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U.S. retracts statements that agents were out `to shoot Mexicans'
kansascity.com ^ | 2-7-2007 | Dave Montgomery

Posted on 02/08/2007 7:04:32 AM PST by jmc813

The Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday apologetically retracted staff members' comments that two Border Patrol agents convicted of shooting a Mexican drug smuggler had told investigators they intended "to shoot Mexicans."

The department's inspector general issued the retraction at a congressional hearing as the department released a previously sealed report into the conduct of the two agents, Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean.

Congressional pressure to remove the two agents from prison - either through presidential pardons or by releasing them on bail pending appeal - intensified Wednesday after reports that fellow inmates assaulted Ramos over the weekend.

The case has become a cause celebre among conservative groups, which contend that Ramos and Compean were railroaded by overzealous federal prosecutors who gave the drug smuggler immunity to testify against the two agents.

U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton of San Antonio has defended his handling of the case, saying the agents seriously overstepped their authority by attempting to cover up the shooting of the smuggler, Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila, and destroying evidence. They began serving their sentences last month. Compean faces 12 years in prison, Ramos 11.

The Homeland Security Department, which includes the Border Patrol, released its inspector general's report after four Texas lawmakers demanded the document to compare it with information from a briefing that department staff members gave them in September.

The aides told the lawmakers that the two agents had admitted to investigators that they intended to "shoot Mexicans." But Inspector General Richard L. Skinner said under questioning by Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, that the statements were erroneous, and he apologized.

The report also contradicted statements made in the briefing that the two men knew that Aldrete-Davila was unarmed and didn't pose a threat. The report contained a transcript of Compean's account to investigators, in which he said that he and Ramos were trying "to kill the alien" because they thought he had a gun.

McCaul described the errors as serious misrepresentations that painted a distorted picture of the case.

"My complaint here is that they weren't forthcoming with all the evidence," McCaul said.

Skinner told McCaul that his aides apparently misquoted a statement that the two agents were attempting "to shoot the alien" after they received a telephone briefing on the case from Texas. But he said that exchange had no bearing on the outcome of the criminal case and occurred after the trial in El Paso.

"It's innocent, unintentional," Skinner said, adding that he saw no need to punish his staff.

Several Republican lawmakers demanded that the two agents be separated from other inmates or be transferred to a low-security prison. Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., also called for the dismissal of Federal Bureau of Prisons Director Harley Lappin if the inmates aren't protected.

Ramos is serving his sentence at a medium-security prison in Yazoo City, Miss., and Compean is imprisoned in Ohio. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., said Ramos' family told him that the agent's injuries are more severe than originally reported and include bleeding from an ear and possible signs of paralysis in his left arm. He said a nurse examined Ramos, but that he hasn't seen a doctor.

Reps. Walter Jones, R-N.C., and Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., blasted President Bush for not intervening in the case, with Rohrabacher hinting that he would consider pressing for impeachment if either of the two agents was killed in prison.

"The president has lost my respect because he will not step forward and do what's right," Jones said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderagents; dhs; immigrantlist; outtoshootmexicans
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1 posted on 02/08/2007 7:04:33 AM PST by jmc813
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To: Kimberly GG

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2 posted on 02/08/2007 7:05:25 AM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: NapkinUser

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3 posted on 02/08/2007 7:05:41 AM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: jmc813

"Nothing to see here. Move along."

4 posted on 02/08/2007 7:07:55 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: jmc813
"The president has lost my respect because he will not step forward and do what's right," Jones said.

Bush has some sort of sick fetish for border jumpers.

5 posted on 02/08/2007 7:08:47 AM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: jmc813
Government bureaucrats lying to us? Unbelievable.
Government bureaucrats admitting lying to us? Even more unbelievable.
Government bureaucrats suffering any punishment for lying to us? Never happen.
6 posted on 02/08/2007 7:10:36 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: cowboyway
...he will not step forward and do what's right...

If the President would just get out of the way and let law enforcement do their job on the border I would leave him alone.

7 posted on 02/08/2007 7:12:46 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: Diogenesis

WHat has a photo of Whitey Bulger to do with this case?


8 posted on 02/08/2007 7:13:48 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: cowboyway

Bush has some sort of sick fetish for border jumpers.
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Just now figuring that out?? :-)
It goes alot farther than that as well -- as we have witnessed. And our open borders and the protection of invading criminals in his country just continues.


9 posted on 02/08/2007 7:14:00 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: theDentist

Both cases involve governmental lying leading to federal incarceration of the innocent.


10 posted on 02/08/2007 7:15:23 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: jmc813

Seems like the government got caught in their CYA smear campaign.

What other things are the government doing/using to CYA?

Did the transcript of the trial ever get released? How many months does it take to get a trail transcript?

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11 posted on 02/08/2007 7:15:54 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: jmc813

The US government is more into propaganda these days than ever before.


12 posted on 02/08/2007 7:17:09 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: jmc813

So...when will these men be released from federal prison ?


13 posted on 02/08/2007 7:18:48 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: jmc813
The Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday apologetically retracted staff members' comments that two Border Patrol agents convicted of shooting a Mexican drug smuggler had told investigators they intended "to shoot Mexicans."

If DHS is lying about that, what else are they lying about in this case?

14 posted on 02/08/2007 7:20:10 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: jmc813

The damage is already done.


15 posted on 02/08/2007 7:22:25 AM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (Religion of peace my arse - We need a maintenance Crusade - piss on Islam)
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To: calcowgirl

FYI


16 posted on 02/08/2007 7:25:13 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: jmc813
E.D. Hill on FoxNews is talking about the deputy sheriff who is currently in jail for shooting at a vehicle with illegals trying to cross the border.

A couple of days ago, the revelation was made that the Prosecutor is the same Sutton who prosecuted these 2 border agents.

Hill just said that the 'witness' [illegal] in this case against the deputy sheriff was also given immunity to testify against the sheriff.

Posts in other threads have indicated a close relationship between Prosecutor Sutton and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

The more info that comes out regarding the US Prosecutor, the Attorney General, the Border Agents, etc., the bigger the stink. What the hell is going on?
17 posted on 02/08/2007 7:31:00 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: jmc813

"with Rohrabacher hinting that he would consider pressing for impeachment if either of the two agents was killed in prison."

I would support that...


18 posted on 02/08/2007 7:31:39 AM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: EagleUSA
Drug Money bought the White House long time ago. Bush should be impeached for his failure to enforce our laws and treasonous sellout of the USA.
19 posted on 02/08/2007 7:34:15 AM PST by jpsb
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To: jmc813

The Ambassador from Mexico, excuse me, President Bush continues to think Americans are guilty for protecting the U.S. and Mex illegals are a protected class to be given immunity from prosecution for illegal entry, drug smuggling and other assorted crimes against Americans.


22 posted on 02/08/2007 7:41:47 AM PST by hgro
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To: jmc813

I want those two PROSECUTED!!!


23 posted on 02/08/2007 7:42:20 AM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: TomGuy
"What the hell is going on?"

How about: Anchor baby runs DOJ, and allows, and encourages,
terrorists worldwide to enter through porous borders,
as brave border agents are incarcerated on false charges
leading to their beatings (and future deaths) in prison.

24 posted on 02/08/2007 7:44:37 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
So...when will these men be released from federal prison ?

Hopefully before one of them is killed
25 posted on 02/08/2007 7:48:35 AM PST by YellowRoseofTx
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To: Diogenesis

We may need to play connect-the-dots with this and see what kind of image emerges.

So far, the bits and pieces sure raise cause for concern.


26 posted on 02/08/2007 7:49:47 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: dirtboy

If DHS is lying about that, what else are they lying about in this case?
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Excellent point. What else is Washington, in general, lying about ?? Clearly they have no problem with lying to further political agendas.


27 posted on 02/08/2007 7:55:35 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: jmc813

28 posted on 02/08/2007 7:56:43 AM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: YellowRoseofTx

'twas discussed on Rush's show yesterday.


29 posted on 02/08/2007 8:00:00 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Ajnin; Arizona Carolyn; Calpernia; CAluvdubya; christynsoldier; Cyropaedia; dennisw; Digger; ...
Ping!

"It's innocent, unintentional," Skinner said, adding that he saw no need to punish his staff.

30 posted on 02/08/2007 8:04:15 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: MizSterious

Thanks!


31 posted on 02/08/2007 8:06:14 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

And how does he know this? Get that "staff" in front of a committee and under oath and grill them like a cheese sandwich. Who told them to say what they said and why?


32 posted on 02/08/2007 8:11:01 AM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: jmc813
Possible signs of paralysis in his left arm?

An illegal alien drug dealer gets a bullet in his butt and is going to sue OUR gov't for 5 million dollars?

So what do we do about Ramos? What if he is disabled and can't work the rest of his life because of being attacked in prison, when the guards should have been protecting him...

He needs a very good pro bono lawyer.

sw

33 posted on 02/08/2007 8:16:13 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
'twas discussed on Rush's show yesterday.

Yes, I heard most of it. Jerry Agar also discussed this topic in great detail yesterday on his show.
34 posted on 02/08/2007 8:20:04 AM PST by YellowRoseofTx
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To: Iwo Jima
All one has to do is read the history of all the communication and stonewalling by DHS-OIG on this issue to know that there is a skunk. Why else did they drag this lie out for months (other than hoping they could make it go away).

Innocent? Hah!

35 posted on 02/08/2007 8:22:20 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: dirtboy

[If DHS is lying about that, what else are they lying about in this case?]

Not just this case, what else are they lying about, period.


36 posted on 02/08/2007 9:08:24 AM PST by khnyny
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To: khnyny

These are the same government employee bow wows that Hillary would like to have run our health care.


37 posted on 02/08/2007 9:15:46 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Oh yeah, that would work really well./s

If that happened, every doctor in this country would have to perform abortion on demand.


38 posted on 02/08/2007 9:20:37 AM PST by khnyny
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To: Diogenesis
Anchor baby runs DOJ, and allows, and encourages,

..

Are We powerless to stop 'The Razing La Raza-ing of America' ?

Is the old Texas band name, 'Asleep at the wheel', now also the motto of our own gubamint?

39 posted on 02/08/2007 9:39:12 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......)
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To: TomGuy

"Posts in other threads have indicated a close relationship between Prosecutor Sutton and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales."


"Mr. Sutton also serves as the chairman of the Attorney General’s Advisory Committee (AGAC) which plays a significant role in determining policies and programs of the Department and in carrying out the national goals set by the President and the Attorney General."

I guess we know what those goals are now, don't we!
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/us_attorney/index.html


40 posted on 02/08/2007 9:43:36 AM PST by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: jmc813

http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=johnny+sutton+bush&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&u=www.suebobsdiary.com/&w=johnny+sutton+bush&d=W2yg8uxsOPzL&icp=1&.intl=us


"US Attorney Johnny Sutton is plugged into the power structure of the Bush Administration and has very close ties with both Bush-43 and Gonzales. Sutton is one of Bush’s “can-do” guys. Sutton, a former assistant District Attorney in Harris County, Texas, hitched his wagon to Bush’s star in 1995. When Bush won the presidency, Sutton was the policy-coordinator for the Bush-Cheney transition team. He went to Washington, DC as an Associate Deputy US Attorney General and, in November, 2001, Bush appointed him US Attorney for the Western District of Texas with 118 lawyers under him. It has been rumored along Pennsylvania Avenue that Bush will attempt to appoint Sutton to the federal bench before he leaves office on January 20, 2009."

I wonder if she's got it right?


41 posted on 02/08/2007 9:54:03 AM PST by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: jpsb
Riiiight....

Why then has President Bush (for instance) so steadfastly supported Uribe against the Columbian drug runner/terrorists of FARC?

Your statement is an insult to a man who has stood up for what he believes best for this nation when it was popular to do so and now when it is not.

Should these men be imprisoned where they can be protected, or perhaps not even imprisoned at all? Of course. However, President Bush's approach has been as governor and president has been to leave these issues to the Justice Department, rather than assume he can pick and choose where said department goes wrong. In this way, he has avoided the danger of becoming a President Clinton, drunk with his power to intercede in the judicial process--- that's the benefit of President Bush's approach . As this case shows, there are costs as well to it, as there are to all approaches to any issue a president may take on any issue of consequence.
42 posted on 02/08/2007 10:06:30 AM PST by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: calcowgirl

Unspeakable arrogance on this man's part.


43 posted on 02/08/2007 10:06:47 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Kimberly GG

Interesting link.

I guess they are buddy buddy.


44 posted on 02/08/2007 10:07:27 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: calcowgirl

before all is said & done, these agents will have to be released from prison and I hope they SUE THE HELL OUT OF THE USA!!!

Between the BP agents & the Marines who have been unjustly prosecuted & persecuted, I don't know which angers me more!


Cheney/Steele 2008


45 posted on 02/08/2007 10:15:55 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Kimberly GG

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales today named Johnny Sutton to serve as chair for the Attorney General’s Advisory Committee of United States Attorneys

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/2006/SuttonAGAC.pdf


46 posted on 02/08/2007 10:30:58 AM PST by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

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47 posted on 02/08/2007 11:19:37 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: All
All the OBL ninnies who suddenly became law-&-order hawks in this case must be taking an early lunch today - not a mealy-mouthed post or snide cheap shot to be found anywhere.

Given the way this deal is trending I have a sneaking suspicion they'll soon suffer a collective & sudden loss of interest in the case of Ramos & Compeon.

48 posted on 02/08/2007 11:28:39 AM PST by skeeter
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To: calcowgirl

We're not talking about a derogatory mark on their permanent record, THESE GUYS ARE IN JAIL FOR 11 AND 12 EFFIN' YEARS!!!!!

AND THERE IS NOTHING INNOCENT ABOUT LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!


49 posted on 02/08/2007 11:31:30 AM PST by panthermom (Duncan Hunter 2008!)
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To: Kimberly GG

March 8, 2006 - Border agents convicted.

(20 days later)

March 28, 2006 - Alberto Gonzales appoints Johnny Sutton to serve as chair for the Attorney General's Advisory Committee a role "which plays a significant role in determining policies and programs of the Department and in carrying out the national goals set by the President and the Attorney General."

Congratulations Mr. Sutton?


50 posted on 02/08/2007 11:33:43 AM PST by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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