOT be able to impose gun laws that restrict 2d amendment rights.


274 posted on 02/06/2007 5:01:13 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins
I agree with you.

I think Rudy is wrong on that issue, as well as on the extent of permissable state regulation. Bar gun ownership for all felons or only violent felons, I see that as a legitimate state issue, though the Feds have usurped it already. What kind of firearm I can own, that should be a federal issue, in the context of my right as a law abiding citizen to own pretty much anything I want.

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In anticipation of a "do you want everyone to own machine guns" response, machine guns are legal, you just pay the license fee, and I can buy a cannon if I want. The issue here is banning arms, the plain vanilla variety, on largely cosmetic grounds in violation of the second amendment.

275 posted on 02/06/2007 5:07:51 PM PST by SJackson (Let a thousand flowers bloom and let all our rifles be aimed at the occupation, Abu Mazen 1/11/07)
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To: xzins
I think it's Blackwater, Inc. that proves that individuals do have their own armies.

If armies that support our army are armies, individuals do. It's getting a bit far afield in this context, Rudy would ban handguns, but considering the Constitution was written in the age of letters of marquis, I think the founders would be rather liberal in their interpretation of what citizens could own.

276 posted on 02/06/2007 5:11:24 PM PST by SJackson (Let a thousand flowers bloom and let all our rifles be aimed at the occupation, Abu Mazen 1/11/07)
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To: SJackson
It's part of the constitution. People have the right to bear arms. Then restrictions have to be reasonable and sensible. You can't just remove that right. You got to regulate consistent with the second amendment

This statement alone proves that Rudy is grossly ignorant of the Constitution.

277 posted on 02/06/2007 5:12:27 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: jmc813
This statement alone proves that Rudy is grossly ignorant of the Constitution.

You're not familiar with the "reasonable and sensible" clause? It's in code on the back of one of the pages, right under the right to privacy. With a Supreme Court decoder ring, you can't miss it.

278 posted on 02/06/2007 5:14:37 PM PST by SJackson (Let a thousand flowers bloom and let all our rifles be aimed at the occupation, Abu Mazen 1/11/07)
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To: SJackson
It appears Rudy would have no problem keeping them out of the hands of urban dwellers.

In other words, blacks.

279 posted on 02/06/2007 5:14:42 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: California Patriot
And if nominated, Newt -- very unfortunately -- wouldn't win.

Newt would obliterate Hillary in a general election.

Watch this woman closely. She's the worst campaigner you're ever going to see. Yes, worse than John Kerry. She's a totalitarian sound-bite machine and she has a voice like a car alarm. I don't care how much money she has, I don't care if ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN play Pachabel's "Canon" every time she speaks. Without a third party candidate, she cannot and will not win.

And having no pro-life, pro-2A candidate in a national race leaves the third-party spoiler door off the hinge.

280 posted on 02/06/2007 5:15:55 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard ("and alllll the children are insane")
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