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James Lileks: Don't Underestimate Giuliani (And Newt still can't win!)
The Newhouse News Service ^ | February 6, 2007 | James Lileks

Posted on 02/06/2007 6:08:59 PM PST by quidnunc

Rudy Giuliani is in. Suggested campaign slogan: "He dealt with Brooklyn. He can handle Baghdad.'' He's not a sure thing; he has enough baggage to fill the cargo hold of a cruise ship. His sundry personal-life issues bother social conservatives; the gun control stance dismays the Second Amendment wing of the party; the pro-choice opinions alarm the evangelicals. That leaves about 47 Republicans, right? After all, it's just a party of cousin-marrying yahoos who'd sooner shoot up Planned Parenthood than vote for one of those fish-on-Friday types. Right?

No. Voters are more flexible and forgiving than you might expect. And none of the objections obscure the central appeal of the Rudy candidacy: He'll nuke 'em if he has to. That won't be the central theme of his campaign, of course, but it's the unstated strength of his candidacy. He's not a wuss. Look at the rest of the field:

Mitt Romney. He's a heavy fave, but the M-word makes his support in the evangelical community unsure. Many will vote for him, since he's an all-around moral guy, and no one wants a public debate over doctrinal differences. Other evangelicals regard his faith as something between David Koresh and Scientology, and would rather vote for Joe Lieberman. (Him you could convert!) Romney has an abortion flip-flop to confront, which softens his support as well. He's a solid candidate thus far because he's, well, solid: He appears hewn from the Presidential Quarry.

On the other hand, he could be a genial cyborg from an invading race. Wouldn't exactly surprise anyone.

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Newt. The right loves Newt, just as the left loves Clinton. Newt's about six times smarter than Bill Clinton, but lacks the former president's oleaginous charisma. Could he win? Never. And probably just as well. President Newt would respond to a terrorist attack with a brilliant plan — radical, simple, old wisdom and dazzling new thinking in a brilliant synthesis. Unfortunately, it would involve time travel or orbital space lasers.

1 posted on 02/06/2007 6:09:02 PM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

LOL!


2 posted on 02/06/2007 6:10:20 PM PST by Miss Marple (Prayers for Jemian's son,: Lord, please keep him safe and bring him home .)
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To: quidnunc

I like the fact that the left thinks that Newt can't win.


3 posted on 02/06/2007 6:15:18 PM PST by etradervic (Newt in '08)
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To: quidnunc

Newt was best as an intellectual leader or back bench bomb thrower. He was not an effective Speaker and has no chance whatever of getting elected POTUS. I think he knows that.


4 posted on 02/06/2007 6:15:54 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: quidnunc

Good piece. Lileks is a good writer.

McCain has been on my "absolutely not, not under any circumstance" list, all alone, I hadn't even included Hagel on that list as bad as he is because I simply didn't take him seriously.

I still don't take him seriously. But he's fought his way onto the list, right there next to McCain. So now there are two.

For the rest, my litmus tests are two:

#1, your name isn't "McCain" or "Hagel" and

#2, you understand we are at war, and are prepared to lead us through.

I've got a wish list that follows number two, but number two is basic. Its survival of the Republic.


5 posted on 02/06/2007 6:17:36 PM PST by marron
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Anti-Bubba182 wrote: Newt was best as an intellectual leader or back bench bomb thrower. He was not an effective Speaker and has no chance whatever of getting elected POTUS. I think he knows that.

Newt has an enormous ego, I wouldn't bet that he realizes he's unelectable.

6 posted on 02/06/2007 6:22:33 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
My favorite line:

"As milllions of Democrat wives will say, 'I don't know how he could have won. My husband swore he voted for Hillary."

Huge laugh at that one!

7 posted on 02/06/2007 6:23:25 PM PST by Miss Marple (Prayers for Jemian's son,: Lord, please keep him safe and bring him home .)
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To: quidnunc

The right loves Newt? Don't really think so.


8 posted on 02/06/2007 6:24:12 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

You said it!


9 posted on 02/06/2007 6:24:48 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: quidnunc

He is vain but not stupid. If enough people hit him between the eyes with a two-by-four he will get the message.


10 posted on 02/06/2007 6:25:10 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Miss Marple; Howlin

LOL........ entertaining read in the midst of all this bloviating going on.

Howlin, click the link and read....

Fred Thompson hasn't declared, but should. He has been waging a stealth campaign simply by appearing as a guest host for Paul Harvey. He sounds like a man with his boots on the desk and a star on his chest. As a veep, he would make John Edwards look like Peter Pan. For the debate, Edwards might as well show up in green tights.


11 posted on 02/06/2007 6:26:53 PM PST by deport
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To: quidnunc

I would vote for him.
He is the most convervative.
He is the most experienced.
He understands history and what it means.
He would destroy ANY Dem in debates.
He is a good public speaker, no more marbles.
And the Dems absolutely HATE him because they know he is deadly to their cause.


12 posted on 02/06/2007 6:27:25 PM PST by biff
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To: quidnunc

I don't know quite how to say this but I'm going to give it a try. I think Newt is brilliant as a thinker, an expounder of ideas, a debater. But I suspect a flaw in his character which seems to lead him to put himself first.

Giuliani strikes me as someone who has character flaws, but does not let them infect his work, his public goals.

Understand that we are way out in front of the usual timetable for selecting a presidential candidate because of a number of things, one of which is that the Clintons have given us a 24/7/365 campaign in place of governance.

I refuse to be forced into rejection of or jumping onto any candidate love machine so far in advance of the actual primaries. But I am not going to be driven by the "he wasn't against this or that from birth" crowd or the leftists who come here to denigrate our candidates...and make no mistake, they are here.

Holding our horses and keeping our eyes open would seem to be a wise thing to do.


13 posted on 02/06/2007 6:29:19 PM PST by Bahbah (.Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: quidnunc

I don't think Newt can win, but I'd like to see him run so that his ideas get full exposure to the electorate.


14 posted on 02/06/2007 6:31:42 PM PST by expatpat
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To: deport; Howlin
I just love James Lileks. He is simply funny, and I think there is some truth in a great deal of his humor, especially in this piece.

I also liked the line about Mitt looking like he came from the presidential quarry, and the later one that no one would be surprised if he turned out to be an android. HA!

Also the description of McCain was spot on!

And I think Howlin can appreciate the visual of Edwards in green tights. Snort!

15 posted on 02/06/2007 6:32:53 PM PST by Miss Marple (Prayers for Jemian's son,: Lord, please keep him safe and bring him home .)
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To: Dog Gone; PhiKapMom

A light hearted read with some truth mixed in....


16 posted on 02/06/2007 6:33:22 PM PST by deport
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To: quidnunc
So lefts send Rudy to Baghdad to solve things there! I love Rudy for his ability to govern and reform. But I will guarantee you something more certain than the fact that the sun will rise tomorrow.

If Rudy were the GOP nominee, the MSM and the DNC will spend six months using Rudy's hedonistic social agenda to attack every GOP voter and every GOP officeholder. They will relentlessly drive GOP voters away from Rudy in the general election by putting pictures of him in drag, grand marshalling gay pride parades, holding press conferences with feminists and calling putting Pat Robertson, Dobson, Falwell and anybody else on TV to comment on how they approve of Rudy being married three times and cheating on his last wife.

Whoever runs at the DNC/MSM candidate will simply avoid speaking to the media or the public for the last 4 months of the campaign except for TV ads where they will appear with puppies, children, old people and fake doctors and nurses. It won't matter because we will be spending the last 6 months trying to explain how a party with the platform we have is going to support a candidate who governed for 8 years in direct opposition to it.

If you remember how much time the MSM spent trying to put some meat on the Bush-Was-A-Cokehead story, now think of what it would be like if there were video of Bush doing cocaine before appearing at an anti-drug rally?

17 posted on 02/06/2007 6:35:08 PM PST by bpjam (Never Give Up, Never Surrender (Unless James Baker gives you permission))
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To: biff

Is Keyes running again?.....


18 posted on 02/06/2007 6:35:56 PM PST by deport
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To: marron
You have a point. The GOP seems to have triangualted itself into a corner. Here's the choices, as I see 'em:

1. "We'll show 'em" by staying at home if the candidate doesn't follow my agendae strictly down the line." We tried that this year. Keep it up for another couple of elections and we'll all be facing Mecca.

2. The lamestream leaders, McCain, Rudy, and Rumknee. The media anointed 'em which makes them look suspect. But for the most part they say the right thing about terrorism. They may have personal baggage that makes them less palatable to the more religious.

3. The good old timey back of the pack which is wussing out on terrorism. That's Brownback, Hagel, and Huckelberry. Of this group, I don't care about your personal faith. None of that matters if you surrender to Islam.

19 posted on 02/06/2007 6:36:33 PM PST by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: quidnunc
IMHO, best quote from the column:
Chuck Hagel. Comes in last in most seven-man straw polls. No. 6 is usually "A ham sandwich.'' The sandwich is pro-choice, too.
20 posted on 02/06/2007 6:37:02 PM PST by RebelBanker (May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.)
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To: quidnunc

"Fred Thompson hasn't declared, but should. He has been waging a stealth campaign simply by appearing as a guest host for Paul Harvey. He sounds like a man with his boots on the desk and a star on his chest. As a veep, he would make John Edwards look like Peter Pan. For the debate, Edwards might as well show up in green tights."

I still like a Thompson/ Hunter ticket.


21 posted on 02/06/2007 6:37:50 PM PST by Beagle8U (SNICKERS......Its packed with fudge !)
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To: areafiftyone

Check this one out! James Lileks nails it with this one - with humor ;-)


22 posted on 02/06/2007 6:38:12 PM PST by RebelBanker (May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.)
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To: quidnunc
After all, it's just a party of cousin-marrying yahoos who'd sooner shoot up Planned Parenthood than vote for one of those fish-on-Friday types. Right?

Dear lord, I am dying here!

Without fail, you post the absolute BEST articles on this site!

23 posted on 02/06/2007 6:39:45 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: deport

LOL..........I love that!


24 posted on 02/06/2007 6:40:56 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: marron

I can vote with you, man!


25 posted on 02/06/2007 6:41:39 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: A Citizen Reporter; McGavin999; JeanS; Carolinamom; Peach; Rex Anderson; PDR; nopardons; ...

You have got to read this.


26 posted on 02/06/2007 6:44:10 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Beagle8U

Then HONK!!!!


27 posted on 02/06/2007 6:44:43 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: RebelBanker

Thanks for the ping! Too Funny! You are right - he nails it!


28 posted on 02/06/2007 6:44:50 PM PST by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: Howlin

FOTFLOL!


29 posted on 02/06/2007 6:45:07 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: Blackirish; Jameison; Sabramerican; BunnySlippers; tkathy; veronica; Roccus; Jake The Goose; ...

((( Rudy Ping))))


30 posted on 02/06/2007 6:46:24 PM PST by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: Beagle8U

Edwards in green tights??? LMAO!!


31 posted on 02/06/2007 6:46:29 PM PST by sissyjane (Mr. Nifong, you've picked on the wrong families and you will pay for the rest of your life)
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To: etradervic

Many people on the right think so too.


32 posted on 02/06/2007 6:46:32 PM PST by TAdams8591
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To: Anti-Bubba182

What about VPOTUS on a Giuliani ticket?


33 posted on 02/06/2007 6:47:37 PM PST by AZLiberty (Tag to let -- 50 cents.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
After all, it's just a party of cousin-marrying yahoos ...

Interesting description there considering who this article is about. ;).

34 posted on 02/06/2007 6:48:14 PM PST by cgk (Republicanism didn't make Conservatives a majority. Conservatism made Republicans a majority. [NEWT])
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To: Howlin

uh huh.... well, the day of reckoning will soon be at hand. Fortunately, the GOP primary electorate is broader than the numnuts on the fringe. Rudy would be good Newt would be good. Lots of people would be good - but I'm not making the decision by myself. And I learned a long time ago the guy in the room who is most sure he's right usually isn't.


35 posted on 02/06/2007 6:48:34 PM PST by PDR
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To: bpjam
If Rudy were the GOP nominee, the MSM and the DNC will spend six months using Rudy's hedonistic social agenda to attack every GOP voter and every GOP officeholder. They will relentlessly drive GOP voters away from Rudy in the general election by putting pictures of him in drag, grand marshalling gay pride parades, holding press conferences with feminist

The right will take Rudy down ASAP.

36 posted on 02/06/2007 6:48:38 PM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: sissyjane
Chuck Hagel. Comes in last in most seven-man straw polls. No. 6 is usually "A ham sandwich.'' The sandwich is pro-choice, too.

This thing is jammed packed with nuggets!

37 posted on 02/06/2007 6:48:44 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: deport

As good of an insight as I've seen this far out from the first vote being cast...


38 posted on 02/06/2007 6:49:17 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: quidnunc

This is one of the best posts I've read in a long time. Thanks for the post! It nails everything in a hilarious way!


39 posted on 02/06/2007 6:49:33 PM PST by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: Howlin
Dear lord, I am dying here!

Without fail, you post the absolute BEST articles on this site!

Properly exerpted of course. Cheers,

knewshound

Latest piece; Queer Eye for a Dictator Guy

40 posted on 02/06/2007 6:50:34 PM PST by knews_hound (Sarcastically blogging since 2004.)
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To: quidnunc

Let's see. According to political comments here and there, Giuliani married his second cousin, divorced twice, and lived with a couple of homosexuals. Quite a few pictures of him in drag have been posted. It's no surprise at all that a handful of noisy subscribers are pushing him here.


41 posted on 02/06/2007 6:53:13 PM PST by familyop
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To: areafiftyone
This is great, LOL.

"Fred Thompson hasn't declared, but should. He has been waging a stealth campaign simply by appearing as a guest host for Paul Harvey. He sounds like a man with his boots on the desk and a star on his chest. As a veep, he would make John Edwards look like Peter Pan. For the debate, Edwards might as well show up in green tights."

42 posted on 02/06/2007 6:54:03 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Bahbah
"one of which is that the Clintons have given us a 24/7/365 campaign in place of governance."

Sigh, I think you are right.

I'm not nearly ready to end one campaign and immediately start another one.

Great article by Lileks, as always.

43 posted on 02/06/2007 6:54:49 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: biff

Ditto


44 posted on 02/06/2007 6:55:33 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Howlin

Great article....are you channeling Lileks in your tagline??


45 posted on 02/06/2007 6:55:41 PM PST by Txsleuth
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To: Howlin

That was my favorite.


46 posted on 02/06/2007 6:56:30 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Newt came up with the Contract With America, and led the R-cans to Majority. He got the budget cuts and welfare reform through the house, which led to deficit reductions.

Alas, he is a serial adulterer. Rudy too, alas. I wonder, why cant I find a governor (or other experienced executive) who:

1. Is pro Liberty for honest citizens (pro-gun rights)
2. Intends to inflict a new "Operation Wetback" on illegal aliens, followed by increased efficiency in the process for legal immigrants
3. Will fight the War on Terror hard, taking the fight to our enemies in Syria and Iran, using some of the 72,000 soldiers now in Germany.
4. Will continue a strong economy by the only policy that works every time it is tried: careful tax cuts.


47 posted on 02/06/2007 6:57:18 PM PST by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: Txsleuth; jellybean

No, jellybean started this "draft Thompson" weeks ago.

Freepers are, without fail, always ahead of the curve!


48 posted on 02/06/2007 6:59:17 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: BunnySlippers
"The right will take Rudy down ASAP."

That reminds me, I had to LOL at MORT and MOIRA on Brit's panel tonight. They were offering up all of the "right's" objections to Rudy. I really like to hear what the right thinks from the likes of PBS's Moira Liasson.

It just tells me how many left winger's we have on FR, posing as Right wingers.

49 posted on 02/06/2007 6:59:34 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: expatpat

Newt could win. If conservatives vote conservative and not for the 'electable' candidate. This is only one of a long list of problems with conservatives, letting leftists tell us who can (Rudy) or can't (Newt) win. I personally don't see much difference between Bill Clinton and Rudy Giuliani.


50 posted on 02/06/2007 6:59:48 PM PST by Hambone02 (USAF AMMO IYAAYAS)
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