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GOP Views Clinton As Virtually Unbeatable
The Politico ^ | 2/7/2007 | Carrie Sheffield and Jim VandeHei

Posted on 02/07/2007 5:48:59 AM PST by Mike Bates

What many conservatives regard as the nightmare scenario -- President Hillary Rodham Clinton -- is increasingly seen by veteran Republican politicians and strategists as a virtual inevitability.

In GOP circles, the Democratic front-runner is seen as so strong, and the political climate for Republicans so hostile, that many influential voices -- including current and former lawmakers, and veterans of President Bush's campaigns -- have grown despairing. These partisans describe a political equivalent of the stages of grief, starting with denial, then resentment and ending with acceptance.

For now, these Republicans say the party needs good luck, including a change of fortune in Iraq, and a revival of organization and leadership in the conservative movement to avert another Clinton presidency.

"If the conservative movement and Republicans don't understand how massive the Clinton coalition is, she will be the next president," former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay said in an interview last week, after giving a private talk to GOP lawmakers. Clinton will win, he added, "if we don't use everything available to us and motivate our base, the people that believe in us."

In his closed-door comments to conservative House members, DeLay warned of the wealth and political potency of the Clinton fundraising network.

"We do have to get our act together, and I'd agree with Tom DeLay on that," said Rep. Steve King of Iowa. "At this point, short an inspirational Republican nominee, then I would agree that it's going to be very difficult to beat Hillary if she wins the nomination."

Those comments echoed those by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich last month on Fox News:

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


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1 posted on 02/07/2007 5:49:00 AM PST by Mike Bates
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To: Mike Bates

Nothing like giving up early, is there? >:-P


2 posted on 02/07/2007 5:50:06 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Mike Bates

This is exactly why we can't run a nominee who's only 25% more conservative than Hillary.


3 posted on 02/07/2007 5:50:32 AM PST by william clark (DH4WH)
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To: Mike Bates

That rat looked one hell of a lot better pre-photoshop. Also note that you picked a male rat. Yuk, yuk,yuk.


4 posted on 02/07/2007 5:51:03 AM PST by twonie (Just because there are fewer of us don't mean we are wrong.)
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To: Mike Bates
She is. The "Conservative" media would rather spend 90% of it time shooting it own people in the back. The Republican Establishment cannot get it head out of it butt. And the average "Conservative" would rather pout and bitch about everything then DO anything to win.

Add those three things together and it comes up with a 2008 political disaster for the Republicans. Might as well make peace with the GOP being in the minority for the next 20 years. The Perpetual Whiners are the Right will make sure that happens.
5 posted on 02/07/2007 5:52:40 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( If they say "speaking truth to power,"-they haven't had a l thought since the Beatles broke up)
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To: twonie

Guess I don't know as much about 'Rats as I should. Have to work on that.


6 posted on 02/07/2007 5:52:44 AM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates

"if we don't use everything available to us and motivate our base, the people that believe in us."

And how exactly do you motivate a base that you've ignored and abandoned? Hmmmmm?
I've said it before, and I see nothing that changes it, HRC is the next president. And no one will be happy with the result.


7 posted on 02/07/2007 5:54:06 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: linda_22003

We cannot give up. She is beatable. She has so much baggage they won't let her in a good hotel. We have to take off the gloves and get in there and fight. Remember the swiftboaters? No Mr. Niceguys there.


8 posted on 02/07/2007 5:54:11 AM PST by twonie (Just because there are fewer of us don't mean we are wrong.)
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To: Mike Bates

Of course Shrillary is beatable, given a competent GOP candidate who runs a competent campaign. As Rush said, she puts her pants on one leg at a time the same as any other guy.


9 posted on 02/07/2007 5:54:28 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: Mike Bates

I know this is like regretting the passing of the dinosaurs (i.e., they ain't coming back) but it wouldn't be such a depressing prospect if we at least had some media outlets that would do their jobs.


10 posted on 02/07/2007 5:54:35 AM PST by relictele
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To: Mike Bates

Say goodbye to the country we loved.


11 posted on 02/07/2007 5:55:08 AM PST by westmichman (They cried "Peace, peace," but there is no peace.)
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To: linda_22003
"Nothing like giving up early, is there? >:-P"

With the lack-luster field of Republicans currently running, there is NO hope (that's not "giving up early", it's REALITY) to defeat the Hildabeast.

With the MSM and the Looney Left having been drumming the Hildabeast tune into weak skulls for the past 7 years, and with constant fawning over her and keeping her name "in the news", while she avoids ANY hard questioning and is going to avoid every debate she can, there is no way to defeat her with those factors.

Unless some candidate appears, who is TRULY more conservative than any current potential nominee, you will have the Hildabeast in '08.

12 posted on 02/07/2007 5:55:10 AM PST by traditional1
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To: linda_22003

Let me guess; conservatives have to support frightened Big Government Republicans because the alternative is worse. So it's a choice between wuss and worse.


13 posted on 02/07/2007 5:55:18 AM PST by Grut
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To: Mike Bates

What a crock of total crap. The GOP views that harping beeyatch as no such thing. These MSM writers are in a circle jerk.


14 posted on 02/07/2007 5:55:20 AM PST by pissant
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To: Mike Bates

These Republicans are turning more idiotic by the day.

Of course this socialist, unlikeable witch known as Hitlery Rotten Clinton is beatable. If the Republicans
would have the spine to stand up for conservative principles, and articulate those principles, they, the
Republicans, could easily overcome a left wing demagogue
like madam Hillary. Go back to the core Reagan beliefs,
and stick to them, Republicans!


15 posted on 02/07/2007 5:55:23 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (The exit strategy in Iraq is simple....VICTORY!)
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To: Mike Bates
GOP Views Clinton As Virtually Unbeatable

Well, they're right.
It's time to replace the RINOs in the GOP with someone who believes they can beat Hillary and has the guts to do it.

16 posted on 02/07/2007 5:56:21 AM PST by wai-ming
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To: brownsfan

The ignored and abandoned have to make an effort also. They cannot continue to sit on their hands and cite their poor treatment. New people will be running for us. Never give up.


17 posted on 02/07/2007 5:56:44 AM PST by twonie (Just because there are fewer of us don't mean we are wrong.)
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To: Mike Bates

As usual with these "fabricated for our DNC masters" stories, I don't see the headline or the first line in any of the quotes from the story.


18 posted on 02/07/2007 5:56:54 AM PST by John W
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To: Mike Bates

Who are the people who wrote this nonsense, and which republicans are they talking about? I'm not convinced that Hillary is going to get the dim nomination, let alone win the presidency.


19 posted on 02/07/2007 5:56:54 AM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment rights--buy another gun today.)
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To: brownsfan
I've said it before, and I see nothing that changes it, HRC is the next president. And no one will be happy with the result.

Oh, I'm sure some folks - like those in Havana and Caracas - would be pretty pleased.

20 posted on 02/07/2007 5:57:03 AM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates
Anyone who poo-poos Hillary's chances (including many here on FR) will be making the same mistake we did in '92 with another Clinton. Hillary is well-financed and managed to the nth degree. The lamestream press treats her with kid gloves, and will savage any opponent she draws. There is also a strong group-identity/victim dynamic in politics today and Hillary will exploit that to the maximum, just like she did against Lazio.

Whether we want to admit it or not, most of the electorate still gets their information from "traditional" media. The lamestream press will still be a powerful force in the '08 election. The media was absolutely desperate to elect a female Speaker of the House in '06, they pulled out all the stops to get one and succeeded. Likewise, they are desperate for a female President in '08, and they will do whatever it takes to get one. If they can't have that, they'll settle for an ersatz black President in Hussein Obama. Either way, the country will be in a world of hurt.

21 posted on 02/07/2007 5:57:11 AM PST by chimera
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To: linda_22003
Nothing like giving up early, is there?

It's almost like the two Parties have already cut a deal.

22 posted on 02/07/2007 5:57:19 AM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: MNJohnnie













23 posted on 02/07/2007 5:58:40 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Mike Bates

Hillary's greatest supporters are single-issue conservatives who would refuse to vote because they disagreed with the GOP nominee on that single issue.


24 posted on 02/07/2007 5:59:04 AM PST by nwrep
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To: chimera
Anyone who poo-poos Hillary's chances (including many here on FR) will be making the same mistake we did in '92 with another Clinton

Agreed.

25 posted on 02/07/2007 5:59:25 AM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates
Hey DeLay, how about returnijng to Conservative roots and message.. NOW! Spend 2 years reining in the bloated budget, start really fighting for conservative values, and question everything she says every single day...

or is it easier for you to give up?

26 posted on 02/07/2007 5:59:45 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Mike Bates

So we should just quit looking, cancel the primaries and head for the hills? Whatever.

BTW, I think Hillary looks like she is beaten every day... by an ugly stick.


27 posted on 02/07/2007 6:00:08 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (Adventure is the invitation to common people to become uncommon. Warren Miller)
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To: Mike Bates

"GOP Views Clinton As Virtually Unbeatable"

The GOP might as well be known as the French. They always surrender before the first shot is fired.


28 posted on 02/07/2007 6:00:17 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: Mike Bates
This is a classic case of the cult of personality. She is a horrible speaker. And she would be exposed during any debate with someone like Newt Gingrich. Her veneer would melt very quickly once she is juxtaposed with someone that has substance.
29 posted on 02/07/2007 6:00:28 AM PST by slowhand520
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To: Mike Bates

Yep, that's that old "can't do" spirit that the GOP leaders are famous for. That's why they couldn't do anything meaningful in the 12 years they were in power on the Hill, particularly the six years when they held both the Congress and the Presidency. What push-overs they are for Hellery and the Dems, who never doubt that they should be running the country and achieving their goal of socialism for the USA.


30 posted on 02/07/2007 6:01:00 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: twonie

"She is beatable. She has so much baggage they won't let her in a good hotel."

Here is the problem: The MSM loves her, and her baggage won't be discussed, ever. Since the average American can barely tear themselves away from American Idol to watch the MSM evening news, most Americans won't know the real Hillary! until she's the president.
Very few of us thought she could be elected as a Sentor in an obvious move as a carpet bagger. She had virtually no connection to New York state, and she was elected.
MSM wants a woman or a minority as president, Hillary! will work for them.
Idiot dems think that getting Hillary! means getting Bill, and the still pine for Bill.

We are screwed. No one, either left or right, will be happy with her heinous Hillary!


31 posted on 02/07/2007 6:01:07 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: westmichman

No, sir. I will fight buy I'll not surrender. Somebody hands you a white flag? Paint stars and stripes on it and keep fighting. I refuse to be demoralized by a load of gutter trash like the democrat party.


32 posted on 02/07/2007 6:01:19 AM PST by twonie (Just because there are fewer of us don't mean we are wrong.)
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To: Mike Bates

Dick Army was on F&F this morning saying basically the same thing -- that the election (Nov 08) was Hillary's to lose.

GOP leadership seems to like being in the minority again and seem to be wanting to keep that designation.


33 posted on 02/07/2007 6:01:20 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: MNJohnnie
If the GOP establishment and the large financial contributors would look for another Ronald Reagan and not keep trying to shove "Rudy McRomney" down our throats, they might rebuild the coalition that brought Reagan to power in 1980 and broke the 40 year Democratic lock on Congress in 1994. However, the establishment may harbor a desire to go back to the era where the Republican Party was a gentlemanly minority opposition to the Democrats.
34 posted on 02/07/2007 6:01:22 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: airborne
Hell yeah it does. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton? 24 years of either Bush or Clinton? Give me a break.

Let me guess. Jeb Bush will step in to battle Hillary for the good of the nation and the war effort.

35 posted on 02/07/2007 6:02:35 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: Mike Bates

Hillary is "old news" as we discussed on another thread. I don't think she'll get the nomination.

Barring formidable scandalous stuff surfacing, I think that Pelosi will be the surprise nominee.

Clinton already has formidable scandaloous stuff on her resume. A dear friend of mine, further left than his congressman Baghdad Jim McDermott (D WA), tells me that the Clintons are detested by a lot of lefties. Surprisingly, for about the same reasons we detest them, including but not limited to Hill's well-known trysts with ladies in the Clinton administration, says friend, who is otherwise a staunch supporter of all gay causes. Who knew?


36 posted on 02/07/2007 6:02:50 AM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: LiveFree99; Mike Bates
She's eminently beatable! In less than two weeks of 'campaigning' she has already

- stated that the war has to end by inauguration in 2009

- stated that she will appropriate oil company profits (that's socialism!)

I can't wait to hear what whopper she tells next!

37 posted on 02/07/2007 6:03:00 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Hehe, nice pics!


38 posted on 02/07/2007 6:03:12 AM PST by billybudd
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To: Veto!
Barring formidable scandalous stuff surfacing, I think that Pelosi will be the surprise nominee.

That WOULD be a surprise.

39 posted on 02/07/2007 6:03:57 AM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Exactly!


40 posted on 02/07/2007 6:04:25 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: chimera

OK - how's about US doing a little of what it takes to get our man in? How about not bending over every time the clow car media chimes in? How about us stopping whining and maundering in public places about our poor chances? How about that?


41 posted on 02/07/2007 6:04:30 AM PST by twonie (Just because there are fewer of us don't mean we are wrong.)
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To: Wallace T.

I agree. My mom and I were talking about who was running so far. My reply: are these really my only choices? What would Reagan do? I really wish his mind hadn't gone. He would have been such a wonderful advisor for the GOP in the 90's... Heaven knows we could have used it!


42 posted on 02/07/2007 6:04:31 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (Adventure is the invitation to common people to become uncommon. Warren Miller)
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To: Mike Bates
In case no one else has stated the obvious yet, I'll do it:

If the Republicans lose to this creature they have no one, NO ONE, but themselves to blame.

And, as feckless, stupid, and craven as they (THE GOP) have been over the last six years, I wouldn't be surprised to see it.

She'll have to follow the bent one's advice and triangulate, posing as a centrist on important issues. (He is working behind the scenes, after all.) I'm betting she'll jump to the right of them on illegal immigration (it won't take much; some bogus fence-building and such, with plenty of hot air) and kick their asses.

43 posted on 02/07/2007 6:05:11 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Go back to the core Reagan beliefs, and stick to them, Republicans!

1. Cut Spending.
2. Cut Taxes.
3. Reduce Size and Scope of Government.

In that order.

There is simply no reason that the amount of money spent by the government has to go up, year after year. We have all accepted this as the normal way of things. It need not be so.

In fact, it is entirely achievable for government spending to go down year after year, for quite a long time. Real tax relief will come from real government contraction. Without spending less, all the promises of tax relief are just smoke-and-mirrors.

44 posted on 02/07/2007 6:05:15 AM PST by bondjamesbond (Have you ever noticed that whatever the problem, the government's solution is always "more taxes"?)
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To: Mike Bates

It's hard to take any site that presents CBS news headlines as credible.


45 posted on 02/07/2007 6:05:40 AM PST by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: Mike Bates
1. The Democratic base is only slightly more thrilled with her then ours is, and they are more likely to sit home then ours is as well.

2. She is barely over 50% in likability and in people who MAY consider voting for her and the campaign ain't even started it yet.

3.With the DEM's in control, anything bad that happens tarnishes them now and not just us.

As long as we put up a leader and don't pussyfoot when it comes to campaigning, not only can we beat her, we could beat her with a wide margin.
46 posted on 02/07/2007 6:06:17 AM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: Rummyfan
stated that she will appropriate oil company profits (that's socialism!)

I can't wait to hear what whopper she tells next!

When she says she wants to confiscate profits, I don't think she's lying. She does.

47 posted on 02/07/2007 6:06:20 AM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: MNJohnnie
The "Conservative" media would rather spend 90% of it time shooting it own people in the back

Too many want to thow up any R and hope that person gets elected. Then they will whine about how so many so-called Rino's get elected.


Maybe, if the GOP would put up a viable, strong conservative candidate, they wouldn't have that problem. Instead, they keep rushing to the left to fill the void of the Dems moving even further leftward.

The GOP still hasn't figured out why the lost in 06. Now, they are latching onto an 08 defeat to avoid the rush.
48 posted on 02/07/2007 6:06:46 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: william clark

Not if he wins NY, NJ, PA and Florida. Otherwise we could have another 2000 scenario in a battleground state. I'd rather have strong, decisive win.


49 posted on 02/07/2007 6:07:36 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: twonie

"New people will be running for us. Never give up."

Sorry, it's a no win for the base. If we motivate, and elect Democrat-lite, the message to the Republicans is that we want Democrat-lite. And we will be fed a steady diet of Democrat-lite.
So, we just have to hope that the Democrats don't completely destroy the country while the Republicans regroup and figure out that most Americans are conservative and want conservative candidates.


50 posted on 02/07/2007 6:08:43 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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