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Los Angeles names and targets city's worst 11 gangs
LA Times ^ | 2/8/07 | Patrick McGreevy and Richard Winton, Times Staff Writers

Posted on 02/08/2007 10:27:46 AM PST by BurbankKarl

Launching a counteroffensive against organized street thugs, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and police officials took the unusual step Wednesday of identifying the city's 11 worst gangs, then promising to go after them with teams of police, federal agents, probation officers and prosecutors.

Facing 720 identifiable gangs with 39,000 members, the city's plan would target the most dangerous groups, which total at least 800 members. Those gangs are thought to be responsible for a disproportionate amount of mayhem.

....... But Wes McBride, executive director of the California Gang Investigators Assn. and a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's deputy, said he was "not sure" that identifying the gangs was a good idea.

These guys keep the clippings, and I don't know if you can really say which are the most dangerous gangs on any one day," he said. "It is the kind of advertising you don't need."

McBride said he feared that some gangs would feel slighted if not named and might try to up the ante with more violent crimes.

Najee Ali, a community activist and former gang member, said he also was opposed to any ranking system. "The mayor and chief shouldn't be legitimizing the gangs," he said. "To the gang members it is a badge of honor."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; crips; gangs; immigrantlist; losangeles; marasalvatrucha; ms13
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1 posted on 02/08/2007 10:27:50 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl
McBride said he feared that some gangs would feel slighted if not named and might try to up the ante with more violent crimes.

Well at least you cant say they aren't ambitious.

2 posted on 02/08/2007 10:30:18 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: BurbankKarl
Los Angeles names and targets city's worst 11 gangs

As opposed to.....what....the 11 best?

3 posted on 02/08/2007 10:30:46 AM PST by edpc (Don't just accept what's Left.....work for what's Right)
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To: BurbankKarl
Facing 720 identifiable gangs with 39,000 members

Nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

4 posted on 02/08/2007 10:31:12 AM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: beltfed308
Facing 720 identifiable gangs with 39,000 members

Baghdad on the West Coast...

5 posted on 02/08/2007 10:33:27 AM PST by SolidWood (Sadr lives. Kill him.)
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To: BurbankKarl
When will we hear about the exit strategy?????????
6 posted on 02/08/2007 10:33:48 AM PST by GoldCountryRedneck ("God made liquor and God made brew, so ugly people could have sex too" - unknown)
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To: beltfed308

just put a bounty on them, the residents will eliminate the problem. Or, legalize dueling, and let them eliminate themselves.


7 posted on 02/08/2007 10:33:57 AM PST by stumpy
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To: BurbankKarl

I don't know how they are going to locate these guys.

8 posted on 02/08/2007 10:35:04 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: BurbankKarl

I don't see the Democrat Party listed?


9 posted on 02/08/2007 10:36:53 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: BurbankKarl

Nevermind addressing the core issue, let's go for the cosmetic approach that saves face for the bureaucrats and politicians.


10 posted on 02/08/2007 10:37:07 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: BurbankKarl

Any Polish gangs?


11 posted on 02/08/2007 10:38:07 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: BurbankKarl

Civil War, quagmire, creating new enemies, falling in world opinion, redeploy to Okinawa, yada yada.


12 posted on 02/08/2007 10:38:24 AM PST by SargeK
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To: stumpy

"just put a bounty on them, the residents will eliminate the problem. Or, legalize dueling, and let them eliminate themselves."

Hehe. Yeah, right.

Their children are being killed in this crossfire and residents won't come forward but a few pieces of silver will make a difference? Duelling takes courage. Bussin' a cap in a nigga's ass as he sits on his mom's sofa does not.


13 posted on 02/08/2007 10:39:44 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: beaversmom

Has the sure look of:

"I'll be lucky to make 25"


14 posted on 02/08/2007 10:39:47 AM PST by EyeGuy
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To: BurbankKarl
.....go after them with teams of police, federal agents, probation officers and prosecutors.....

Oh yeah, this is really going to work....catching and prosecuting the gang members. Scares the hell out of them, no doubt.

There is nothing that will work except make the penalty for joining a gang so horrible that nobody would risk it. This requires execution of gang members...or if killing the people us unacceptable, maybe castration of the gang members might work.

The "authorities" are wasting their time if they do anything else.

15 posted on 02/08/2007 10:39:50 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Oh, they are going to make kids wear school uniforms.

And Santa Ana is going to give away a car to a kid with perfect attendance.


16 posted on 02/08/2007 10:39:51 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

I remember reading sometime ago that street cops taking pictures of gangmembers to construct a rogues' gallery of gangsta's were severely disciplined.


17 posted on 02/08/2007 10:41:51 AM PST by printhead
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To: BurbankKarl
Facing 720 identifiable gangs with 39,000 members...

Let diversity bloom...

18 posted on 02/08/2007 10:45:37 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: BurbankKarl
"McBride said he feared that some gangs would feel slighted if not named and might try to up the ante with more violent crimes."

That was the first thing that crossed this demented mind...

19 posted on 02/08/2007 10:46:03 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: BurbankKarl

I didn't see the ACLU or CAIR listed. What gives???


20 posted on 02/08/2007 10:46:14 AM PST by Niteranger68 (Point your toilets towards Mecca!)
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To: BurbankKarl

Now you see, all you Rudy supporters, here is a job for Rudy that I can stand behind.

Help get Rudy elected Mayor of LA and I promise you some results in getting rid of the blatant dirtbag problem in your city....

As POTUS? Never. as Mayor...most definitely.....


21 posted on 02/08/2007 10:48:46 AM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: beaversmom

These tatoos are a typical filipino gang technique. Philippine prisoners cature and decorate fellow prisoners who end up lookin' like festooned cartooned outcasts above. There after the gang members only pals are look a likes.


22 posted on 02/08/2007 10:50:26 AM PST by Broker (Haddi Nuff)
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To: Fitzcarraldo

With all respect to the Eastern Europeans no. They simply run the guns in.


23 posted on 02/08/2007 10:50:36 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 7thson
I don't see the Democrat Party listed?

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The California Democrat Party didn't make the top 11. They were 17th on the list.....

24 posted on 02/08/2007 10:51:28 AM PST by bpjam (Never Give Up, Never Surrender (Unless James Baker gives you permission))
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To: BurbankKarl
La Mirada Locos

I knew those kids from BIOLA were trouble.

25 posted on 02/08/2007 10:51:55 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BurbankKarl

The editors of that awful rag forgot the usual blame it on whitey's racism, they are slipping.


26 posted on 02/08/2007 10:52:04 AM PST by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: SargeK

Good thing John Murtha doesn't live in Los Angeles or the LAPD would have had to retreat to Bakersfield by now.


27 posted on 02/08/2007 10:52:53 AM PST by bpjam (Never Give Up, Never Surrender (Unless James Baker gives you permission))
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To: junta

Where are The Archies? The Fordham Street Baldies? The Lord's of Flatbush?
Warriors, come out to play-ay.


28 posted on 02/08/2007 10:53:34 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: B.O. Plenty
There is nothing that will work except make the penalty for joining a gang so horrible that nobody would risk it.

Like having to stand around on a street corner with the same bunch of losers every day with no chance of making a profit...because the piles of white powder you used to move for thousands of dollars can now be had for free at a Federal clinic?

There are no forms of punishment that will work short of deputizing all registered gun owners, permitting them to shoot on sight, and paying a bounty of $500 per dead gang member - much like what would have happened in the Old West. Since that is unlikely to occur, the next best option is to eliminate the major profit motive that atrracts people to gang membership.

29 posted on 02/08/2007 10:53:56 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: BurbankKarl

How bad must it be if Atzlan Overlord Villaraigosa has recognized it?


30 posted on 02/08/2007 10:54:56 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: BurbankKarl
No Bloods in the top 11?

I bet they feel left out, especially with the Crips making the list.
31 posted on 02/08/2007 10:55:27 AM PST by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: Vaquero

How about a fence on are southern boarder will help.


32 posted on 02/08/2007 10:56:29 AM PST by jocko12
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To: Momaw Nadon

Coming in dead last were the LA Apple Dumplin Gang whom were ranked a dismal 46.


33 posted on 02/08/2007 11:00:51 AM PST by Augustinian monk
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To: BurbankKarl

I surprised the Los Angeles County Democratic Central Committee and the Berman-Waxman machines are not listed as well....


34 posted on 02/08/2007 11:01:49 AM PST by PDR
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To: massgopguy

Or the Baseball Furies?


35 posted on 02/08/2007 11:06:06 AM PST by stbdside
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To: stbdside

The Orphans. Yea, I've heard you guys are real heavy hitters.


36 posted on 02/08/2007 11:15:40 AM PST by scan59 (No matter where you go, there you are.)
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To: BurbankKarl

The obvious solution is an old one. Identified gangsters should be arrested on racketeering charges, and instead of being sent to prison, send them to rural work camps. Camps reserved for only gang members.

One thing I might add would be to put these camps on Indian Reservations, managed by the tribes, with the mission to improve ecological quality of life on that Reservation.

It could be part of a labor intensive process. Have them start by digging irrigation canals that would later be improved with concrete by tribal construction teams, then have them prepare farmland by clearing it of all rocks to a depth of three feet and leveling the land. Use the rocks to build fences.

From there they could move to forestry, creating and managing forests. And not just pine, but higher value hardwoods that in many years will make fine furniture.

There is enough work for every gangster in the entire State to keep them productively employed for decades.

Getting the ball rolling is simple enough, using a combination of criteria. Admission of being a gang member, along with unique gang paraphernalia and markings. Association with known gang members. Continued association after the gang is identified as a racketeering organization. Conspiracy. Etc. All determined by a judge.

When enough of these standards are met, the racketeering law is invoked, and they get to spend a long time helping society--not just living off of society's nickel. No idleness for these lads.

And administered by Indian tribes means that disciplinary rules are under Indian law, not State law; which I suppose could be more flexible in stimulating such gangsters to work.


37 posted on 02/08/2007 11:25:09 AM PST by Popocatapetl
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To: RacerF150

It's all very funny...until you're in the middle of it.


I once managed a textile printing plant in the area of #2 on the map. Scary neighborhood.

One time we sent a contractor up to give us a bid on reroofing the plant. He came down with seven different KINDS of bullets.

Just a little celebration thingy, you know....



Another time a guy "in the industry" was deivering patterns to printers in the area and was literally caught in a cross fire incident, with one gang member walking out of a corner bodega and flashing some hand signal and the guys in the car behind him "taking cover" behind the trunk of his car to shoot at the first guy.

Let's just say he was REAL glad when the light changed and he was no longer trapped in traffic.

Lucky for him, BOTH sides of the exchange were lousy shots.

No telling how many innocent bystanders caught shrapnel.


...then I moved to Montana.


38 posted on 02/08/2007 11:28:31 AM PST by JB in Whitefish
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


39 posted on 02/08/2007 11:28:46 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: BurbankKarl

Canoga Park Alabama:

No wonder I moved out of the San Fernando Valley. That is waaaayy tooo close to where I lived. Old neighborhood is totally corrupted. Never want to return.


40 posted on 02/08/2007 11:30:32 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: BurbankKarl

And Santa Ana is going to give away a car to a kid with perfect attendance."

Which will be stolen by a gang member within 3 days of receipt.


41 posted on 02/08/2007 11:32:13 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Vaquero

Not fair to Rudy, IMO.
Problem is already totally out of control, and current "mayor" of LA can take lots of the responsibility.


42 posted on 02/08/2007 11:33:23 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: BurbankKarl


"You're standing right now with nine delegates from one hundred gangs. And there's over a hundred more. That's 20,000 hardcore members. Forty thousand, counting affiliates, and twenty thousand more, not organized, but ready to fight: sixty thousand soldiers! Now, there ain't but twenty thousand police in the whole town. Can you dig it?"
43 posted on 02/08/2007 11:40:02 AM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: BurbankKarl


Yeah, my youth worker talks about these guys all the time. They got a heavy rep.
44 posted on 02/08/2007 11:44:32 AM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: stbdside; massgopguy; scan59

I swear, "The Warriors" was the ONLY thing I could think of while I read this.

The part about keeping the newspaper clippings made me laugh out loud.


45 posted on 02/08/2007 11:47:12 AM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: BurbankKarl
Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and police officials took the unusual step Wednesday of identifying the city's 11 worst gangs, then promising to go after them with teams of police, federal agents, probation officers and prosecutors.

Mecha Villaraigosa says this with a straight face while he's allowing L.A. to be a "sanctuary city". HE'S A LYING HYPOCRITE!

46 posted on 02/08/2007 12:06:56 PM PST by janetgreen ("Comprehensive immigration reform" = BUSH AMNESTY)
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To: BurbankKarl

"then promising to go after them with teams of police, federal agents, probation officers and prosecutors. "

Another fine example where having no border fence is not costing us taxpayers much /s



So...Mr. Mayor, is joining "Mara Salvatrucha" another example of doing jobs Americans wont do?


47 posted on 02/08/2007 12:28:32 PM PST by trappedinnj
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To: jocko12
How about a fence on are southern boarder will help.

yeah the fence is needed and so is the ability of LEOs to be able to shoot down armed drug smugglers....

....but even if you stem the tide of illegals you will still have citys filled with them....and thats when you could use a Rudy to clean up cities...

48 posted on 02/08/2007 12:29:50 PM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: BurbankKarl

any all-midget gangs? or gangs that use dobermans to rob banks?


49 posted on 02/08/2007 12:38:06 PM PST by isom35
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any all-midget gangs?

The Santa Monica Rooneys. Those hueros were supposed to show up for a big rumble with us, but came up short. use dobermans to rob banks?

Lissen ese, my gang is so tough we feed Dobermans to our Pit Bulls.

50 posted on 02/08/2007 12:57:39 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Biden, Biden, he's my man, if anyone says it, he soon can!)
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