Posted on 02/07/2007 3:26:10 PM PST by rawhide
Yes there is something fishy, they all three need to be charge with murder and convicted.
BS, it was planted by the cops, they also were trying to force some local snitch to say he gave them the tip, but he went public on them.
And you would really believe that a building where a cop shooting went down, that all doors weren't kicked down and a complete search made. If you believe that I have some bridge stock you may be interested in.
"I feel much safer in a world where swat teams conduct no-knock raids on 92 year old women. Those drug dealers and terrorist know we're serious now!"
We shoot and kill the 92 year old woman but bring the young drug smuggler back from Mexico, give him free medical, a green card, immunity from prosecution and soon probably a couple million for his pain. What is up with this world?
Here are the other threads on this from last November.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1742448/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1742449/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1742500/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1742686/posts
Damn unconstitutional no-knock warrants!!
There was no reason even to be at that address. From the AJC:
An Atlanta police narcotics officer has told federal investigators at least one member of his unit lied about making a drug buy at the home of an elderly woman killed in a subsequent raid, according to a person close to the investigation.Other news items (not this one) reported that the police LATER found drugs in the locked (padlocked) basement of the house. Apparently "junior" HAD been selling or partaking from the address, but grandma was not involved or aware.In an affidavit to get a search warrant at the home Nov. 21, narcotics officer Jason R. Smith told a magistrate he and Officer Arthur Tesler had a confidential informant buy $50 worth of crack at 933 Neal St. from a man named "Sam."
But narcotics officer Gregg Junnier, who was wounded in the shootout, has since told federal investigators that did not happen, according to the person close to the investigation. Police got a no-knock warrant after claiming that "Sam" had surveillance cameras outside the Neal Street residence and they needed the element of surprise to capture him and the drugs.
They found 1.93 grams of marijuana that appears to have been a plant by the same officer that fabricated the warrant, lied about the drug buy, and tried to force someone to lie to back up his story. A standard size paperclip weighs about 1.5 grams so you can judge how little marijuana that is.
There has been a lot of NAACP cries for 'justice' on this one. One guy even flew up to DC to get the Feds involved. So now these poor cops are gonna get Nifonged.
FOr them to ge "Nifonged" they would have to be innocent. That's so far from the case in this incident that they deserve anything that happens to them
No. Here's your "reliable" informant:
"It was Fabian Sheats' third felony drug arrest in four months. But on the afternoon of Nov. 21, according to a police report, he was looking to curry favor, so he told officers they could find a kilogram of cocaine in a house at 933 Neal Street N.W."A druggie, just arrested for the third time in four months on a felony charge, thinks he can get off lighter by tipping them off to a bigger dealer -- so he just makes up some stuff and the police believe him. Not good. But it gets worse.
Also bear in mind the cops used an informant (reliable in the past) to 'verify' drugs were being sold at the address.
They did no such thing. It was only two hours from the time Sheats tipped the officers to Johnsons's house and the time the police obtained the warrant. They completely fabricated the story that they had the house under surveillance and that "Sam" made a drug purchase there. "Sam" doesn't exist. Later the police would try to use an old informant and threaten him to get him to lie about being "Sam" but he wouldn't and called 911 instead.
The grunts fabricated the details used in the warrant to get the judge's signature. Made it up. They later tried to get someone to lie about being the (nonexistent) person in the warrant that they made up. And in all likelihood they planted the marijuana there there being no other evidence that the 92-year old lady used marijuana.
That's more or less exactly what happned. It was two hours from the time of the tip from the three-time drug felon to the warrant being issued. The claims in the warrant used to justify the raid were apparantly fabricated by the officers involved. They subsequently tried to get someone to step forward to pretend to be the "Sam" named in the warrant, but he refused and spilled the beans.
Good.
Someone screwed the pooch here, someone needs to pay for it.
Freedom -- lightenupman. I relayed what I SAW and HEARD on the news. In that regard what I posted was anecdotal. I referred others to the sources I got my info from. You went to the story in the AJC, which I personally trust less than CBS, but they (AJC) did keep digging.
I have not seen it definitively demonstrated that one of the officers planted less than 2 grams at the scene. It's entirely possible given the circumstances.
REM: I am not defending what happened, I just don't want to see them convicted in the MSM and pursued by an ELECTED Fulton County DA for political gain and 'community harmony.'
LEt's go with Ockham's Razor for a moment:: why did the police go to THIS house at all? Were they just bored? Were they out to OFF some old lady? Of course not. Somehow they really thought they were on a drug raid. Obviously they were wrong. It got worse the longer it lasted.
If there WAS a legitimate reason for these guys to seriously believe they were on a drug raid, then no matter how screwed up it was, I can only go with wrongful death and not homicide. My only point in all this discussion is really only about whether the cops should be indicted for homicide. I just don't see that. Negligence sure. Wrongful death sure.
BTW, just to mess with your mind, do you expect soldiers in IRaq who bust in on suspected jihadi's to knock first? Even when it's some poor street vendor's home? Just curious ;-)
Final thought -- if the cops are dirty and obstructing justice, then they deserve to go down. I am with you there, no doubt. We just have to keep in mind that the burden of proving guilt is on the prosecution, and there is not the burden of proving innocence on the indicted.
Thanks for finding the AJC goodies.
I think they do -- a HARSHER one. Fore two reasons, they're acting under color of authority and they're paid with my tax dollars. They should be held to a HIGHER standard, not a lower one than their superiors (citizens with productive jobs) and not even the same one.
Hallelujah ping.
The police act as if Drugs are worth more then a life.
These No-knocks need to stop before more people get killed.
Ms Johnston deserves justice. The narco death squad who murdered her needs to be charged, tried, convicted, and sentenced to a long long time.
"Excuse me ? They bust the door down, she pulls a revolver and starts blasting, they kill her returning fire, and this somehow a murder ? A tragic accident, at worst. "
Under concept of the castle doctrine, she has the right to defend herself. Whether it was in effect at the time or not, the one cannot believe in the concept and argue against it on technicality.
If the government wants to use the tactic they have to accept the risks associated of a free society.
"I feel much safer in a world where swat teams conduct no-knock raids on 92 year old women. Those drug dealers and terrorist know we're serious now!"
I don't know how to respond to this. Your post is really screwed up.
Why? You don't think drug dealers and terrorists are scared now that they know police are willing to shoot 92 year old women when they have a no-knock warrant?
If they don't get the message, I think the police should stake out the homes of people that Willard Scott congratulates for their 100+ birthday. Start knocking off a few centenarians and we'll soon be crime free!
YEAAAAAAARGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!
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