HPV Vaccine Mandates Risky and Expensive (Vaccine Safety Group Finds Serious Reactions, High Costs)

PR Newswire ^ | Feb 1, 2007 | Unknown

[Old_Mil]

people buy the CDCs line

And what do you mean by that? The CDC is a well respected organization that does a great deal for public health. Ah well, I'm done here. There's no point in arguing about the practice of medicine with a bunch of medieval reactionaries who don't know a thing about it. I didn't get into this to save the unwilling from themselves. You want your daughters to get cervical cancer, hysterectomies, chemotherapy? Fine....be my guest.

[metmom]

Thanks.

[perseid 67]

Who gave you the idea that this vaccine will protect you or anyone else from cancer?

[Old_Mil]

Who gave you the idea that this vaccine will protect you or anyone else from cancer?

Visit http://www.pubmed.com and do the research yourself.

[Frank Sheed]

Official Position Paper of the Catholic Medical Association on Gardasil

This is in swf format.

[Frank Sheed]

See 125

[perseid 67]

Thank you for the information.

It confirmed my suspicion this was never tested on young girls.

Doctors can give their daughters this vaccine and council the parents of girls to receive this vaccine on an individual basis, but I do not approve of governors making medical decisions for parents.
By the way, the Texas Medical Association did not approve of Perry's mandate.

[Frank Sheed]

This is the major argument. It is correct to say to adult women that the Medical establishment recommends this vaccine and anyone can see why. It is quite another to mandate this for children without parental consent. That is the argument being made by the CMA.

[perseid 67]

How many people from CMA are from Boston? How many of them have ties to Merck?

They have provided more information than the press releases the company has been putting out,but I still do not want to start grabbing eleven year old girls off the streets and inoculating them with this vaccine.

They made a good case for the inoculation of older (say sixteen) girls. I prefer doctors work with their patients. Health care is a personal matter no one wants their governor to dictate such matters. Perry is especially revolting for inserting himself in the private matters of young girls.

[originalbuckeye]

Absolutely. Anyone who wants to get it should get it. It should NEVER be mandatory.

[perseid 67]

You are, right of course.

CMA did not support this forced plan from our fearless governor.

Thank you again.

Their article is well balanced.

[originalbuckeye]

Nasty sarcasm. Nobody said they want anybody to get HPV. Many people don't believe young girls should be getting the vaccine. And it does NOT protect against everything.

[DJ MacWoW]

Me: For most people, HPV goes away on its own

You: Untrue.

Take it up with Merck. The quote is theirs and I gave the link.

This is why HPV related cervical cancer can manifest years following exposure.

This used to be true. Years ago. Not anymore. It was never true for HPV cancers. THAT is from my Dr.

[DJ MacWoW]

And what do you mean by that?

*ahem* We're from the government and we're here to "help" you.

EVERYONE has their own axe to grind. Including the CDC. And I don't need the government to do my thinking for me.

There's no point in arguing about the practice of medicine with a bunch of medieval reactionaries who don't know a thing about it. I didn't get into this to save the unwilling from themselves. You want your daughters to get cervical cancer, hysterectomies, chemotherapy? Fine....be my guest.

Nice reaction to disagreement.

[Froufrou]

http://www.pharmatimes.com/WorldNews/Articles/10217-Cervarix-Gardasil.aspx?src=WN

"Both vaccines employ the use of adjuvants, which boost the ability of an antigen to stimulate an immune response. But, while Merck's Gardasil uses an aluminum salt adjuvant, Cervarix uses a novel adjuvant known as AS04, which GSK is hoping to prove will give its vaccine an edge over its rival.

According to the group, data published in Vaccine in August last year showed that Cervarix "induced higher antibody levels and more robust immune memory response compared to the same HPV vaccine composition conventionally formulated with aluminium hydroxide adjuvant alone."

Pardon the big guns, boys. BTW, DJ, can you please send me the link about the harmful aspects of the aluminum salt adjuvant? Thx!

[Froufrou]

Aluminum salt adjuvant ping

[DJ MacWoW]

harmful aspects of the aluminum salt adjuvant?

It wasn't that they were harmful, the point was that placebos are usually saline in clinical trials so that researchers can get specific data. If the placebo contains some of the same properties as the test subject, the results will be skewed. In other words, if the medicine makes a test subject ill but so does the placebo, you learn nothing and get results such as "16 became ill with the placebo and 20 with the drug so it can't be the drug making them ill". That's not an honest finding.

[perseid 67]

Thank you.

[DJ MacWoW]

This sure seems "thin" to me.

Gardasil HPV Vaccine Reduced Infection and Disease in New Clinical Study Article Date: 07 Apr 2005 - 9:00 PST

In the study, 552 women in the United States, Europe and Brazil between the ages of 16 and 23 were randomized to receive vaccine or placebo at Day 1, Month 2, and Month 6.

Merck's HPV Vaccine in Phase III Trial 100% Effective for Two Strains Causing 70% of Cervical Cancer CasesArticle Date: 09 Oct 2005 - 19:00 PST

enrolled 12,167 women ages 16 to 26 in 13 countries -- none of whom tested positive for HPV strains 16 or 18 at the time of enrollment

So. None of the girls tested were 11 or 12. And not all the testing was done in the states. The FDA and CDC are acceptiing results from foreign researchers. Alrighty then!

[DJ MacWoW]

You're welcome. And read post 139.