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Mandating Gardasil: A Gross Infringement On Parental Rights
standardnewswire.com ^ | 02/09/07 | Unknown

Posted on 02/09/2007 11:44:19 AM PST by Froufrou

Children of God for Life is urging West Virginia lawmakers to scrap HB 2835 mandating Merck's new Gardasil HPV (human papilloma virus) vaccine.

Following last week' hotly debated Executive Order by Governor Perry to mandate Gardasil in Texas, West Virginia is the latest of at least two dozen states proposing to add the controversial vaccine as a requirement for school attendance. However, unlike Texas and 48 other states including DC, which have laws allowing parents to opt-out, WVA and Mississippi are the only two States that do not provide religious or philosophical exemptions for vaccines.

"It is utterly disgraceful that WVA would force this vaccine on families, especially when their State law provides no relief to those who object to other vaccines," stated Children of God for Life Executive Director, Debi Vinnedge. "Even if they include an opt-out for Gardasil, such a move would be unconstitutional for parents who have religious objections to other vaccines, such as those using aborted fetal cell lines."

While Gardasil does not utilize aborted fetal cell lines – a primary focus of Children of God for Life, the group noted it raises other moral concerns. And they are not alone. Since Perry's actions last week, numerous family and medical groups agree that this is a family decision for the parents – not the State.

In a statement released Jan 22, the American College of Pediatrics noted that mandating Gardasil for school attendance "is a serious, precedent-setting action" replacing parental medical decision making with government regulations.

Likewise, Focus on the Family warned last year, that state officials, not parents, would become the primary sexual-health decision makers for America's children.

Vinnedge noted, "Mandating Gardasil is like the State mandating condoms for children. And neither one is effective at preventing cervical cancer. The HPV virus's incubation period is 20 years, yet this vaccine was tested for only 4 years. No one knows whether this will prevent cervical cancer at all."

Last year the Associated Press reported the FDA warning that, "any advantage the vaccine provides in protecting against the four virus types could be offset by infection by any of the multiple [over 100] other types of HPV that the vaccine does not cover." The FDA further noted that "the vaccine may lead to an increased number of cases of a cancer precursor among patients already infected by any of the four virus types at the time they receive the vaccine, and whose immune systems have not cleared the virus from their bodies."

"West Virginia is already a quagmire of contention in their antiquated State regulations on vaccines," noted Vinnedge. "If they intend to mandate Gardasil, they must provide an opt-out clause and add religious exemptions for other vaccines as well. Anything less would be a gross infringement on parental rights."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Texas; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: cogforlife; debivinnedge; gardasil; hpv; hpvvaccine; merck; rickperry
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1 posted on 02/09/2007 11:44:20 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: USMCWife6869; MamaTexan; HonestConservative; Nathan Zachary; HoustonCurmudgeon; hocndoc; ...

More HPV mandates spreading across the nation ping.


2 posted on 02/09/2007 11:46:59 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

Is the government going to pay for the health care costs of m young girl if she receives this vaccine and becomes ill?
Does not the state have issues with the Federal Government and "unfunded mandates"?


3 posted on 02/09/2007 11:47:29 AM PST by hophead ( "Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: Froufrou
Well, at least this is going through the WV legislature. Perry just said, "So it is written, so it is done!"
4 posted on 02/09/2007 11:49:42 AM PST by LIConFem
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To: hophead

Yer preachin' to the choir, hoppy! I'm totally with you...

There has been no protocol/trial on 9-11 year old girls completed! The are trialing 100 Japanese girls for 7 months starting this past December.


5 posted on 02/09/2007 11:50:12 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: LIConFem

Supposedly, there's been enough fraccas about it this week that it is now going to our legislature, too.

Well, we will see.


6 posted on 02/09/2007 11:52:55 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

Thanks for the ping. This situation makes me really angry. As the mother of three daughters, I can confidently say that my girls won't be getting this vaccine. I don't like the idea of the government telling me she has to and forcing me to "opt out" in order to prevent it. I also don't like the fact that there hasn't been any long term testing done. It is too "iffy" at this point, and even if it weren't, it is my intention to teach my daughters that abstinence is the best option for them for many reasons, not the least of which is our Christianity. I am tired of the government forcing sexual issues on them when I am not there to see.


7 posted on 02/09/2007 11:54:18 AM PST by USMCWife6869
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To: Froufrou

Good. And let's hope they do the right thing.


8 posted on 02/09/2007 11:54:50 AM PST by LIConFem
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To: Froufrou
And what happens in 25 years when these little girls are in their 30's and develop some other dread cancer?

I, as a parent, will not allow my daughter to be a Guinea pig so that Merk can make a fortune.

If it means she has to be home-schooled so be it.
9 posted on 02/09/2007 11:55:00 AM PST by keepitreal
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To: Froufrou
The HPV virus's incubation period is 20 years,

That's kind of strange. How did I get warts in 3 months? I certainly didn't have sex when I was 2.

10 posted on 02/09/2007 11:58:40 AM PST by CholeraJoe (The only Americans who need to know where Syria is are the navigators on the bombers.)
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To: USMCWife6869; LIConFem; keepitreal

Some FReepers think it's no big deal. I think it's a bigger deal than Merck and the various legislators want us to know.

It's in every state now. Merck wants to get the edge on GlaxoSmithKline, whose product will be ready next year and claims to be better.


11 posted on 02/09/2007 11:59:49 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: CholeraJoe
"I certainly didn't have sex when I was 2."

How do you know? Do you remember everything you did when you were 2???

Sorry... It's Friday
12 posted on 02/09/2007 12:00:07 PM PST by LIConFem
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To: CholeraJoe

I hadn't seen this before, in any of the many threads about this topic. Good question.


13 posted on 02/09/2007 12:01:15 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: keepitreal

Do you believe that vaccines cause autism?


14 posted on 02/09/2007 12:01:20 PM PST by CholeraJoe (The only Americans who need to know where Syria is are the navigators on the bombers.)
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To: CholeraJoe; keepitreal; Marie; Politicalmom

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1781585/posts

Earlier today. FReeper beat me to it.


15 posted on 02/09/2007 12:03:49 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

My email going to my delegates, any thoughts before it goes?

I am a resident of _______ and am deeply disturbed at the bill that is being considered mandating the vaccination for the HPV virus. This vaccine has not had nearly the amount of testing, including the tracking of long term effects for this vaccine. There is a far greater chance of a girl having an adverse reaction to the vaccine than getting the cancer, and the side effects include but are not limited to autoimmune phenomena, which is inflammatory arthritis. I am disturbed at the age that we are requiring this vaccine to happen in young girls. The most disturbing part of this bill is the fact that politicians are usurping me as to what is best for my child. There is no opt-out clause with the bill. This is a travesty and I am sure our Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves as we speak. I ask you, as your constituent, to not vote for this bill as it is. This vaccine needs to be an OPT-IN and there should be more long term tracking of this, as I am positive that I am far more concerned for my child than you will ever be.


16 posted on 02/09/2007 12:04:13 PM PST by WV Mountain Mama (I'm shocked the gov't hasn't found an average consumption equation to tax breast milk.)
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To: WV Mountain Mama; MamaTexan

"This vaccine needs to be an OPT-IN and there should be more long term tracking of this, as I am positive that I am far more concerned for my child than you will ever be."

If you read any of mama texan's posts I'd say you are correct.

This is a good link from nvic.org. We're going to need agency help. I've already stuck my neck out and they know where I live. Not the best handling, IMHO, but I was flaming then, before the talk of taking it to the lege.

http://www.909shot.com/PressReleases/pr62706gardasil.htm



17 posted on 02/09/2007 12:14:53 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

If this were a vaccine for any other disease, I bet 90% of you wouldn't care. This is silly prudery masquerading as genuine concern.


18 posted on 02/09/2007 12:16:22 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Froufrou
More HPV mandates spreading across the nation ping.

Several news articles have said this is a nation wide push by Merek.

Parents better get busy raising some HE-double L.

(Thanks for the pings, BTW :-)

19 posted on 02/09/2007 12:19:01 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am not an administrative, public, corporate or legal 'person'.....and neither are my children!)
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To: Alter Kaker

I'm certainly not a prude, my contention is that the government is forcing a vaccine on everyone because many women do not go to a doctor every year. My sister and two friends had this and it was caught by a routine pap smear. But now the government is mandating this on all because of a few. There approx 150,000,000 women in this country and 4,000 deaths a year. This vaccination mandate is government overkill, again.


20 posted on 02/09/2007 12:22:29 PM PST by WV Mountain Mama (I'm shocked the gov't hasn't found an average consumption equation to tax breast milk.)
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To: LIConFem
Do you remember everything you did when you were 2???

If I did that, I sure would have remembered it.

21 posted on 02/09/2007 12:24:45 PM PST by CholeraJoe (The only Americans who need to know where Syria is are the navigators on the bombers.)
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To: MamaTexan; WV Mountain Mama; CholeraJoe; keepitreal; USMCWife6869; Politicalmom

There is a petition by nvic.org to request that vaccine research data be made public. Please FReep this petition!!!

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/896046564


22 posted on 02/09/2007 12:25:42 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Alter Kaker; Froufrou
This is silly prudery masquerading as genuine concern.

No, it's called caution. Caution against having out children injected solely because the government said "It's okay", when all the evidence has yet to even be gathered.

Risk your children if you wish, be don't lecture other people about their personal motivations. How "it's all about sex" or how CAUTION somehow makes them a prude, an idiot, or "pro-cancer".

The ridiculous rationalizations you people will go through in order to belittle other people over a decision that is THEIR right to make is absolutely disgusting.

Then again, some people must belittle others in order to compensate for their own feelings of inadequacy.

23 posted on 02/09/2007 12:35:35 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am not an administrative, public, corporate or legal 'person'.....and neither are my children!)
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To: Alter Kaker
This is silly prudery masquerading as genuine concern.

Don't you think the individual should be able to decide how to remain healthy, rather than have the government mandate a certain course of action?

Living a lifestyle that would have been considered perfectly normal fifty years ago, in which one limits one's sexual partners to a reletive few, or even one, is an effective strategy for preventing infection with this disease. Shouldn't an individual have the right to choose that approach for themselves, rather than having the latest technological marvel miracle cure thrust upon them by the government?

24 posted on 02/09/2007 12:35:54 PM PST by bondjamesbond (Have you ever noticed that whatever the problem, the government's solution is always "more taxes"?)
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To: Alter Kaker
If this were a vaccine for any other disease, I bet 90% of you wouldn't care. This is silly prudery masquerading as genuine concern.

And you're still wrong. This has never been tested on the targeted age group. I have the links to the studies if you want them. Oh heck, just go here.

Post 35

25 posted on 02/09/2007 12:36:08 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: MamaTexan

It seems like the most effective way to prevent infection of one's 11-year-old daughter by a man experienced enough to have contracted HPV is the prominent display of powerful firearms.


26 posted on 02/09/2007 12:38:09 PM PST by bondjamesbond (Have you ever noticed that whatever the problem, the government's solution is always "more taxes"?)
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To: MamaTexan; Alter Kaker; Politicalmom

"Then again, some people must belittle others in order to compensate for their own feelings of inadequacy."

I'll consider the possibility that AK is simply underinformed on this issue, since this is often the case with people who spew at others.

AK, I suggest you visit nvic.org and look particularly at the entries under the petition. You obviously don't realize the number of children who've had reactions to vaccines. I'm thinking maybe you have no children; if so, your input on the topic is pointless.


27 posted on 02/09/2007 12:39:30 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Alter Kaker
The American College of Pediatricians also oppose this vaccine as mandatory:

From their position paper:

The average length of follow up in the 4 studies conducted by Merck ranged from 2 to 4 years. Blood antibody levels against HPV in the vaccine group peaked at 7 months after immunization, declined through the 2nd year, and stabilized at 36 months, remaining at levels above pre-immunization. For the girls aged 9 to15 years immunized with Gardasil, blood antibody levels showed a good response and “the efficacy of Gardasil in 9 to 15 year old girls is inferred.”3 The number of 9 year old girls vaccinated in all trials has been reported to be 250. Also, according to the Merck published report on Gardasil, the “duration of immunity following a complete schedule of immunization with Gardasil has not been established.”4 .

Because the average time between initial HPV infection and death from cervical cancer is 20 years, definitive conclusions about HPV vaccine efficacy will take years to establish. Future research should also address the use of the vaccine in males.


http://www.acpeds.org/?CONTEXT=art&cat=12&art=95&BISKIT=3349461552


And, a vaccine safety group is finding that adverse effects are being found in young girls administered this vaccine:

VIENNA, Va., Feb. 1 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The National Vaccine
Information Center (NVIC), the nation's leading vaccine safety and informed
consent advocacy organization, is urging state legislatures to investigate
the safety and cost of mandating Merck's HPV vaccine (GARDASIL) for all
pre- adolescent girls before introducing legislation amending state vaccine
laws. In an analysis of reports made to the federal Vaccine Adverse Event
Reporting System (VAERS) since the CDC's July 2006 universal use
recommendation for all young girls, NVIC found reports of loss of
consciousness, seizures, joint pain and Guillain-Barre Syndrome.

"GARDASIL safety appears to have been studied in fewer than 2,000 girls
aged 9 to 15 years pre-licensure clinical trials and it is unclear how long
they were followed up"

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/02-01-2007/0004518488&EDATE

I am not going to subject my 9 year old to a vaccine where the duration of immunity has not been established , the efficacy for 9 year olds has only been inferred, and where clinical trials on preadolescents has been limited. Neurological side effects are not something to be taken lightly. If you call that being prudish, so be it.
28 posted on 02/09/2007 12:55:31 PM PST by keepitreal
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To: Alter Kaker
If this were a vaccine for any other disease, I bet 90% of you wouldn't care. This is silly prudery masquerading as genuine concern.

I continue to be amazed at the fact that so many people like youself that come to a conservative site like Free Republic don't have a clue about the issue here.

Besides the theft of the rights and freedoms of the parents amd the children involved Perry has way overstepped his place. The executive in Texas is very weak, if you look at Perry's past so-called executive orders they are mostly piggybacking off of legislation passed by the legislature or they are puffy things recognizing people or whatnot. In fact, Perry has made executive orders in the past regarding vaccinations but they have been after the legislture passed specific laws and they refer to those laws.

When the legislature passes laws there is a process that must be followed then once the law is passed by the Texs legislature then the Governor signs it. In the case of this vaccination Perry has passed a law without using that process. His executive order is questionable but what is not in question is that he has no right to mandate that taxpayer money be spent for the order. In fact, he's required to account for any money he spends.

Rick Perry is not a prince or king. He may think he can do whatever he wants when it comes to the rights of Texan parents and Texas children but he is in for a rude awakening.

29 posted on 02/09/2007 12:56:50 PM PST by isthisnickcool (I own your children! ---RICK PERRY)
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To: bondjamesbond
It seems like the most effective way to prevent infection of one's 11-year-old daughter by a man experienced enough to have contracted HPV is the prominent display of powerful firearms.

LOL! After the continuous "But what if the girl gets raped" scenarios brought up to justify this vaccine, I had to point out, statistically, a woman is fifteen times more likely to get raped than she was to get cervical cancer.

That lead to the obvious question of when schools were going to begin firearms training so these young ladies would be protected from this 'epidemic'.

:-)

30 posted on 02/09/2007 12:59:33 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am not an administrative, public, corporate or legal 'person'.....and neither are my children!)
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To: Froufrou

This is going to be interesting. This WOULD be a forced vaccination, as WV offers medical exemptions only.


31 posted on 02/09/2007 12:59:40 PM PST by Politicalmom ("Always vote for principle...and your vote is never lost."-John Quincy Adams)
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To: Alter Kaker

Wrong. Other vaccines are for diseases that are far, far more easily spread than HPV. Measles, TB, even Hepatitis can be spread in more than one way. HPV is sexually transmitted. Period. I don't see how my decision on how to raise my kids to see how much safer (emotionally and physically) abstinence is can be considered prudish. There is more to sex than just the physical aspects of it. I know better than anyone else in government what my daughters should be taught in regards to sex. I don't give a crap what anyone else says.

If it were just the Christian aspect of things, then maybe, yes, I could understand how it may seem prudish. But I taught my teen daughter abstinence for many, many other reasons than that. I know what her background is, I know what her situation is, and it is, frankly, up to me to decide how to raise her. If it were TB or Measles, or even Chicken Pox, (which I wasn't thrilled about either), then I could understand. You can't make a choice to avoid those diseases, they are easily spread through the air. This particular disease (HPV) can be avoided in other ways than just a vaccine.


32 posted on 02/09/2007 1:01:22 PM PST by USMCWife6869
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To: Alter Kaker

Not really.

I'm a young woman who is choosing not to get this vaccine. There are so many unknowns. I've already had one seizure that's affected my life. This has given girls and at least one boy seizures, and possibly two cases of Guillain-Barre Syndrome. If someone said I had to take this, with no opt-out, when I was in high school? I would have dropped out, gotten a job, and paid to finish my education privately. I don't want the government making me put things into my body that aren't safe.

If they're going to force a vaccine on kids, why not the flu vaccine? The flu kills about 36,000 Americans each year and hospitalizes about 200,000, yet we're supposed to force kids to take a vaccine that's been untested on their age group, untested long term on ANY age group (so there's no telling how long the vaccine lasts, how it will affect people 10 years later, etc.), to something that MIGHT prevent something that's only diagnosed in about 12,800 women each year, and can be prevented with routine pap smears? I'm worried for the girls just a little younger than I am that are going to be lab rats for this company that will make BILLIONS of dollars off of this. I have younger cousins in danger. My flowergirl is going to be old enough soon.

I'm getting married in June to a man who used to be sexually active. I know most girls my age have had sex and yes, a lot of them probably have HPV. I'm concerned about cervical cancer. But I'm even more concerned about this vaccine. It hasn't been deemed safe. It's criminal to make girls take a shot without knowing what it will do to them without it being a matter of public safety. If this was truly about public safety, they'd make boys take it too, since they spread it, and they can be hurt from this. It's not though.

We know Perry got 6k from Merck. I wonder if they're bribing other politicians with campaign contributions? I can't think of any other reason to push this one, unless the liberals have started praising Perry and urging their own politicians.


33 posted on 02/09/2007 1:03:28 PM PST by Nevernow (No one has the right to choose to do what is wrong.)
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To: Politicalmom

Very astute! I did not realize that, in my haste to note that this is evidently a nationwide effort now.


34 posted on 02/09/2007 1:07:02 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Nevernow

Amen!


35 posted on 02/09/2007 1:08:19 PM PST by keepitreal
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To: keepitreal

I will add that info to my emails...


36 posted on 02/09/2007 1:09:49 PM PST by WV Mountain Mama (I'm shocked the gov't hasn't found an average consumption equation to tax breast milk.)
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To: Nevernow; keepitreal

My understanding was that only three other states have approached. The VA governor turned them down. They paid another $3600 in campaign support but I don't know to whom. I don't know if WV was one of the other 2 states said to have been approached.


37 posted on 02/09/2007 1:10:15 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: USMCWife6869
Other vaccines are for diseases that are far, far more easily spread than HPV.

There are lots of diseases out there. But precious few of them have infected 80% of the female population of the United States by their 50th birthday. I don't think your argument holds water.

As for the sex-part, do you really expect that your daughter will never, in her life, have sex? If she does, the odds are good that she will get HPV if she isn't vaccinated. Abstinence isn't enough -- you have to teach your daughter lifetime abstinence if you want to significantly reduce her risk of HPV. That may work for your family, but there aren't enough spaces in the convents of the United States to handle a massive influx of new nuns.

38 posted on 02/09/2007 1:12:44 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Froufrou

...I'm about to look up which companies make the medications I take.

If Merck makes them, I'm going to talk to my doctor about alternatives.

If they're willing to risk the lives and healths of possibly millions of girls in order to make money, they're not getting mine.


39 posted on 02/09/2007 1:13:34 PM PST by Nevernow (No one has the right to choose to do what is wrong.)
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To: Nevernow
If they're going to force a vaccine on kids, why not the flu vaccine?

Because in clinical trials, not a single serious adverse reaction has been linked to Gardasil. On the other hand, several people die each year from adverse reactions to the flu vaccine. Moreover, Gardasil confers long term (and most likely lifetime) immunity. The flu vaccine has to be re-administered, at great effort and at great expense, annually.

40 posted on 02/09/2007 1:15:20 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Nevernow

And these are the ones who have some 'affordable' med program for seniors, I think. I respect your decision, as I'm sure will your doctor. Talk with your pharmacist, too.


41 posted on 02/09/2007 1:20:15 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou
I know here in Colorado it is being sent through the legislature (with an opt-out)

http://www.coloradoconfidential.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1386

Tit for tat: The state mandates merck's drug and then gets lower-priced drugs for the state's low income (less that 3 times federal poverty level). The governor looks like a hero and companies like Merck get rich.
42 posted on 02/09/2007 1:20:46 PM PST by keepitreal
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To: Alter Kaker

No, I don't expect her to. And if she wants to get the vaccine herself, or if my younger (much) daughters and I feel they need it at some point, then yes, I will discuss it with them. My point is that the government shouldn't be mandating a vaccine for a virus like this. It isn't the government's job to do this or to make these decisions for my kids. It is mine. I can't expect perfection for my daughters, but I can expect, as an American that prefers smaller government, that these choices will be ours to make as a family as opposed to it being a mandatory thing that takes away from my ability to discuss the consequences of thoughtless action. If they decide they will not be abstinent, it is still a decision between me and my girls, not my girls and Merck.


43 posted on 02/09/2007 1:21:06 PM PST by USMCWife6869
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To: Froufrou
Froufrou,

There are two groups of people on FR who are objecting to Gardasil. The first are the folks who -- like yourself -- apparently object to all vaccines. I have nothing to say to you and them (and yes I'm a father and grandfather) other than the benefit conferred by vaccines over the last 150 years has been truly incalculable. Thanks to vaccinations, we no longer have to worry about yellow fever, or small pox or tuberculosis or polio or any of a number of diseases that maimed, crippled and killed our ancestors. Vaccinations have increased the quality of life in the developed world more than any other development in the history of human civilization.

The second group of folks have concerns specific to Gardasil. It's to that second group (that comprises the majority here, I believe) that I was speaking. I think their concerns are either ill-informed or based heavily on prudery regarding any sexually transmitted disease.

44 posted on 02/09/2007 1:23:01 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker
Because in clinical trials, not a single serious adverse reaction has been linked to Gardasil. On the other hand, several people die each year from adverse reactions to the flu vaccine.

----

Was death one of the adverse reactions in the clinical trials of the flu vaccine? Or was it an adverse reaction discovered after the fact?
45 posted on 02/09/2007 1:23:47 PM PST by keepitreal
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To: keepitreal; Nevernow

Why is it when we're on to them we have to fight for our rights? I was amazed at how many kids had reactions out of the 19,000 entries on the petition.

To think my own parents just up and did it based on what they were told. Polio was scary business, but the other ones?


46 posted on 02/09/2007 1:24:28 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou
My understanding was that only three other states have approached.

I've seen where it's 12 to 20 states now.

I'll do some digging & see if I can come up with the articles.

47 posted on 02/09/2007 1:30:05 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am not an administrative, public, corporate or legal 'person'.....and neither are my children!)
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To: Alter Kaker

There's no proof it's a lifetime immunity, considering there have been no studies past 5 years. On minors, there was no study that went past 18 months. On girls 9-11...there was no study done.

The precancer HPV can be caught with a pap smear.

Are you suggesting we FORCE girls (who as I said, are at an age where there was no clinical test done, so saying there were no adverse reactions is pretty accurate) to take a vaccine that has been proven to be dangerous to some individuals when the problem it's supposed to be preventing can be caught with a routine pap smear? There's no opt-out in West Virginia.

This doesn't protect against all HPV, either, so that figure you have (which is based off a study done in the 80s) wouldn't change very much. Women can still get the other strains.

There are two girls who may have developed a serious and sometimes deadly syndrome from this vaccine.

If people want the vaccine, they should take it. If not, they shouldn't be forced to take it.


48 posted on 02/09/2007 1:30:10 PM PST by Nevernow (No one has the right to choose to do what is wrong.)
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To: Alter Kaker

I respect your opinion but disagree that prudery is the basis for objection. I'd say there's another class, the group who says if it's good for the gander it's good for the goose.

My initial objections [Monday's first post] were that the data are insufficient for a condition which is not epidemic.

Later in the week, as I received a FReepmail from someone with a bad experience and I had time to research and visit nvic.org, I realized that there have been many people who have had adverse reactions to vaccines.

Do I think that means they were all too soon on the market? I don't know. I was lucky. I do think my parents would be horrified if they were alive to see what I have this week. The would probably think that's what killed my sister, who died in infancy.


49 posted on 02/09/2007 1:31:21 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Alter Kaker

Give it to your family but don't mandate it on mine. Our family is capable of making our own decisions after our own research. We will also discuss our decisions and findings with our pediatrician. This needs to have an opt in or opt out clause. As it stands now, it doesn't. As I stated earlier of the 150,000,000 women in this country and if I trust your 80% figure that carry the HPV virus, how many actually die from the cancer? Or are we trying to save people from themselves because they don't go to a doctor regularly to have a routine test that under most insurance plans is covered 100%.

More people die each year from obesity related illnesses, look around WV, they are everywhere. Yet all you can eat buffets are going unregulated!!!


50 posted on 02/09/2007 1:34:43 PM PST by WV Mountain Mama (I'm shocked the gov't hasn't found an average consumption equation to tax breast milk.)
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